Lindaland
  Astrology 2.0
  9th Harmonic to Draconic Chart Aspects

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq

UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   9th Harmonic to Draconic Chart Aspects
amelia28
Moderator

Posts: 3444
From: AC conjunct Jupiter-Uranus
Registered: Aug 2011

posted July 12, 2014 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 9th Harmonic Chart
And Use of Additional Harmonic Charts
Moses Siregar III--copyright 2001-2002

I believe the most important harmonic chart to use is the 9th harmonic, and I want to stress this before I go on to talk about any other harmonic charts.

If you don't know what the harmonic charts are, i'll explain a little about them. Harmonic charts take a birth chart, and by slicing each degree up into a certain number of parts (based on the harmonic number), mix up the planets and angles in the chart. It's a little bit like throwing a deck of cards on the floor, mixing them up, and then picking them up again so that almost everything changes places. For example, Pluto might be found in a sign it hasn't transited for more than 300 years.

Now I'll explain how the 9th harmonic chart is determined. It is very complicated, so I do not recommend reading this paragraph unless you must know how the calculations are done. For each sign, the first ninth of that sign is made to equal the 30 degrees of the cardinal sign of that element. So the first ninth (three degrees and twenty minutes) of Aries, Leo, and Sag, represents the thirty degrees of Aries. Then the next ninth is Taurus, etc. etc. The first ninth of Gemini, Libra, or Aquarius, represents the first thirty degrees of Libra. So a planet in the first three degrees and twenty minutes of Aquarius, would be in Libra in the 9th harmonic chart. A planet in the second ninth (between 3.20 and 6.40) of Aquarius would be in Scorpio in the 9th harmonic chart. In this way, all of pieces of the chart are redistributed. Other harmonics have different rules, but the above is the method for determining the 9th harmonic.

I certainly have to give the credit to Vedic astrology for bringing the importance of the 9th harmonic to our attention; in jyotish the name of the 9th harmonic is the navamsa (pronounced: nuh vahm shuh) chart, and from what I understand, practically no jyotishi will analyze a chart without studying the 9th harmonic chart. I think it would greatly benefit those using western astrology to also consider the 9th harmonic of each chart.

The 9th harmonic chart is more subtle in nature than the birth chart. You might say it is the 'soul' of the person where the birth chart is the 'body.' The realities of the birth chart are much more concrete. The 9th harmonic is ephemeral, but can be very revealing. The number 9 in numerology is a spiritual number, and likewise, the 9th harmonic is of a subtle nature. Major features of the 9th harmonic will show you very important dimensions of a person which might not be so apparent from the birth chart. Sometimes aspects of a person that seem somewhat missing in their birth chart will show up very clearly in the 9th harmonic.

In India, a common sentiment about the 9th harmonic is that it shows the 'fruit' of the life, whereas the birth chart shows the 'tree.' Similarly, it is sometime said to show the second half of life, or at least, the condition of each of the planets as the person goes on in life. For example, someone's Sun might be very weak in the birth chart, but if it is strong in the navamsa chart, then the person's Solar qualities will strengthen throughout his or her life.

We might say that the 9th harmonic shows the latter part of life, because as one goes on in life, one is living more from their inner nature (9th harmonic), rather than the conditioned elements of their early and physical life (birth chart). It may be that the 9th harmonic is more evident as one goes on in life, because as we get older, we are less influenced by the conditioning of our early lives, and therefore more true to our inner, or soul, nature. But mainly, i would say that the 9th harmonic is like an etheric snapshot of the inner self.

In the 9th harmonic, i recommend looking for the basics, like a planet's sign, house placement, and aspects. By looking, at least briefly, at the 9th harmonic chart, you will likely see elements that confirm certain parts of the birth chart. This will give you more certainty in those aspects of the person. You may also see some major themes that were not so obvious in the birth chart. This may complicate things a bit, but it will allow you to see and understand the whole person better. I always look at someone's 9th harmonic western (and vedic) chart before doing a consultation with them.

How to Produce a Free 9th Harmonic Chart

To run off a copy of your 9th harmonic chart, if you do not have the software to do it, go to www.astro.com. After you enter your chart data, go to the 'Extended Chart Selection.' Under 'Please select the type of chart you want,' choose "Harmonic Chart (day -> harmonic number)." Then under 'start date for charts marked with' just enter '9' for the day's date (to give you the 9th harmonic). Then view the chart. You can look at the chart by finding the degree of the ASC, and drawing equal houses all the way around. Or--and this is better if the birth time isn't totally precise--draw whole-sign houses, where the sign that contains the ASC becomes the entire first house, and so on from there.

Know that the ASC changes very quickly in the 9th harmonic. Generally speaking, the 9th harmonic ASC will move 9 times faster than the regular ASC. On average, the ASC will change every 13 minutes. So you can see that the accuracy of the birth time is very important if you want an accurate 9th harmonic chart. If you have a rough birth time, it might be best to use a 9th harmonic solar chart, rather than an ASC chart, so you do risk interpreting a radically inaccurate chart.

Transits to the 9th Harmonic

I have seen that transits to the 9th harmonic have some validity, but in a subtle way, similar to the nature of the entire chart. To keep things simple, I might recommend just looking only at transiting conjunctions to the 9th harmonic chart. I also mainly recommend these transits only to clarify the nature of other major methods, such as standard transits and progressions (or dasas). To give credit, I believe it was astrologer Mumin Bey who first gave me the idea to look at this.

So what you might do is this: if a major event already shows up in regular transits or progressions (or dasa periods if you use vedic astrology), check what kind of transiting conjunctions are happening in the 9th harmonic chart--activity there might clarify things. I'll give you some personal examples.

When I had my second pass of my Jupiter return, I also had my 'Chiron return' in my 9th harmonic. This was when I started Grace Flower Essences. When I had my natal Chiron opposition, I also had my 'Pluto return' (never heard of that one, huh!?) in my 9th harmonic. I had a very painful separation in a relationship that stirred up old stuff. About a year later, I had transitting Pluto and Uranus quincunx my natal Moon. At the same time, I had my second pass of my 'Pluto return' in my 9th harmonic. This coincided with one of the most intense experiences of my life, another painful relationship separation that brought old stuff to the surface. At one point in 2001, I started a much stronger dasa period than I had previously been in. At the same time, Jupiter conjoined the Uranus in my 9th harmonic chart. I had a very positive experience in an online forum. Later that year, I started a weaker subperiod of that vedic dasa. At the same time, Saturn conjoined the Uranus in my 9th harmonic chart. I had a very negative experience in an online forum.

Here's what I would recommend:

1. Consider only transiting conjunctions to the 9th harmonic.
2. Do not consider the transited planet as a house lord; only consider it as in the sign that it is in.
3. Do not give too much weight to a 9th harmonic transit unless there are other similar factors from regular transits, progressions, dasa's, etc. 9th harmonic transits usually work--perhaps 80% of the time--but sometimes will not.
4. When 9th harmonic transits do work, they are sometimes very clear, and sometimes subtle in their process of manifestation.
5. If the birthtime is completely accurate--to the minute--then, using equal house system based on the 9th harmonic ASC, transits through the houses can be considered.
6. The timing of transits to the 9th harmonic may not be perfectly precise, although often they do seem to be.

Unless you have done a fair amount of research into this, it might be better to just look into these transits for your own chart, or those close to you, rather than with clients (if you do astrology professionally). To really understand these transits, I should also spent much more time studying them, but I feel good about the guidelines I've listed above. If you find anything in your own research into this, please email me and let me know.

Using Other Harmonics Beside the 9th

I do have some leads into what some of the other harmonic charts might show. But for now, I'm not going to suggest this, because I want to emphasize the 9th harmonic as primary. I will offer one suggestion for how to use the other harmonics, though.

Using the harmonics is a good way to gain more insight into the nature of each individual aspect in a chart. If you wanted to gain more insight into the nature of a particular trine, you could look at the 3rd harmonic chart, and see where the two planets are conjunct. They are likely to be in the same sign and house, and this will tell you a lot more about the nature of this planetary aspect, such as how it is likely to express or direct itself. This is a list of which harmonic to look at to find each aspect as a conjunction:

Opposition: 2nd harmonic
Trine: 3rd
Square: 4th
Quintile: 5th
Sextile: 6th
Septile: 7th
Semi-square: 8th
Novile: 9th

All of the above natal aspects will show up as a conjunction in the relevant harmonic. This is well-worth looking into, and very accurate in what it reveals.

___________________________________________

I have noticed that in both draco and the 9th harmonic charts I have Moon in Capricorn, Juno in Aquarius, and Mercury in Gemini..


Further I see a lot of aspects happening between my draco and 9th harmonic:


Like my draco Sun opposes my 9H moon by less than 2 orbs.

Draco Juno conjuncts 9H Juno by exactly 3 orbs.

Draco Moon and 9H Moon conjunct widely by 8 orbs.

9H Mercury conjuncts Draco Venus EXACT and Draco Mars by one orb

Draco Jupiter/Uranus conjuncts 9H Sun by less than 3 orbs.

___________________________________________________

I am wondering two things:

1. What similarities do you see between your Draco and 9th Harmonic?

2. Do you find 9H to 9H synastry or 9H to Tropic Natal synastry to show meaningful aspects with important soulmates??

IP: Logged

Randall
Webmaster

Posts: 42581
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009

posted July 13, 2014 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting.

IP: Logged

Gabby
Moderator

Posts: 4135
From:
Registered: Sep 2012

posted July 14, 2014 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a kite in my 9th
Pluto cap@9.27
Sun taurus@10.15
MC virgo@11.28
Neptune cancer@11.16
NN cap@15.34

My Draco Pluto aqua@19.19
My Draco Neptune aries@19.31
My 9th Moon gem@17.23
My 9th Jupiter leo@15.26
My natal Draco DC leo@15.21

9th Uranus leo@12.36
9th Vertex libra@12.34
Draco Saturn saggy@11.05
Draco Merc aries@11.03
Draco Sun aries@12.45

9th Saturn aries@25.58
9th P.of Fortune libra@26.38
9th Mars gemini@25.59
Draco Jupiter leo@23.19
Draco Venus aqua@27.20
Draco Vertex leo@29.40
His 9th Uranus libra@25.30

Then poor lil Venus pisces@21.35
AC saggy@3.45 on my natal saggy stellium


Soul mates/TF
His Saturn taurus@11.00
My 9th Sun taurus@10.15
Our Valentine/Valentine conjunction exact on my 9th Pluto-
My 9th Pluto cap@9.27
His Draco Vertex virgo@10.47
My 9th IC pisces@11.28
His natal NN pisces@10.20

My 9th AC saggy@3.45
his natal Moon saggy@5.05

His 9th Sun aqua@2.31
my natal Saturn leo@2.50

His 9th Venus leo@20.00

his Draco Sun taurus@23.12
his 9th Uranus scorp@20.53
his Draco Jupiter scorp@20.21
my natal NN scorp@21.44
my 9th Venus pisces@21.35

His 9th Mars scorp@3.30
his 9th IC scorp@4.58
my natal Uranus scorp@4.44

His 9th Vertex libra@10.53
My 9th Vertex libra@12.34
My natal Pluto libra@11.02

His 9th MC virgo@16.43
my natal Moon virgo@18.32
His 9th Moon taurus@15.54
His 9th Mercury cancer@14.48

Add in my 9th NN cap@15.34, and his natal AC cap@13.45 completes a kite in his 9th MC, Moon and Mercury

His 9th Jupiter cancer@6.53 on my natal MC cancer@7.56
His 9th Saturn aries@9.02 on my natal DC aries@7.05

His 9th Pluto leo@16.05
My natal Draco DC leo@15.21
My 9th Uranus leo@15.26
My natal Jupiter aries@15.02

IP: Logged

amelia28
Moderator

Posts: 3444
From: AC conjunct Jupiter-Uranus
Registered: Aug 2011

posted July 14, 2014 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool Gabby...

My ex has a YOD, GrandCROSS, Kite and even a Mystic Rectangle if we include his NN which conjuncts my natal vertex and 9H vertex, in his 9th Harmonic chart.

His Yod has saturn/mars/moon at the apex which conjuncts my 9H Neptune and my natal psyche tightly (my 9H neptune conjuncts exact his saturn, by one orb his mars and by 4 orbs his moon and my natal psyche conjuncts exact his moon). The apex inconjuncts his pluto at 26 degrees aries which conjuncts exact our helio composite earth/moon. The apex also inconjuncts his AC at 0 degrees cancer which conjuncts exact my natal aphrodite at 0 degrees cancer. This Yod opposes 9H Chiron at 18 degrees Taurus as well as his natal chiron at 15 degrees Taurus.

Also his natal sun/uranus conjuncts the apex of his 9H YOD.

In our composite Chiron is at Taurus 24 degrees at the apex instead of opposing the apex...

IP: Logged

All times are Eastern Standard Time

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Linda-Goodman.com

Copyright 2000-2014

Powered by Infopop www.infopop.com © 2000
Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46a