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Ibringyouasong
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posted July 28, 2014 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ibringyouasong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, I recently discovered the terms yods and how they are referred to as the "Finger of God." How people, like myself, with yods are never supposed to know what our true destinies are (except possibly subconsciously). We are only supposed to deal with the energies that are produced by the yods and that the fulcrum - the planet at the peak of the yods - rules all. Or something to that effect. If this could be expanded upon, I would greatly appreciate this.

I came across this when someone did an analysis of my chart - for the geometric purpose of pinpointing what my ideal partner would/will be and dubbed me a "yod girl." The analyzer said that yods were just fate. I'm kind of fifty-fifty about fate, myself. I happen to believe that there are things set in stone when we're born, but that along the way, with the choices we make, we shape ourselves even more, and the end product is what helps shape us into whatever/whoever we will be in our next life. But that's neither here nor there.

First Yod:

Sun Trine Midheaven (9 degrees)
Midheaven Square Pluto (-8 degrees)
Pluto Quincunx Sun (-0 degrees)

Second Yod:

Sun Quincunx Saturn (1 degree)
Saturn Sextile Pluto (-0 degrees)
Pluto Quincunx Sun (-0 degrees)

Third Yod:

Sun Quincunx Neptune (1 degree)
Neptune Sextile Pluto (-1 degree)
Pluto Quincunx Sun (-0 degrees)

So yes, I would appreciate any info anyone may have - whether these yods are real or I'm just making stuff up because I don't know what I'm talking about. lol.

Just a hunch I have - I think the Fulcrum in all of these is either the Sun or Pluto. Not sure. But anyways, here's my chart so that these can be proven to be true. Please, please, PLEASE help me learn what these are, what they mean, and how they effect my dreams and life (I really, really want to be a writer - an author on a global scale! I will fight fate if I have to have such accomplishments!)

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posted July 28, 2014 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HiddenAries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am glad you are seeking clarification on the yod pattern. The first yod you mentioned is not really a yod, rather its called the learning aspect pattern. yods is one sextile and two quincunx aspects, no square or trine. And since the trine and square are wide, it is not so powerful.

As for the second and third yod (which indeed, are yods), I would not look at them as two seperate yods. Rather, look at the big picture, and think about it as one big powerful yod.

Before I go on looking further into your apex planet, which is the Sun in your case, I must say you have a very powerful chart. Not just the yod, but the prominence of important fixed stars in your natal chart. Fixed stars such as Algol[Ascendant], Pleiades cluster[Mercury], Rigel[Jupiter], Bellatrix[Moon], Regulus[South Node], and Menkalinan(close to Betelgeuse)[Venus]. There are probably others, but these are the most important.

As for solving the riddle of your yod, your sun plays a very important part. Look into the 5th/11th house axis. In your case, its Virgo/Pisces, so look up 5th house in Virgo/ 11th house in Pisces. Also look into the 4th/10th house axis, since the I.C.(4th house) cusp is in Leo.

I have the same house sign cusps as you, so might be able to help here. I realized that my romance (5th house matters) has to involve spirituality, or at least a some form of dreamy wanderlust (Pisces in 11th house of hopes, dreams, and goals). As fourth house in Leo, I am very proud of my family, especially my mother, and where I come from.

Hope this helps.


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Ibringyouasong
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posted July 28, 2014 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ibringyouasong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HiddenAries:
I am glad you are seeking clarification on the yod pattern. The first yod you mentioned is not really a yod, rather its called the learning aspect pattern. yods is one sextile and two quincunx aspects, no square or trine. And since the trine and square are wide, it is not so powerful.

As for the second and third yod (which indeed, are yods), I would not look at them as two seperate yods. Rather, look at the big picture, and think about it as one big powerful yod.

Before I go on looking further into your apex planet, which is the Sun in your case, I must say you have a very powerful chart. Not just the yod, but the prominence of important fixed stars in your natal chart. Fixed stars such as Algol[Ascendant], Pleiades cluster[Mercury], Rigel[Jupiter], Bellatrix[Moon], Regulus[South Node], and Menkalinan(close to Betelgeuse)[Venus]. There are probably others, but these are the most important.

As for solving the riddle of your yod, your sun plays a very important part. Look into the 5th/11th house axis. In your case, its Virgo/Pisces, so look up 5th house in Virgo/ 11th house in Pisces. Also look into the 4th/10th house axis, since the I.C.(4th house) cusp is in Leo.

I have the same house sign cusps as you, so might be able to help here. I realized that my romance (5th house matters) has to involve spirituality, or at least a some form of dreamy wanderlust (Pisces in 11th house of hopes, dreams, and goals). As fourth house in Leo, I am very proud of my family, especially my mother, and where I come from.

Hope this helps.


Thank you so much for getting back to me and offering some insightful advice, HiddenAries! Truly very helpful and I appreciate someone taking the time to school me or help me educate myself on something I know nothing about.

Two yods - but not totally separate. I can see why you say that - the connections between Neptune, Saturn, and Pluto. It seems to be a chain link effect between these three. Almost like they're operating as one, giant yod or fateful "finger."

A learning aspect - can I ask what that is? Is it like a yod?

The Sun is my apex planet - glad to know I guessed right about something. lol. Is there any way I can find out the meaning behind this or what the connection of Neptune, Pluto and Saturn together will bring against my Sun (since it is the Yod man out - sorry, terrible pun, I know).

Wow, I've never known that I had a powerful chart. I always assumed it was just regular or average. I'm curious as to what you mean about the prominence of these certain planets (or fixed stars) that you've listed - if you wouldn't mind sharing or taking the time to explain such details.

I see what you mean about relationships. For me, I want to be lost in somebody and have them just as lost in me. I suppose that's the dreamy part of me. The analytical Virgo part of me would also appreciate someone who is just as logical and capable of witty diatribe as I am (I enjoy smartass remarks that can make me laugh outright or chuckle to myself about).

I am extremely proud of where I came from. I mean, I have some ideas about my various ethnic background and I absolutely love it. I love being from New Jersey and I love the family that I came from (many of them are gone because they were older - my father also died this past New Year, but his and mine relationship was not the best). My mom is one of my closest friends and I love that - I love that we've always been close. She's a pain in the butt, but I wouldn't trade her for anybody.

And yes, again, you've been enormously helpful and I appreciate all that you've shared with me tremendously.

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HiddenAries
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posted July 30, 2014 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HiddenAries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check out the interpretations for Sun quincunx Saturn, Sun Quincunx Neptune, Sun quincunx Pluto, and Saturn sextile Pluto.

All you have to do is look into these interpretations, investigate, and solve the riddle yourself. And once you do, it will lead you to become very successful.

Before reading the interpretations though, take a look at this website, it gives a great in-depth analysis of what a yod is all about: http://starcounsell.wordpre ss.com/2014/03/15/what-on-earth-is-a-yod-the-astrology-of-yods-part-one-c-copyright-hilary-bond-phd-all-rights-reserved/

Interpretations:

http://astrologyking.com/saturn-sextile-pluto/

Saturn Sextile Pluto

Saturn sextile Pluto in the natal chart gives steely determination and endurance which is put to practical use to create something of value, something lasting. These people have an amazing ability to focus on a particular project and see it to completion, they keep probing, keep working so hard like a machine. Systems and order are a high priority so there often a systematic approach to life with strict regimes and structures in place to maintain order and a sense of security.

However any strict self-discipline does not restrict the creative process, in fact these people can find revolutionary new ways of doing things we might associate with Uranus. This may be the transforming nature of Pluto, combining with the expansive and creative nature of the sextile, then manifesting through Saturn results. Respect and high recognition can come from their achievements.

http://astromatrix.org/Horoscopes/Planet-Aspects/Saturn-Sextile-Pluto

Saturn Sextile Pluto:

You should have the ability to organize, control and focus your will-power effectively in order to achieve your ambitions. Similar to those with the conjunction, you can act as a 'magician' transmitting occult energies and influence through established structures; the purpose of such impulses will be varied, sometimes constructive, sometimes destructive or preservative in their initial impact and appearance. A Pluto impact via Saturn can seem to be very negative and destructive at first, as it can shatter the existing foundations, yet its purpose is rebirth and regeneration, breaking old outgrown limitations to create the space for the new direction to emerge through. You may need to learn how to apply this energy in a practical way, probably through a self-initiated discipline and clear awareness of the way in which you wish to use it. Certainly, you will need to consider your aims carefully, planning and adjusting your approach according to strengths and weaknesses. Success is important to you, materially and psychologically; and you will try very hard to become an achiever in whichever sphere of life you choose. Some degree of frustration is inevitable, but you tend to believe that with perseverance and a realistic self-appraisal you are capable of success - eventually. You believe that experience is the best teacher, and that a sign of intelligence is to make full use of that experience for the purposes of growth; and that involves learning and understanding life's lessons as soon as possible, to avoid unnecessary painful repetition. You can be intolerant of others who learn slowly, or who insist on repeating the same mistakes over and over again, thus spoiling their own lives. Taking responsibility for one's own life is important to you; and you understand the crucial role of choice in life, knowing that a life is determined by the nature of choices made, whether seemingly important or trivial in nature. Unwise choices invariably lead to more suffering for yourself and others, and could often be avoided if more thought and awareness were applied before decisions were taken. A feeling of security is important to you, reflecting the known boundaries of Saturn; yet you are more alive to the necessity of change in life, and are less inclined to resist this, than are those with the Saturn-Pluto conjunction. Emotionally, you accept the inner mutability and flow more naturally, and so do not create a problem of emotionally-based repression erupting into an uncontrollable destructiveness in your relationships.

http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

Sun Quincunx (Inconjunct) Saturn

It is easy for you to take on responsibilities that aren't yours while ignoring ones that are. Because you work hard and aren't always recognized or compensated for it, you often "run out of steam" before your work is done. Your life works best when you learn to take care of your most important responsibilities first.

http://astrologyking.com/sun-quincunx-saturn/

Sun quincunx Saturn in the natal chart manifests as a difficult balancing act between the self-esteem, the ego, and heavy feelings of responsibility and self-discipline. Gaining self-respect and the respect of others though achievement in the career is often important to maintaining a healthy balance of these energies. Generally these people are very self-reliant and reserved, but can swing between this sober maturity and reckless disregard.

As the quincunx is an aspect of health, and Saturn can be sad and lonely, when the balance tips, it can lead to low self-esteem and depression. If this occurs it may be difficult for these people to regain the inner confidence without relying on a crutch which is often found with addictions.

http://depthastrology2.com/SunSaturn.htm#SunQuincunxSaturn

Sun quincunx Saturn: Structure, Discipline and Limitation Are in a Critical Relationship to Your Self-Identity

The functions governing structure, discipline, organization and limitation operate independently of your self-identity and self-image. With these two elements of the psyche disassociated from each other, you may experience some difficulties in integrating an organized and disciplined attitude into your self-concept and accepting structure as an integral and important part of your life. The individual self and its identity do not establish an easy connection in your psyche with the idea of limitation or the need for discipline.

You do not necessarily reject organization and discipline, but the concepts of responsibility, effort as a precursor to reward, and limitations on your freedom are likely to be somewhat alien to you. You may well identify other reasons for conforming to a work ethic, taking responsibility, structuring your time and space or exercising restraint. However, a natural attunement to these things or the need to present a strong self-image are not likely to be among these reasons.

Even if no problems are evident, there is a need for you to purify or transform your self-identity through the process of discipline and effort. Often, in order to accomplish this, your patterns of and attitude towards work, hardship and discipline must change. From time to time, crisis will occur in your life that are brought about by a failure to organize, undertake discipline or live within the limitations of a certain structure. These crises are likely to be triggered by your need to suddenly become disciplined or face up to a responsibility, or by consequences coming due from your failure to act responsibly or attend to some detail of organization. Crises can also be the result of running up against some unforeseen limitation or a failure to realistically estimate the amount of work and effort required to accomplish some important task. These difficulties then may bring on a crisis of self-identity.

You are generally caught in a dilemma of your own making with no easy or pleasant way out. You are called upon, in a critical time frame, to face your responsibility, to undertake a difficult task or to swiftly organize something. Or, you may be called upon to overcome some insurmountable obstacle, most likely a result of your own doing. Meeting the challenge of this crisis will involve and/or stimulate a transformation/purification of your sense of self and, through this, of your attitudes toward limits, discipline and/or effort. If real changes are made, the crisis will not reoccur, or will only reoccur at a higher level. If you ignore the “call to duty”, you will not only be forced to experience the unpleasant consequences of the crisis, but will likely repeat the painful lesson again. Hopefully, you will have learned a lesson that can motivate you to change your attitude toward discipline, effort and limitation and to transform your self.

Transcendent Potential
You have learned to appropriately integrate your self-identity with the demands of responsibility and paying appropriate attention to structure and organization. You have learned the wisdom of accepting limitations and the necessity of effort. You have been purified and humbled in the process. You now accept responsibility, not merely for your actions at the mundane level, but for your integrity as an individual and your purity. You do this with the goal that you may rise to a higher level of consciousness and being. You have concluded that your effort must be directed toward the transformation of the self and that you must take the responsibility for putting in that effort. At the same time, you realize the balance between grace and effort that must always be kept in mind so that the ego does not feel proud of the effort that it is making.

Insecurity
You have chosen to protect your ego rather than nobly sacrifice yourself and thus transform your self. Consequently, you continue to get into serious difficulties resulting from your avoidance of responsibility (or over commitment of responsibility, as the case may be) and failure (or over-zealousness) to attend to organization and preparedness. Mistakes occur through your imbalanced attitude toward work and discipline and your failure to own or correct these mistakes, either through self-examination or by accepting the help or advice of others. Nevertheless, when you suffer the consequences of your excesses, you blame others for your difficulties and refuse to learn from your lessons.

http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

Sun Quincunx (Inconjunct) Neptune

Your energy tends to be directed unrealistically. Your own sense of self changes as you learn from your own misappraisals of situations that are important to you. If you feel drained or frustrated it is always helpful to look at your overall direction in life and determine if you have taken on more through your high ideals than your physical vitality can sustain. It is always worthwhile to see how your ideas are received by others, to see if you can involve them in your vision. When you can't, avoid trying to do everything yourself. Slow down, "if it is worth having it is worth waiting for."

http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/Sun_Aspects.htm

Sun quincunx Neptune

Your sensitivity and compassion may sometimes seem incompatible with your need for achievement and recognition, creating the need to make adjustments to one or both. This is an ongoing pattern. There is a sense of paradox or dilemma involved. You are likely quite intuitive, possibly mystical in nature, which could at times feel like a burden. If you can remain flexible you will find this to be a very creative aspect.

http://darkstarastrology.com/sun-quincunx-neptune/

Sun quincunx Neptune seems to bring out the worshiping and merging qualities of Neptune. The quincunx has a restless quality which causes the sea of Neptune to heave and make waves up to tsunami proportions. The creative essence of the Sun combined with Neptune’s abundant imagination can make the subject strive for idol status. They have huge dreams of being up there with the stars for all eternity, a way to merge with the source. The quincunx can also add a surprising spark of temper and electricity. But like a slippery eel they are able to slither out of their misdemeanours unscathed. This exotic mix makes them glamorous and rather flash, therefore their failings are often overlooked.

http://depthastrology2.com/SunPluto.htm

Sun quincunx Pluto: The Functions of Transformation through Crisis and Your Self-Identity Are in a Critical Relationship

Your urge for power and for self-transformation function independently of your self-identity or self-image. With these two elements of the psyche disassociated from each other, you may experience some difficulties in integrating your power drives or your need for deep psychological transformation with your self-concept and identity. You may also have difficulty accepting power and/or personal growth through struggle and crisis as integral and important parts of your life.

You are not likely to establish an easy connection with power and control or with the idea that there is value in the pain and struggle that leads to self-purification. This is not to say that you are devoid of any impulse toward power or transformation, but rather these processes are not integral to your self-identity and, if they exist, they are likely to be compartmentalized in your life and psyche. Given the difficulty involved in the transformative process symbolized by Pluto, it is more than likely that any such subconscious drives for self-transformation will be ignored or suppressed.

There is also a strong possibility that, because of the lack of integration, power and sexuality are areas of your life in which you exercise little self-control or have little awareness of what you are doing. There is much opportunity in your handling of your power and sexuality roles, therefore, for negative attitudes and tendencies to develop and persist. The growth of any tendency toward negativity only emphasizes the need to purify or transform your self through the process of confronting negative psychological constructs and purging them from your character and psyche. Often, in order to accomplish such self-purification, your attitude towards power, sexuality, suffering, mortality and/or the subconscious must change.

From time to time, crises will occur in your life that are brought about by your failure to deal adequately with issues of power, sexuality, integrity or truth. This failure may be either through neglect or abuse. Such a crisis may then bring on a crisis of self-identity, which may compound the original crisis.

You are generally caught in a dilemma of your own making with no easy or pleasant way out. You are called upon, in a critical time frame, to confront some dark aspect of yourself, to oppose a powerful force, to admit to some unpleasant truth or to undergo some painful purification. This may involve the destruction of your ego-framework, with you seeing only a small chance at the beginning of the process for an outcome to be reached in which your integrity and identity will be reassembled.

Meeting the challenge of this crisis will involve and/or stimulate a transformation/ purification of your sense of self and, through this, of your attitudes toward power, sexuality, truth, the subconscious and/or Inner Spirit. If these changes are made, the crisis may not reoccur, or will only reoccur at a higher level. If you ignore the “call to sacrifice”, you will not only be forced to experience the unpleasant consequences of the crisis, but will likely repeat the lesson again. Hopefully, you will have learned a lesson that can motivate you to transform your attitude toward power, sexuality, etc., and, thus, transform your self.

Transcendent Potential

You have learned to appropriately integrate your self-identity with a sense of your inner power and have discovered the point within yourself where your individual identity is allowed to merge with that Greater Power. In order to do this, you have undergone intense purification, including the breaking-down of the self to discover its essential nature. You have been cleansed of negativity, especially regarding sexuality and the use of power. You can now look at yourself, including your deepest and most innermost secrets, and feel Truth and integrity. You know that by yourself you are powerless and that true power comes from beyond and within the Self. You have united yourself with that Power and, in doing so, have found your true identity.

Insecurity
You have chosen to protect your ego rather than look squarely at yourself and thus transform. Consequently, you continue to get into serious difficulties resulting from your abuse or neglect of power relationships, responsibility in sexuality and/or matters of integrity. You are often seen to act callously and thoughtlessly with respect to power and sexuality and then refuse to deal with the situation. You may also have a pattern of refusing to take action out of fear of the consequences and of being unwilling to take responsibility in the exercise of power.
Likely as not, you may be the victim of power abuse rather than the perpetrator, although at the subconscious level you may be attracting such victimization. Whatever your role, you do not deal with your power and sexuality in a conscious manner. Events flow in an undirected and uncontrolled manner so that you are a slave to your circumstances. Stumbling blindly, you may even fall into such moral and psychological darkness that you become completely lost. There is always hope, however, that a crisis will provoke you to “see the light.”

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Ibringyouasong
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posted August 14, 2014 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ibringyouasong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HiddenAries:
I am glad you are seeking clarification on the yod pattern. The first yod you mentioned is not really a yod, rather its called the learning aspect pattern. yods is one sextile and two quincunx aspects, no square or trine. And since the trine and square are wide, it is not so powerful.

As for the second and third yod (which indeed, are yods), I would not look at them as two seperate yods. Rather, look at the big picture, and think about it as one big powerful yod.

Before I go on looking further into your apex planet, which is the Sun in your case, I must say you have a very powerful chart. Not just the yod, but the prominence of important fixed stars in your natal chart. Fixed stars such as Algol[Ascendant], Pleiades cluster[Mercury], Rigel[Jupiter], Bellatrix[Moon], Regulus[South Node], and Menkalinan(close to Betelgeuse)[Venus]. There are probably others, but these are the most important.

As for solving the riddle of your yod, your sun plays a very important part. Look into the 5th/11th house axis. In your case, its Virgo/Pisces, so look up 5th house in Virgo/ 11th house in Pisces. Also look into the 4th/10th house axis, since the I.C.(4th house) cusp is in Leo.

I have the same house sign cusps as you, so might be able to help here. I realized that my romance (5th house matters) has to involve spirituality, or at least a some form of dreamy wanderlust (Pisces in 11th house of hopes, dreams, and goals). As fourth house in Leo, I am very proud of my family, especially my mother, and where I come from.

Hope this helps.


Hi again! Just wanted to say that I saw what you wrote - and wow. I guess I have a lot work on - perhaps from past lives I've had. But I do understand and feel a lot of these things. I know I have to purge myself over and over again. Recently I've become highly depressed - to the point that I had to call a suicide hot line (not that I'm brave enough to go through with it, but it helps to talk to someone about thinking about it at least) - and feeling sorry for myself. But in speaking to a friend/relative of mine, I've been keeping a journal and it helps to write things out for me. Sort of becoming my own therapist while spitting out poison. But I still have a long ways to go.

At any rate, I was wondering if you could tell me more about my apex planet and why the certain prominent points in my chart are so powerful - if you wouldn't mind. Thank you so much for your help - you've been extremely helpful and I appreciate it very much!

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posted August 14, 2014 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you have one, my FRiend.

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posted August 14, 2014 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ibringyouasong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think you have one, my FRiend.


It's two because my Sun quincunx's both Saturn and Neptune...but in both instances, Sun is quincunxed by my Pluto, which makes a sextile to both Saturn and Neptune...but in essence, I suppose both yods would work as just one...which would kind of make it a square? lol

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posted August 14, 2014 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The one pointing to your Sun seems to be very strong.
It has a good sabian.

hmm!... I don't think YOD's pointing to the angles actually exist... hmmm...
Very interesting.

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posted August 14, 2014 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ibringyouasong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GemBird82:
The one pointing to your Sun seems to be very strong.
It has a good sabian.

hmm!... I don't think YOD's pointing to the angles actually exist... hmmm...
Very interesting.


What is a sabian? If you don't mind me asking.

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posted August 15, 2014 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HiddenAries:

http://starcounsell.wordpre ss.com/2014/03/15/what-on-earth-is-a-yod-the-astrology-of-yods-part-one-c-copyright-hilary-bond-phd-all-rights-reserved/


That link is a good one!

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