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Topic: Activists and those that fight against injustice
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Geeky
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posted July 26, 2014 06:57 AM
  
Is this a Mars in Libra thing?Neptune (possibly making an aspect to the Ascendant)? Whatcha think?  IP: Logged |
charlie
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posted July 26, 2014 10:36 AM
I have actually never met an "activist" that was very active. Many have had strong beliefs and been very oppinionated which was a side they argued at any given point to make themselves appear more important but when push came to shove, none were willing to give up their comfortable lives in order to "suffer for the cause". Fake, if you ask me. 2 that come CLOSE have an Aquarius Moon. One have it conjunct Mars and the other have an Aries Mars. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted July 26, 2014 10:48 AM
Hi Geeky,I know several activists and I am one myself. I don't think I've met a mars in libra that is activistic. I am also very negatively biased against mars in libra. They try to please everyone, have no emotional backbones and tend to flake out in the end. I also know the types that Charlie is talking about. They are called hipters ... if you ask me. anyway, I think 9th house might be a big deal. I know many aquas, sags, virgos, taurus, geminis as well. Again, not too many libras in general. I think for my generation, earth dominant people are activists because of uranus and neptune in capricorn. I know some scorps but they are typically not activists. So any way, that is my opinion from the inside of people who actually do work  IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted July 26, 2014 07:00 PM
Offhand, I'd think Jupiter (especially Leo where strongly opinionated, wanting to both stand up and stand out and an evolved Leo tends to see themselves as protectors of others) and/or Saturn (especially Libra or Sag as they can care about how the laws act in both theory and practice, though Sag would care a lot more about tradition than Libra would) would have more to do with it than the other planets. 'Course the other aspects would also matter. Every generation has their activists and those who fight injustice (note that how injustice is defined differs from person to person) so I'd be more wary of counting Neptune or Pluto. IP: Logged |
MagnumJoe
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posted July 26, 2014 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by Geeky:
Is this a Mars in Libra thing?Neptune (possibly making an aspect to the Ascendant)? Whatcha think?
I am a mars in libra, and my neptune out of sign conjuncts my sign but with a less than one degree orb. And i do have this attitude. I always turn into a fierce fighter for justice with a preaching tone too. IP: Logged |
Geeky
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posted July 26, 2014 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
I am also very negatively biased against mars in libra. They try to please everyone, have no emotional backbones and tend to flake out in the end.
As a Mars in Libra person, allow me to demonstrate my backbone by saying your bias is indeed negative and in my opinion, incorrect. But I do respect your opinions and I appreciate the conversation. I also have astrological biases to work through, so I get it. IP: Logged |
Geeky
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posted July 26, 2014 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Offhand, I'd think Jupiter (especially Leo where strongly opinionated, wanting to both stand up and stand out and an evolved Leo tends to see themselves as protectors of others)
I can see that. Thanks. IP: Logged |
Geeky
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posted July 26, 2014 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Every generation has their activists and those who fight injustice (note that how injustice is defined differs from person to person) so I'd be more wary of counting Neptune or Pluto.
That makes sense too. IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted July 26, 2014 07:21 PM
I am a social activist and plan on making social activism a huge facet of my career. My drive to help society comes from a genuine place, though I know what you mean @Charlie. When push comes to shove, many people who claim to be activists would not, say, go to Cambodia, India, etc. if they finally had the chance because they would not want to give up their comfortable lifestyles for temporary destitution. It angers me too... true activists are willing to fight hard and make necessary sacrifices for the greater good, which I've come to integrate into my psyche. Possible placements, based off of myself and others whom I know to be socially revolutionary/for protesting/into promoting human rights, etc.: 1. Moon-Uranus and/or Moon in Aquarius
2. Strong 11th house placements, particularly Sun, Venus, the Moon, Jupiter and Mercury
3. Chironic placements [Moon-Chiron, Sun-Chiron, Venus-Chiron - able to empathize with others due to personal pain, therefore more willing to reach out and want to heal other people] IP: Logged |
MagnumJoe
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posted July 26, 2014 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
Hi Geeky,I am also very negatively biased against mars in libra. They try to please everyone, have no emotional backbones and tend to flake out in the end.
I don't know if i know other libra mars than myself, but i have been into demonstrations, walks, and got teargased, shot at (but wasn't shot), and was gonna get run over  So.. I don't know about these people you've met. But i am not the kind of a person who would go searching for these things. If it happened, so be it. But i don't run away, and i don't flake out. quote:
Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
1. Moon-Uranus and/or Moon in Aquarius
2. Strong 11th house placements, particularly Sun, Venus, the Moon, Jupiter and Mercury
Wow i have these! I have uranus tightly trine my moon, and i have my venus in 11th house! But i don't "claim" to be an activist though. I am just an ordinary person who would stand up for what he believes when it is necessary. IP: Logged |
Geeky
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posted July 26, 2014 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
When push comes to shove, many people who claim to be activists would not, say, go to Cambodia, India, etc. if they finally had the chance because they would not want to give up their comfortable lifestyles for temporary destitution.
Playing devil's advocate... ...or they have young children or older relatives to care for. Alternatively, they have many health issues like MS that prevents them from traveling because MS is so unpredictable. I have a friend with MS and from day to day, we aren't sure if she'll even be able to walk, let alone travel a long distance. It doesn't always mean they aren't willing to be uncomfortable. IP: Logged |
Geeky
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posted July 26, 2014 07:35 PM
(...and those activists usually donate money or time in other ways, such as help with volunteer coordination, marketing, maintaining websites, etc.)IP: Logged |
MagnumJoe
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posted July 26, 2014 09:39 PM
I wanna add something.Mars in Libra is not a people pleaser, it just likes to do things nicely. I mean, a Libra Mars won't go around doing what pleases people and put aside its own will, no, they will force their will, but in a nice way. Backing out of an argument, a fight, or a cause doesn't depend on Mars. Or.. at least that's what i think. Well Mars is certainly a factor, but it's not all. I think, that with my overall placements, if i hadn't a Libra Mars i would have been such an unrelenting forceful ******* , lol. I am already forceful and willful. So i am thankful for its presence indeed  IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted July 26, 2014 11:03 PM
Water influence for compassion, air for argumentation, Scorpio/Pluto influence for intensity? People don't always like what these activists stand for  but....-Julian Assange: Cancer sun, 3H Mars conjunct NN Aquarius
-Edward Snowden: Gem-Cancer cusp sun, Gemini Mars conjunct NN, trine Pluto
-MLK Jr: Gemini Mars, Pisces moon trine Cancer Pluto
-Gandhi: Scorpio Mars/Venus, singleton sun in Libra
-Bradley/Chelsea Manning: Scorpio Mars/Pluto/moon; Pisces NN
-Ron Paul: Scorpio Mars, Cancer Pluto conjunct SN ^ A few of these men had Sag Saturn. Will look up female activists when I have more time...possibly a different set of attributes drive female activism? Rosa Parks for example has Cap Mars, Aries NN-Venus. IP: Logged |
Geeky
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posted July 26, 2014 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Water influence for compassion, air for argumentation, Scorpio influence for intensity? People don't always like what these activists stand for but....-Julian Assange: Cancer sun, 3H Mars conjunct NN Aquarius
-Edward Snowden: Gem-Cancer cusp sun, Gemini Mars conjunct NN
-MLK Jr: Gemini Mars, Pisces moon trine Cancer Pluto
-Gandhi: Scorpio Mars/Venus, singleton sun in Libra
-Bradley/Chelsea Manning: Scorpio Mars/Pluto/moon; Pisces NN
-Ron Paul: Scorpio Mars, Cancer Pluto conjunct SN ^ A few of these men had Sag Saturn. Will look up female activists when I have more time...possibly a different set of attributes drive female activism? Rosa Parks for example has Cap Mars, Aries NN-Venus.
VERY interesting! Thanks for that. IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted July 27, 2014 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by Geeky:
Playing devil's advocate......or they have young children or older relatives to care for. Alternatively, they have many health issues like MS that prevents them from traveling because MS is so unpredictable. I have a friend with MS and from day to day, we aren't sure if she'll even be able to walk, let alone travel a long distance. It doesn't always mean they aren't willing to be uncomfortable.
I love that stance - as a Libra, I am all about playing Devil's advocate. You're very much on point with this. These cases are absolutely going to prevent an activist who wants to rally against injustice from moving ahead with his/her plans...since many spirited activists also have responsibility in the immediate home/work/love life. It is a shame that some people also possess physical limitations to prevent them from going above and beyond with their desire to fight injustice. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted July 27, 2014 01:46 AM
I think some of them have Aquarian energy...IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted July 27, 2014 01:48 AM
Aries Sun or Mars
Aquarius Sun or Mars
Sagittarius MC
Aquarius MC
MC conjunct Jupiter or Mars
Mars conj Saturn in Sagittarius
Sun in close aspect to Mars or JupiterThat's all I can think of at the moment.
I'd basically associate Aries/Sag/Aquarius placements + corresponding planets and houses with activism. People mentioned Libra Sun or Mars. I don't really agree because I see Libra as a more laid back and intellectual sign - not quite as action oriented as the ones I mentioned. I could imagine a Libra Mars person becoming involved in these issues via writing academic papers or via political debate.. not so much through "hands-on" activism. But it would depend on the rest of their chart as well. If someone had an aspect like Mars conjunct Jupiter in Libra on AC or MC.. I could see that leading to activism. It depends on the context! IP: Logged |
charlie
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posted July 27, 2014 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by Geeky:
Playing devil's advocate......or they have young children or older relatives to care for. Alternatively, they have many health issues like MS that prevents them from traveling because MS is so unpredictable. I have a friend with MS and from day to day, we aren't sure if she'll even be able to walk, let alone travel a long distance. It doesn't always mean they aren't willing to be uncomfortable.
I only spoke about people I know and none have children and none have MS. They are all too comfortable to walk the talk.
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PixieJane
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posted July 27, 2014 03:53 AM
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Originally posted by charlie:
I only spoke about people I know and none and children and none have MS. They are all too comfortable to walk the talk.
Now I'm curious, as you're speaking of specific people and experiences rather than just making a general statement. What was it they refused to do that you think they'd have done if they'd been sincere? IP: Logged |
next to neptune
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posted July 27, 2014 04:02 AM
My experience: And I know a LOT of activists (in my home country)Prominent Aquarius, prominent Taurus, Prominent Fire - especially Aries in the chart, maybe even pisces (if it is the kind of activists who deal with environmental causes) I actually know a Libra activist who is very active and popular, and she has an Aqua moon and scorpio venus (don't remember her mars) I have seen activists from these signs who are ready to fight for their believes, getting arrested and everything it takes, so I consider them true activists who live for their cause and probably will do for the rest of their lives I think the sun and mars has to be strong, and they probably have good placed 11th and 5th houses, but I don't know their TOB so I couldn't say for sure… but an activist need to have a lot of physical and psychical power, intelligence and popularity - otherwise they wouldn't continue… IP: Logged |
charlie
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posted July 27, 2014 05:10 AM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Now I'm curious, as you're speaking of specific people and experiences rather than just making a general statement. What was it they refused to do that you think they'd have done if they'd been sincere?
Like I said, anyone who doesn't back up his or her words with ACTION, or being an ACTIVIST, is fake. At that point talk becomes ugly cheap.. I know many people that like to sit around and spew their pseudo-intelligent propaganda about various wrongdoings against humanity in world but when asked to take it one step further and perhaps engage in a group or participate in a small demonstration or just PERHAPS, give ONE DOLLAR to one of these groups that deal with all these wrongdoings in world they are so opinionated about and they back out or come with excuses? Fake. I am not an activist per se although there are causes that could entice me to become one but I am too lazy quite honestly to perhaps move somewhere and battle for the killings of killer whales. However, when I do open my mouth and make a clear cut statement I will follow that up by acting on it. IP: Logged |
Geeky
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posted July 27, 2014 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by charlie:
I only spoke about people I know and none have children and none have MS. They are all too comfortable to walk the talk.
Well, I only spoke of people I know as well. 2 Virgos and an Aquarius. I also know a couple of the "get arrested" types too. One is a Leo and one is a Taurus... I don't know beyond their sun signs because I haven't asked. I was just curious if these traits come up in astrology. IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted July 27, 2014 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
People mentioned Libra Sun or Mars. I don't really agree because I see Libra as a more laid back and intellectual sign - not quite as action oriented as the ones I mentioned. I could imagine a Libra Mars person becoming involved in these issues via writing academic papers or via political debate.. not so much through "hands-on" activism. But it would depend on the rest of their chart as well. If someone had an aspect like Mars conjunct Jupiter in Libra on AC or MC.. I could see that leading to activism. It depends on the context!
Interesting! I am a Libra Sun and I feel that I have an extra 'push' to actually get out there and do hands-on work because I have 3 Scorpio planets in my 11th, and an exact sextile from Mars to my Midheaven. Otherwise, I can see the Air signs struggling with conceptualizing their humanitarian dreams by transmuting thought to action; perhaps written or spoken work for charity is more appropriate for Air-heavy activists? However, I do strive to become a journalist on international relations, based on my experience in the countries I want to write about. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted July 27, 2014 11:36 AM
My bad. I personally haven't had any good experiences with Libra mars.... But it might be because I have cap stellium and aries moon lol IP: Logged |
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