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Tulip
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posted July 13, 2014 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am studying a theory I have about the difference between transits and progressions. I've been looking at transits and progressions for very important times in my past when unusual and powerful events took place. I'm doing a long-term study on this over the course of my lifetime to see if there are correlations between certain aspects and the events that take place during those times. This way I will be able to look at charts for my future and have a sense of what to expect based on what happened to me in the past during similar transits. Of course, we can never know for sure what will happen, but we can get a sense of the energies that will be in play at the time.

I've noticed that for all the major events in my life there were signs in both my transit and progressed charts which indicated what types of events actually took place during that time period. However, usually it's either the transit chart or the progressed chart for that same time period that is more descriptive of what actually took place in my life. I was hoping I would get data from this study that would tell me "Transits are more important than progressions, period," or vice versa, but so far both seem to be important.

The only difference I've noticed between the two is that transits seem to indicate things happening in my outer world, and progressions have been more descriptive of changes taking place at the inner level, in my psychology, motivation and perception of myself and the world.

Has anyone else noticed this in a study of their own charts? I'd love to hear from you whether you agree or disagree with my hypothesis.

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Wild Horses
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posted July 13, 2014 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wild Horses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for starting this thread, Tulip. I've got transit Pluto exactly opp. my Mercury right now, and I just keep itching for things to deeply sink my researching teeth into.

I can't wait to see what everyone else come up with in their charts.

I'm taking a look at some key events in my life and will check the transits and progressions at those times and post my findings.

Great thread idea!

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Wild Horses
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posted July 13, 2014 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wild Horses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, I'm just gonna cherry pick certain events, but hands down, the first MAJOR event of my life was at age 6 when my Dad died.

Transits to the Natal:

-tNN on nPluto 0°
(in 3rd house... my Dad died in a violent car crash)

-tPluto on nUranus (8th ruler) 0°

-tValentine on nPallas 0°, tPallas opp nValentine 0°
These were extremely close:
tVal Leo 0°48', nPallas Leo 0°31'
nVal Gem 5°18', tPallas Gem 5°22'

-tSun sq. nP.of Fort. 0°

-tSaturn conj. nCeres in Leo 0°

-tPluto sq tCeres 0°, both forming t-square with nChiron in 10th

tDestinn conj nVesta 0°, tVesta conj nDest 2° (also conj tPallas)

tPallas-tVesta conjunction conj. nVertex-nDest conjunction

tChiron opp tPsyche 0°, both sq nS-M midpoint

tChiron was still tranisiting my 10th house, where it sat at birth, but was now square my natal Leo Sun-Moon midpoint 1°.

So, those were the transits to the natal. Looking at them, it seems pretty clear that something was going to happen or materialize in the outside world that was going to have an overall theme of Father-Daughter, Loss, Pain, Death, and Destiny... which is what did. Seeing the 0° DW Valentine-Pallas aspects touched me deeply.

Progressed Chart:

-pChiron in 10th had moved DIRECTLY on top of pMidheaven, within 0°10' of exact.

-pP. of Fort. conj nJupiter 0°, pJupiter 1°, opp. nSun 1°, with pSun opp Jupiter 0°

-pMoon was Sag 8°27', natal Vertex Sag 8°24' in 5th house.

-pMoon was in 5th house

-pVertex was opp nSaturn 0°

-pPallas was trine pNeptune and pDestinn 0°.

With the Progressed chart, I can see the internal effect you mentioned being more prominent. My Moon being in the 5th (Leo's house) on my natal Vertex explained the emotional turning point I felt. The aspects show that my emotions and self were very focused on Fatherly things, With Sun, Jupiter, Saturn, Leo or 5th house being involved.

I think the exact trine between Neptune-Dest and Pallas showed the idealization of my Father I was feeling. I was 6 and was the quintessential "Daddy's little girl". My Father became immortalized as a hero in my heart.

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Taking both charts into account, I'd say the theory has some validity. It does seem that the Transits to the Natal showed that something was going to happen in reality and indicated what that something might be.

The Progressed chart and even the transits to the Progressed chart seemed to show more of what I was going to be experiencing internally... how the outer events were going to impact me emotionally, psychologically, etc.

I'm going to check some other events, too, and see if the results are similar.

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Tulip
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posted July 13, 2014 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wild Horses,

Thank you so much for your detailed reply and for joining me in this investigation! I'm so sorry about the death of your father, especially because it happened when you were so young. I can only imagine what a profound effect that had on you and I hope you've been able to heal (as much as is possible, given an event of that magnitude)as the years have gone by.

I'm not a professional astrologer, and am really just starting to get serious in my study, so my comment should be taken with a grain of salt, since I'm not an expert. However, in studying my own charts and those of my friends, whose personal lives I know quite well, I have been very impressed by the effects of the Vertex, Part of Fortune and North Node, and in reading over the list of aspects in your transits and in your progressed chart at the time of this event, I was struck by the placements you listed which involved those astrological points.

And I agree about the significance of the 5th house, which, of course, is often called the house of the father. And of course, Pluto on Uranus, 0 degrees, is also very significant.

I'm seeing in your transit and progressed charts for this event the same thing I noticed in looking at my charts for major life events. Both transits and progressed charts are pertinent and descriptive of what happened, but in different ways. It would be so easy if we could just say "transits are important, ignore progressions" or vice versa, but I think we need to check both to get the full picture of an event.

It's also fascinating to me that some aspects can be read as negative or positive. I'm finding it difficult to make predictions about future events based on my study of the past, because astrology only sets up potentials. I suppose that to some degree, some (but not all!)events could be read as either positive or negative depending on the person's outlook. For instance, I was downsized from a job I'd held for nearly a decade at a time when my chart indicated lots of explosive changes. But in fact getting laid off was the best thing that had happened to me in a very long time, because I got a large severance package and PTO payout, and I HATED that job and wasn't very sorry to see it go. And because I wasn't fired for cause, I got to collect unemployment while looking for my new job. So in looking at the chart you would think it would indicate an upsetting event (which getting laid off usually is) but for me it was like finally getting let out of prison and winning a small lottery prize. To some degree, interpretation of the effects of astrological aspects depends on the person's psychological outlook.

Of course, that isn't the case in tragic events like the death of your father, or the event I'll write about in my next post in this string.

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Tulip
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posted July 13, 2014 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is going to be a personal post, but in the interest of honestly evaluating this subject I want to share a very traumatic event in my life, and my transits and progressed charts for that time period.

A week after my 8th birthday, I was raped, very violently, by a friend’s father, while on a trip with his family. I was far from home and without my parents for a week after the attack, which made it all the more traumatic. I wasn’t able to verbalize what had happened to me very well when I got back, and my parents thought I just had the flu and a raging fever (which I did by then) and that was why I was so depressed. Later, when they noticed that I could barely walk for several weeks and refused to wear pants (the crotch of the pants hurt the wounded area when I walked and especially if I had to climb stairs), they assumed I had hurt my leg on the trip. Later, as a teenager, I made allegations about the attack to the authorities, but by then I had no evidence of what he had done, and he has never been charged with his crime.

My transit chart for that event, in December of 1986, was:

- Uranus and Saturn conjunct my 8th house Sun by about five degrees in either direction
- Transiting Mars and Jupiter five degrees apart on top of a close conjunction in my natal 11th house between Pholus, Fortune, Dejaneira and South Node.
- Venus transiting exactly over Uranus
- Pluto transiting exactly over Venus
- Asteroid Lucifer and South Node conjunct each other 0 degrees, and transiting 0 degrees on my natal Pluto.
- Lachesis transiting 0 degrees on my Part of Nemesis.
- Transiting Pholus conjunct Chiron in the 12th house by 3 degrees.
- Transiting Atropos 0 degrees on natal Eros in the 12th house.

My progressed chart for the same day shows:

- Transiting sun 0 degrees on natal Mars in the 8th house.
- Transiting Lilith conjunct Part of Nemesis by 3 degrees.
- Transiting Part of Nemesis (if you believe that Arabic parts can transit)0 degrees on my natal Part of Fortune.

Nothing else about the progressed chart jumps out at me as indicating a major event in the outer world. Sun progressing 0 degrees over natal Mars is a big deal, as is Lilith on Part of Nemesis, if you believe in the significance of the Arabic Parts, but when weighed against the long list of what I feel to be pertinent transits, these charts also seem to support my original theory that transits often do more to describe events in the outer world than progressions, and progressions are often more descriptive internal changes the person will go through at the time. However, I think we need to do a lot more study in order to come to a solid conclusion.

I hope you (and others!) will post more evaluations of transit vs progressed charts for major life events, whether tragic or happy.

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Wild Horses
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posted July 14, 2014 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wild Horses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, Tulip. I'm so, so sorry about what happened to you at such a young, tender age. My heart just broke when I read what you endured.

I know they say time heals all wounds, but sometimes... that really does seem like such an empty, insufficient platitude.

Some of the transits that were happening at that time are just chilling.

"-Asteroid Lucifer and South Node conjunct each other 0 degrees, and transiting 0 degrees on my natal Pluto."
being visited by evil, which would feel like a death to you, and transform you forever.

"-Lachesis transiting 0 degrees on my Part of Nemesis."
I know the meaning of Lachesis with fate, but outside of mythology, another meaning I found was this... "Lachesis is a genus of pit vipers sometimes called bushmasters. It includes the largest venomous snake in the Western Hemisphere." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lachesis_(mythology)

"-Transiting Pholus conjunct Chiron in the 12th house by 3 degrees."
the sudden occurrence of such a deep wound

"-Transiting Atropos 0 degrees on natal Eros in the 12th house."
the permanent irreversible transformation brought to your sense of Eros.

These are all heartbreaking transits indicating a heartbreaking moment.

...I'm still going over the data on other events I'm looking at and will post it soon.

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Tulip
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posted July 14, 2014 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree on all counts, Wild Horses. Thank you for your compassion and your interpretation of the transits.

I was pretty shocked when I first checked my chart for that date. I had expected to see a few harsh aspects, but wasn't prepared to see so many. I don't think there was a single harmonious transit in my chart that day.

Now when people say astrology isn't real I feel justified in disagreeing with them. However, I don't think people should hide under their beds if they look ahead and see a time period with many tough transits. I've had other periods in my life when a lot of hard aspects were active at the same time, and things did get shaken up in my life, but as I said in an earlier post, sometimes things need to be changed and squares and oppositions can be constructive. But as we've seen in our own lives, it pays to be extra careful during those times and not take any unnecessary risks.

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harleyniall1998
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posted July 15, 2014 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for harleyniall1998     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I coulndn't agree more on your theory. I have strong moon,in aquarius,conjunct jupiter 1st house,i also have a stellium 1st house including mars,venus,uranus,neptune 12th house. Therefore,after 2,5 years,which means a moon progression cycle,i always seem to become a totally different person,manifesting just like the sign my moons progresses to,which is a great problem to me. When my progress moon moved to 8th house,it was the time of 8th class,i had a hudge problem with my teacher,no one was on my side,i was lonely,bla bla. I hope you get the point. The transit i have experience are quiet in tune with real events. For example,i just lost my ipad and phone at my grandmother house and figured it out at exacly the time my moon transit square pluto.

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Selene
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posted July 15, 2014 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When i got my current job, it was as if it was my destiny to have it, because i had transit Jupiter conjunct my MC and progressed Moon conjunct my MC.

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posted July 15, 2014 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brilliant!

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posted July 15, 2014 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great observation and Thread!

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posted July 15, 2014 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My progressed Venus is coming up on my natal Sun!

Tr. Uranus is on my natal Jupiter trining my progressed MC
Can't wait to see what this brings!

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Wild Horses
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posted July 15, 2014 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wild Horses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
My progressed Venus is coming up on my natal Sun!

Tr. Uranus is on my natal Jupiter trining my progressed MC
Can't wait to see what this brings!


Gabby, that's so cool that you have that transit coming up because I do, too.

Right now, Progressed Venus is @ Gem 25°36'.
Natal Venus is Gem 25°57'
Natal Sun is Gem 27°21'


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posted July 19, 2014 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is wonderful news! I hope you both post here about your experiences during that progression. It's so interesting to hear what actually happens in real people's lives during these progressions and transits, vs what astrologers say happens during those times. And I'm not criticizing astrologers at all--but it really helps to hear about the actual events in real people's lives, vs a generalized statement about what these transits and progressions are supposed to signify.
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Originally posted by Gabby:
My progressed Venus is coming up on my natal Sun!

Tr. Uranus is on my natal Jupiter trining my progressed MC
Can't wait to see what this brings!


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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
Gabby, that's so cool that you have that transit coming up because I do, too.

Right now, Progressed Venus is @ Gem 25°36'.
Natal Venus is Gem 25°57'
Natal Sun is Gem 27°21'



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posted July 19, 2014 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since I've already posted here about a traumatic event and the transits and progressions related to it, I wanted to post about a more beneficial event and the transits/progressions that were in progress at that time. And I really hope that you'll post about your life events and corresponding transits/progressions as well! I'd love to hear about them!

This isn't going to seem positive at first, but stay with me. When I was eleven, after my very troubled early childhood, everything in my life, family, status on the school playground etc was very much down in the sewer, and I was just stumbling through life like a zombie, trying to get through each day. People are much more aware of the dangers facing children these days and able to see the signs and give them help, but in those days the grown ups around me were clueless and didn't offer help.

I was seriously considering suicide, because it didn't seem logical to keep suffering through a whole life like that. And I was sitting alone on the playground considering how to kill myself and all of the things I would need to do to get my affairs in order, and all of a sudden it was like a very bright white light flashed in my eyes and someone shouted in my ear. I have never ever heard "voices" before then or since, but it really was like someone shouted in my ear, and the message was something like "You haven't even tried to change your life for the better. If you kill yourself you'll never know just how good you could make your life if you would just try to change things. At least throw yourself wholeheartedly into improving everything as much as possible, for a whole year, and if it doesn't work and still looks impossible to change things, then you can leave this life, but it would be foolish to give up without even trying. It might be possible to change everything. You won't know unless you try."

All of this was much too adult and wise and sensible to come from my 11 year old mind at that time. It really was like my older wiser self, or a guardian angel or whatever you want to call it grabbed me by the shoulders and shouted in my ear. And from that moment on, I couldn't un-see what I had just seen. I suddenly saw that I had been waiting for an adult or someone to see that I was suffering and help me, but I hadn't taken the actions that were in my power to change my own life. This makes sense because children aren't usually empowered to change their own lives, especially if they have low self esteem and life has thrown them a lot of hard knocks. But I had this revelation that it was in my power to change things for myself without waiting for someone to do it for me.

And from that day onward I went on a diet and started exercising(I was chubby at the time), started babysitting to earn money so I could buy nicer clothes for myself (kids teased me because my parents only bought me awful third-hand clothes that were way out of fashion, and I grew up in a wealthy and fashionable area) and I started reading every self-help and positive psychology book I could get my hands on, which I still do.

That was really the moment when I was "reborn" as my current self. The person I was before then was separate from my current identity, so for me, that time in my life is like a second birthdate.

The interesting thing about this event, for me, is that my transits at the time do conflict with my theory that transits signify events happening to us in the outer world and progressions do more to indicate inner changes. This is because this event in my life was entirely an internal change, not to do with something happening in the outer world—unless you really do believe that sentient spirits or angel guides make contact with us, in which case these transits would indicate an outer force in the world bringing something to me, without my conscious volition, and not an internal psychological change caused by my own evolving sense of self.

My transits at this time were:

Sun transiting exact on a conjunction in my natal 11th house between Pholus, Fortune, South Node and Atropos.

Jupiter, Mars, asteroid Angel and Pholus all transiting through the 1st house, over my natal Part of Necessity.

Venus on Vesta, Mars and Saturn on Hygeia.

Moon transiting over Chiron in the 12th house, exact

White Moon Selena (the so-called angel guide) transiting through the 12th house, opposed to natal Venus (I suppose this could indicate the helpful advice I received about how I could improve my looks/self esteem through diet and buying better clothes)

Juno exact on my Part of Spirit, which is conjunct my descendant.(I sometimes wonder if Juno doesn’t just signify marriage to another, but also commitment to a cause or endeavor. I definitely “married” a lifelong study of psychology and self-betterment on that day, and am still committed to it in the present day.)

Pluto on Uranus exact

Lilith on Venus exact

Uranus on Pallas

South node on Part of Nemesis in my natal 4th house

Jupiter on Moon in my natal 2nd house (of self esteem, values)

Progressed DNA conjunct natal Pluto by 3 degrees (not sure if it matters from that distance)

Moon transiting exact on Moira in my 5th house (not sure if that signifies anything to do with what I experienced)

Klotho transiting exact on my natal Saturn in the 5th house

North Node transiting exactly on a conjunction in my 10th house between Lucifer, Juno, Atropos and my natal Part of Victory.

MY PROGRESSIONS AT THE TIME WERE:

Moon conjunct Tyche/Vertex by 2 degrees in my 6th house

White Moon Selena (the so-called "angel guide") opposed to my ascendant, interestingly enough, though maybe that makes sense because I felt a powerful, almost violent need to change my identity drastically

Chiron in the 12th house of psychology/psychic ability/spirit guides opposed to my Tyche/Vertex/Moon conjunction in the 6th house

Mercury opposed to ascendant

Venus Uranus exactly conjunct in my 6th house in Scorpio

Lilith and Jupiter exactly conjunct in my 3rd house

Pholus/Fortune/South Node conjunct by about 2 degrees each in my 11th house

Sun conjunct Facies and my Part of Nemesis by about 2 degrees each in my 8th house (which I read as being indicative of potentially being murdered or committing suicide)

Nothing else particularly leaps out at me about my progressions. My progressions do indicate my mental state at that time, which was dark and conflicted. Unless I'm interpreting them incorrectly, I don't think they indicate anything about the very positive spiritual/psychological revelation which took place (except maybe moon conjunct Tyche/Vertex). My transits seem to me to be more indicative of what took place in my life at the time, so either my theory is wrong, or there really are spirit guides which are separate from our own consciousness and which send us messages. I have no scientific proof that either possibility is true, so I maintain an open mind on this point.

Again, if you would like to share your experiences and the transits and progressions that were in progress at the time, I really would love to hear about them. It's very helpful to hear about actual events in people's lives and the aspects in play at the time, to see if astrology has any valid meaning.

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posted July 19, 2014 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup, it's predictive astrology. You can also look at solar arcs like you do secondary progressions (there's another way but it's more complicated). I don't know if you look at those already. If you dont you would take any planet/body and see what age you were when it moved to hard aspect another point in the chart. Solar arc bodies are in blue. Combine the energy and see if it reflected a major going on in your life.

For example me, solar arc Mars conjunct natal Jupiter in the 4th, I moved out of state for the first time. Felt the need to cover much more ground, and transit wise at the time, Jupiter was Rx over the Asc, trine natal Uranus.

Use very tight orbs with arcs, less than a degree. If you have a natal hard aspect that's very tight, look to see when it moves around the chart to include a natal body in its alignment. Again combine and see if that reflects an external event. The more bodies working together the more complex the event will be.

And the Sun is the only body that stays the same as secondary progressed because you're using its arc. The solar arc Mc also stays close to the secondary progressed Mc, but it's not exactly the same but will still be conjunct.

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posted July 26, 2014 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Lonake! That's a good tip.

Does anyone have experience with transits or progressions relating to meeting the love of your life in an unusual way that felt "fated" or winning a prize or avoiding death or an accident in a way that was unusually lucky? I'd love to hear about any major events in people's lives that corresponded to the transits or progressions in progress at the time. Please feel free to post your experiences!

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