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Selenite
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posted July 22, 2014 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Whenever I explain anything - in writing, texting, or even in speech, I tend to say/write the exact core point first, which tends to be vague out of context and confuses people, and then I have to explain everything until I get to the very first inkling of the original idea, in order for people to understand me. It's like I operate backwards.

Often, if the person I'm talking to doesn't probe what I say, they wont understand me at all and dismiss me.

When I took English classes, I was very good at poetry, but took way too much time to write essays. Even this whole question took me a lot of time because it was originally confusing.

Does anybody else do this??

--Things that could be relevant--
No air signs?
Sun conj. mercury in sag? (word vomit)

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DeepFreeze
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posted July 22, 2014 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes. Or just plain word things strangely.

Virgo mercury conjunct Mars (12) both square Gemini moon. (9)
Neptune in sag, 3rd.

Too much thinking that it clouds my thinking and communication.
Trying to figure out what are the main points. Explain why I arrived at such thought or give a back story first.
What needs to be said and what can be left out. How does it need to be said.

These are all things that simultaneously flow through my mind pretty much every time I communicate in any way, to anyone.

Last night barbie asked me what I'm thinking about. My answer, "I'm trying to figure out how I feel" Ohhhh... Gem moon.

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NeptunianSag
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posted July 22, 2014 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NeptunianSag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sag mercury square Neptune and Uranus in 3rd, I'm all over the place, vague, but I'll talk about every topic under the sun, even taboo stuff. It's super annoying though because of my vagueness people get the wrong end of the stick and think what i wrote/said was a personal attack on them when I didn't mean that at all. I don't think logic exists in my world either, I'm mostly creative and my thoughts are endless, and sometimes I don't know how to structure it. Sometimes I think I'm insane because I think so differently to everyone else.

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Barbiegirl19
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posted July 22, 2014 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do all of the time. It's the sun conjunct mercury I have it as well, is it exact too?

I read backwards, books or magazines, papers whatever it is I read it from the back first. I can't contain myself and have to get to the ending first

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Selenite
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posted July 22, 2014 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DeepFreeze:

Trying to figure out what are the main points. Explain why I arrived at such thought or give a back story first.
What needs to be said and what can be left out. How does it need to be said.

Yes!! I feel like I don't know why I'm even trying to communicate sometimes. Always trying to leave things out. So much thought has to be put or I can offend / confuse.

I don't like main points. I'll talk about anything and express myself clearly, but it won't have anything to do with the original topic/question. Lots of tangents/spin offs, I can go on and on and on and it's cool if the other people do that as well. If not, I just seem like a scatterbrain..


I also just wrote a bunch of sentences that didn't need to be written and erased them in this answer. Happens every time.

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Selenite
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posted July 22, 2014 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I do all of the time. It's the sun conjunct mercury I have it as well, is it exact too?

Yes
!!
Thank god
>

Maybe we should just say to hell with it. I have reached that point in real life but not online.

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Barbiegirl19
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posted July 22, 2014 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Selenite:
Yes
!!
Thank god
>

Maybe we should just say to hell with it. I have reached that point in real life but not online.


Hahahaha I do it here too

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DeepFreeze
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posted July 22, 2014 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Selenite:
Yes!! I feel like I don't know why I'm even trying to communicate sometimes. Always trying to leave things out. So much thought has to be put or I can offend / confuse.

I don't like main points. I'll talk about anything and express myself clearly, but it won't have anything to do with the original topic/question. Lots of tangents/spin offs, I can go on and on and on and it's cool if the other people do that as well. If not, I just seem like a scatterbrain..


I also just wrote a bunch of sentences that didn't need to be written and erased them in this answer. Happens every time.


Saaaame thing.
Sometimes I really do quit communication or simply don't even start.
Some topics here on LL I just don't even bother making a post in, though I'd like to, but I foresee the disaster ahead and tell myself, "screw it".
I erase and edit stuff nearly every post.
I get afraid of stepping on toes too because many times it's unintentional. Especially about signs. "xxxx are dull" and every person with even a minor xxxx placement has to come rushing in all offended.

So annoying.

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Selenite
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posted July 22, 2014 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Hahahaha I do it here too

I'm gladd, low-key word vomiters unite!
I always end up sounding very cold like a robot because otherwise I feel like I'm speaking in tongues


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mamawolf
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posted July 22, 2014 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mamawolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uhhhhh yeah. I even confuse myself sometimes. It sounds so great in my head but the moment I try explaining something complex, I just want to shrivel up. I'll start at a random point and people will look at me wondering what the hell is going on or the complete opposite and share every detail.

I too like writing poetry but when it comes to structured forms of writing like essays, I truly dislike it. My mercury square pluto makes me read the same lines over and over again. Would always be envious of people who could finish an essay question quickly, meanwhile I'm still on sentence 5 I like writing about things that interest me or let my imagination go while. Music and the right environment is a huge help.

The only things going on with my Mercury....

Aqua Mercury square Scorpio Pluto, semisextile Cap Neptune, conjunct MC

Cancer in 3rd House cusp

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Gemini Blues
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posted July 22, 2014 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mercury focus of t with Saturn and Uranus (conj Pluto)...

Someone: Question bla blah...
Me: A, because B and influenced by C which is affected by D and E...
Someone: yes or no?
Me: yes.
Someone: why can't you just say that?
Me: Because then you wouldn't understand...
Someone: I don't need to understand.
Me: (looks at them like they're an alien)

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Wild Horses
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posted July 23, 2014 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wild Horses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My husband does this exact thing. I remember when I first met him it threw me for a loop constantly. It took awhile to get used to the fact that it was just how he expressed his thoughts. I could see it plainly on the faces of others he spoke to that it would throw them, too. He'll do just like you said. He'll open with the dramatic point, then backtrack and explain the thoughts that led to the dramatic point. When he first starts, though, the other person looks at him with perplexion. Then, after he explains himself, they understand what he meant. Then, they say, "Well, why didn't you say that first?" Its' like he does talk backwards. I'm so used to it that it doesn't even phase me anymore. It's just the way he communicates. He's AWFUL at giving directions, though. Just AWFUL.

He has Sag Neptune in 3rd. It conjuncts his N.Node, so it's part of his life lesson. He also has Mercury conj. Uranus 3°, so I think that plays a key part, too. It's like his thoughts just want to burst out of his mind. So, sometimes he gets ahead of himself and just starts talking before he's fully formed his thought. He gets ahead of himself. That's sounds a lot like Mercury-Uranus.

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Selenite
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posted July 23, 2014 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wild Horses:
My husband does this exact thing. I remember when I first met him it threw me for a loop constantly. It took awhile to get used to the fact that it was just how he expressed his thoughts. I could see it plainly on the faces of others he spoke to that it would throw them, too. He'll do just like you said. He'll open with the dramatic point, then backtrack and explain the thoughts that led to the dramatic point. When he first starts, though, the other person looks at him with perplexion. Then, after he explains himself, they understand what he meant. Then, they say, "Well, why didn't you say that first?" Its' like he does talk backwards. I'm so used to it that it doesn't even phase me anymore. It's just the way he communicates. He's AWFUL at giving directions, though. Just AWFUL.

He has Sag Neptune in 3rd. It conjuncts his N.Node, so it's part of his life lesson. He also has Mercury conj. Uranus 3°, so I think that plays a key part, too. It's like his thoughts just want to burst out of his mind. So, sometimes he gets ahead of himself and just starts talking before he's fully formed his thought. He gets ahead of himself. That's sounds a lot like Mercury-Uranus.


Same here bout the directions.. Cannot give or take them. I can't listen to boring things to save my life. And you should see me trying to help someone parallel park. I'm standing out there like 'Yeah, just... yeah. Go more like this.. just.. like..'

But I don't have problems with intuitive people. It's when I have to spell things out that communicating doesn't work. I expect people to "feel" what I'm saying. lol feel me?

Mercury in scorpio or mercury in aqua seem to get me the best o.0 Scorpio will put the right words in my mouth and aqua will get the weird version of what i'm trying to say. Haha

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