posted July 10, 2014 06:54 PM            

Is there any single hat basically screams depression? Whether it lies in the natal or happens as a transit.

Is it possible for a trait, to be shown in a chart through one single aspect?

As far as I know, usually things have to be confirmed in a chart through similar aspects (that therefore indicate a single trait)

The main things I would think would cause depression would be something like Moon/Saturn and Moon/Pluto aspects, or water placements, maybe even earth, I'm not sure.

However, I have none of those. No clear indicative. Mostly fire and some air, hardly any earth and no water. So I'm kind of lost as to how to tackle the problem when I'm not exactly sure what causes it, as I have no aspect/placement to blame it on.

I do know that it may more likely be a natal issue since there's a 2 year pattern (2 years on, 1 year off).

posted July 10, 2014 07:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Nicole401:
I've been meaning to ask this for a while, because I have this god awful tendency towards depression.

Is there any single hat basically screams depression? Whether it lies in the natal or happens as a transit.

Is it possible for a trait, to be shown in a chart through one single aspect?

As far as I know, usually things have to be confirmed in a chart through similar aspects (that therefore indicate a single trait)

The main things I would think would cause depression would be something like Moon/Saturn and Moon/Pluto aspects, or water placements, maybe even earth, I'm not sure.

However, I have none of those. No clear indicative. Mostly fire and some air, hardly any earth and no water. So I'm kind of lost as to how to tackle the problem when I'm not exactly sure what causes it, as I have no aspect/placement to blame it on.

I do know that it may more likely be a natal issue since there's a 2 year pattern (2 years on, 1 year off).

Any thoughts???

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There is many factors that could be taken in consideration. One is the basic aspects… afflictions to saturn from personal planets, like sun and moon. 5th house ruler is saturn or saturn sits in 5th house and is afflicted, or intercepted. (A sign trapped between two other signs, with nothing in it, neither any houses)

posted July 10, 2014 07:12 PM            

I would like to warn you, however, that "finding a placement to blame it on" will not actually help you with your depressive tendencies. I worry that if you think a single astrological placement is causing you to feel depressed, you will use it as a crutch to avoid getting help.

Personally, I don't believe in using astrology to diagnose or explain mental health disorders. Speaking from experience, it's not helpful. Depression is caused by environmental factors and/or genetic factors. If you're struggling with depression, therapy, lifestyle changes, and possible medical intervention are your best treatment options.

posted July 10, 2014 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
afflictions to saturn from personal planets, like sun and moon.

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None. Saturn has no "bad" aspects at all. No afflictions whatsoever.

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5th house ruler is Saturn or Saturn sits in 5th house and is afflicted, or intercepted.

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5th house ruler is Mercury, not Saturn, but its semisextile Saturn. Saturn sits in the 11th house.

posted July 10, 2014 07:25 PM            

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Originally posted by callarosa:

I would like to warn you, however, that "finding a placement to blame it on" will not actually help you with your depressive tendencies. I worry that if you think a single astrological placement is causing you to feel depressed, you will use it as a crutch to avoid getting help.

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posted July 10, 2014 07:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Nicole401:
Oh no, I know that. I just don't know where the problem lies. I feel that if I know where it's coming from, I could do something to fix it - change it. I've been in and out of depression since I was a child. I usually let time do its thing but I feel it coming again and I really feel responsible, I feel the need to do something about it and fix it, fix myself, prevent it from happening again.

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Astrology won't help you fix it. If your depression comes in waves, you need to look at your life and determine if there is a trigger that causes your depression. A therapist can help you with that. I also find journalling helpful for determining depression triggers. Some possible causes could be high stress, or an event, situation, or person, ect. that trigger a negative memory and/or emotional response. Once you determine what triggers your depression, you can begin to treat it. Again, therapy is your best treatment option, and you may find books related to emotional healing to be helpful.

It could also be that your depression is genetic or related to a hormonal imbalance, particularly if it comes in waves. Lifestyle and dietary changes can be helpful in lessening the effects of hormonal depression. Regular exercise, for instance, has been shown to reduce mild depression, because it boosts your body's production of serotonin. If your depression is moderate to severe and is impacting your life negatively, you should speak to your doctor to see what their treatment recommendations are. Cognitive behavioural therapy, as I mentioned before, can also be helpful for genetic depression, because it teaches you how to manage your disorder when you feel a depressive episode coming on.

posted July 10, 2014 09:09 PM            

For logical purpose, to answer your question;

-Mercury-Saturn, even more positive aspects, can be big indicators for deeper thinking minds that can take a darker turn when things become difficult.

-Mercury-Mars can lead to mania, a manic temper, or logic lost in the heat of the moment that leads to serious issues...all stemming usually from depression, since anger is the best coverup for sadness and emptiness.

-Afflicted ruler of the 3rd [since Mercury, planet of the mind, is associated with the 3rd house] from planets like Uranus, Pluto and Saturn can point to mental health afflictions, not all necessarily depression.

-Saturn-Venus hard contacts and Moon-Saturn hard contacts can lead to a sense of loneliness, feeling undeserving of love, not nurtured enough by the environment. Moon-Pluto may also lead to these feelings. Family environment can trigger later issues in romantic affairs (and life generally) that lead to a sense of depression about personal shortcomings that may not even totally exist.

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posted July 11, 2014 01:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Nicole401:
Oh no, I know that. I just don't know where the problem lies. I feel that if I know where it's coming from, I could do something to fix it - change it. I've been in and out of depression since I was a child. I usually let time do its thing but I feel it coming again and I really feel responsible, I feel the need to do something about it and fix it, fix myself, prevent it from happening again.

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Some astrological placement can actually also tell about the past, like saturn placement does… maybe also ceres. Afflictions to saturn points to problem in the childhood with the father, the moon afflictions tell about problems with the mother (or other women).
Chiron conjunction ascendant points to a person being bullied… and an afflicted moon is really a cause of some issues in the childhood that need to be fixed later…

But if you have no afflicted planets or no bad placements, then I don't thin your depression can be explained astrological, then it might be something else

posted July 11, 2014 02:04 PM            

But there is a difference between chronic depression and the depression that one feels when something is "lost", "stolen" or broken.

The former usually has the outer planets,nataly,forming harsh aspects with the personal planets AC,IC/MC,Sun,Moon and Mercury.

The latter is usually because of a "shift" in security or a feeling that things are not going in a certain direction.

This depression is offset by inter-personal planets starting the momentum and the outer planets keeping it going.

Again,I would look at aspects to Asc,IC/MC, Sun,Moon,Mercury.

posted July 13, 2014 09:52 PM            

But no unfortunately I don't really have afflictions of any kind OTHER than my Mercury, which is heavily afflicted. My Moon is parallel Uranus though .. not sure if that's a good thing or not, but it's led me to theorize if I'm bipolar.

Here's my chart for those wanting to take a look!

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posted July 14, 2014 12:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
On a quick look, I don't see the depression BUT I see a true water void and this may make it hard for you to feel out emotions. Do you feel that?

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Most of the time I'm not exactly sure what I'm feeling, so I may just try and shut all my feelings out instead. I also have a lot of mood swings, sometimes I'll very literally be very angry one second, then happy the next, though that may be due to my Moon being parallel Uranus.

posted July 14, 2014 07:47 AM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Nicole: Aren't you extremely young? You must be under 18 years old with that sag pluto???

It's good that you are aware of it so early, but maybe you should also begin to think about how young you are, and you have so many years to live in…. I'm 24 and 18-year old people seem very young to me, though I know how it felt when I was the same age….

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I have a son in his 20's

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posted July 14, 2014 07:48 AM            

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posted July 14, 2014 11:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Nicole401:
Ahhhh Sorry I took so long to reply lol, I've been on a trip for most of the weekend.

But no unfortunately I don't really have afflictions of any kind OTHER than my Mercury, which is heavily afflicted. My Moon is parallel Uranus though .. not sure if that's a good thing or not, but it's led me to theorize if I'm bipolar.

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The ruler of the Asc is Mercury and Mercury sits in the 12th house: Difficulty in expressing one's thoughts and often thoughts are muddled between perception and what is experienced.

Also, Neptune squares Mercury; also adding on to the Mercury in 12th house tendency of thinking in muddled thoughts.

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posted July 14, 2014 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Nicole: Aren't you extremely young? You must be under 18 years old with that sag pluto???

It's good that you are aware of it so early, but maybe you should also begin to think about how young you are, and you have so many years to live in…. I'm 24 and 18-year old people seem very young to me, though I know how it felt when I was the same age….

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I'm 18, LOL, but I get where you're coming from. I joined here (and started learning more about astrology) when I was about 13/14, so I was extremely young, I would say by now I'm definitely a whole lot more wiser and more aware than my generation, in general.

posted July 14, 2014 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Put up the orbs for deprez, Nicole dear. The other asteroid I find with big mood swings is Maniac.

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Here's the chart with both asteroids