posted July 17, 2014 02:01 PM            

To start, traditionally the planets like Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto are called the 'malefic' planets in astrology because when they touch our personal planets in the conjunction and hard aspects [like the square] they can really pack a punch - often one that requires us to rise and fight back against our demons, negative outer forces, etc.

If you have Mars, for example, sextile Sun, square Pluto, quincunx Saturn, and opposite Uranus, all with orbs under 8 degrees [1-3 will make it even more prominent], your Mars is afflicted. Despite the sextile to the Sun, there are 3 harsh aspects overwhelming it, making it afflicted. It's worse if Mars is in a weak/problematic sign for this planet's function (Cancer is challenging for Mars; you'll also find difficulties with Libra, Taurus, and potentially the other 2 Air signs). We can apply these rules to all of the other planets as well.

posted July 17, 2014 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Can we see a picture of your chart? I can try to help out and take a look.

To start, traditionally the planets like Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto are called the 'malefic' planets in astrology because when they touch our personal planets in the conjunction and hard aspects [like the square] they can really pack a punch - often one that requires us to rise and fight back against our demons, negative outer forces, etc.
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So, I have Saturn in Pisces and Uranus in Virgo both square my Mercury in Gemini in the 8th. Orb <2° all around for a tight T square. Pluto in Virgo squares as well but only with a ~4° orb. By this definition, Mercury is afflicted? But its also in its own sign, conjunct exact (0°5') vertex. And in the sign and house of the sun (I am a Gemini). Afflicted or not?

posted July 17, 2014 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Can we see a picture of your chart? I can try to help out and take a look.

To start, traditionally the planets like Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto are called the 'malefic' planets in astrology because when they touch our personal planets in the conjunction and hard aspects [like the square] they can really pack a punch - often one that requires us to rise and fight back against our demons, negative outer forces, etc.

If you have Mars, for example, sextile Sun, square Pluto, quincunx Saturn, and opposite Uranus, all with orbs under 8 degrees [1-3 will make it even more prominent], your Mars is afflicted. Despite the sextile to the Sun, there are 3 harsh aspects overwhelming it, making it afflicted. It's worse if Mars is in a weak/problematic sign for this planet's function (Cancer is challenging for Mars; you'll also find difficulties with Libra, Taurus, and potentially the other 2 Air signs). We can apply these rules to all of the other planets as well.

We can discuss further when you post a chart pic!

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posted July 17, 2014 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
So, I have Saturn in Pisces and Uranus in Virgo both square my Mercury in Gemini in the 8th. Orb <2° all around for a tight T square. Pluto in Virgo squares as well but only with a ~4° orb. By this definition, Mercury is afflicted? But its also in its own sign, conjunct exact (0°5') vertex. And in the sign and house of the sun (I am a Gemini). Afflicted or not?

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Mercury in Gemini is at home. Mercury rules Gemini. This will help you out. But, your Mercury is afflicted, yes... it receives harsh aspects from two major malefics. Mercury in the 8th is not an easy placement either. It often denotes the loss of a relative at an early age or a traumatic change of self, possible loss of friends too. Your Mercury is receiving tight squares from harsh outer planets in a tight T-square. 4 degrees is strong enough to be felt.

posted July 17, 2014 05:21 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Can we see a picture of your chart? I can try to help out and take a look.

To start, traditionally the planets like Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto are called the 'malefic' planets in astrology because when they touch our personal planets in the conjunction and hard aspects [like the square] they can really pack a punch - often one that requires us to rise and fight back against our demons, negative outer forces, etc.

If you have Mars, for example, sextile Sun, square Pluto, quincunx Saturn, and opposite Uranus, all with orbs under 8 degrees [1-3 will make it even more prominent], your Mars is afflicted. Despite the sextile to the Sun, there are 3 harsh aspects overwhelming it, making it afflicted. It's worse if Mars is in a weak/problematic sign for this planet's function (Cancer is challenging for Mars; you'll also find difficulties with Libra, Taurus, and potentially the other 2 Air signs). We can apply these rules to all of the other planets as well.

We can discuss further when you post a chart pic!

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posted July 17, 2014 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Mercury in Gemini is at home. Mercury rules Gemini. This will help you out. But, your Mercury is afflicted, yes... it receives harsh aspects from two major malefics. Mercury in the 8th is not an easy placement either. It often denotes the loss of a relative at an early age or a traumatic change of self, possible loss of friends too. Your Mercury is receiving tight squares from harsh outer planets in a tight T-square. 4 degrees is strong enough to be felt.

There is no release for this tension, either, since you didn't mention any 'escape chutes' through positive aspects like trines or sextiles, or a conjunction to a benefic like Jupiter. Do you have any other aspects to your Mercury?

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Best I can come up with is a 2° sextile to MC and a 6° sextile to the Moon, both in Leo

posted July 17, 2014 05:35 PM            

Side note: Saturn is also on your ASC. This is an affliction in and of itself...it will provide challenges for you in terms of being open with your self-expression. However, the upside is that you were born to be wise and mature, and hold a great intelligence throughout life. Saturn in the 29th degree is also challenging, since it wants to move on and master the lessons of the next sign...Saturn already knows Leo and its issues inside and out, and feels anxious because it cannot move on to master Virgo. Saturn in your 1st house, combined with the previously stated fact, could show some issues with anxiety over your appearance and character in general. Are you anxious, phobic, or do you have health problems, especially involving digestion and the bones? I know this is a little off-topic but I felt like bringing it up out of sympathy since I'm a Saturn-ASC person.

In the case of your Moon and Pluto, there is a square from Jupiter, the benefic: so, too much of a good thing, or a planet and its sign/nature goes into a heightened state. Although you wouldn't think at first that a Jupiter square would be bad, keep in mind Jupiter expands everything it touches. This could mean heightened intensity with emotions and an over-optimism that could cause problems with money and relationships [2nd house and Libra influence].

Your Sun is conjunct Uranus, a malefic. This could lead you to be seen as intense [Scorpio] but also erratic, unpredictable, and revolutionary in nature. More Aquarian, and the Sun is in detriment in Aquarius. So, the malefic influence here may bring issues of integrating your ego into your consciousness. You may find that at times, you are confident, and at others, you lose total confidence in yourself. You may also find that you have a strange way of going from one extreme to the other: impersonal, funny, conversationalist, offbeat [Aquarius] to private, secretive, sarcastic, and overly observant/overbearing [Scorpio]. It can greatly depend upon the company your around since the conjunction is in H3.

posted July 17, 2014 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Best I can come up with is a 2° sextile to MC and a 6° sextile to the Moon, both in Leo

The region in Sag opposite plays a role in synastry.

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posted July 17, 2014 05:40 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
So, your Mercury is somewhat afflicted: Saturn squares it tightly with a 2 dg. orb. The affliction is going to be challenging but it CAN be mastered. Unlike the other malefics, Saturn is the biggest teacher of all and you will grow from this. You may have speech problems or shyness in speech that must be mastered.

Side note: Saturn is also on your ASC. This is an affliction in and of itself...it will provide challenges for you in terms of being open with your self-expression. However, the upside is that you were born to be wise and mature, and hold a great intelligence throughout life. Saturn in the 29th degree is also challenging, since it wants to move on and master the lessons of the next sign...Saturn already knows Leo and its issues inside and out, and feels anxious because it cannot move on to master Virgo. Saturn in your 1st house, combined with the previously stated fact, could show some issues with anxiety over your appearance and character in general. Are you anxious, phobic, or do you have health problems, especially involving digestion and the bones? I know this is a little off-topic but I felt like bringing it up out of sympathy since I'm a Saturn-ASC person.

In the case of your Moon and Pluto, there is a square from Jupiter, the benefic: so, too much of a good thing, or a planet and its sign/nature goes into a heightened state. Although you wouldn't think at first that a Jupiter square would be bad, keep in mind Jupiter expands everything it touches. This could mean heightened intensity with emotions and an over-optimism that could cause problems with money and relationships [2nd house and Libra influence].

Your Sun is conjunct Uranus, a malefic. This could lead you to be seen as intense [Scorpio] but also erratic, unpredictable, and revolutionary in nature. More Aquarian, and the Sun is in detriment in Aquarius. So, the malefic influence here may bring issues of integrating your ego into your consciousness. You may find that at times, you are confident, and at others, you lose total confidence in yourself. You may also find that you have a strange way of going from one extreme to the other: impersonal, funny, conversationalist, offbeat [Aquarius] to private, secretive, sarcastic, and overly observant/overbearing [Scorpio]. It can greatly depend upon the company your around since the conjunction is in H3.

Neptune squares nothing. Neptune can be considered malefic too due to the problems it can cause. Mars is in the 12th which can point to suppressed energy levels and rage. This is similar to Mars-Neptune so it made sense to bring it up. Make sure to monitor that carefully. Mars here has outlets in the square it makes to Venus. It's a wide square, but make sure that your personal relationships don't suffer due to sudden overflows of anger.

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posted July 17, 2014 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
The 6 dg. sextile is not strong enough to be felt... even if it was exact, a sextile is not a very strong aspect. This will provide a slight relief but it's going to be harder to access. I don't mean to sound negative, I'm just very honest with readings.

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I don't consider them myself.

Some of the challenges you talk of I've lived. Growing up we moved every few years so I was constantly starting over with friends. My parents were pretty great but work scheduled made family life tough at times (father was a truck driver, mother often worked 3rd shift).

posted July 17, 2014 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
Wow--OK thanks Sweet Scorpian! So then was my original hunch right, all of my planets are afflicted except Neptune?

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I wouldn't necessarily say ALL of your planets are afflicted. Your Venus square Mars and Jupiter isn't a true 'affliction' like having Venus-Pluto and Venus-Saturn (or both!) would be. You'll just likely find some sexual and emotional excesses, which are troubling, but not as debilitating and trying on the soul as a malefic's touch to a personal planet.

posted July 17, 2014 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
I don't consider them myself.

Some of the challenges you talk of I've lived. Growing up we moved every few years so I was constantly starting over with friends. My parents were pretty great but work scheduled made family life tough at times (father was a truck driver, mother often worked 3rd shift).

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