posted July 28, 2014 10:42 PM            

I feel like the classic interpretation is very true for me. I romanticize love and I tend to get disappointed very easily if my actual relationship doesn't seem romantic enough. At the same time, I'm often not being realistic myself, making up a fantasy and trying to force reality into its shape. It's all about drama and romance and spiritual love and generally having my head in clouds. I'm very accepting of quirks, but at the same time I tend to punish my partner for not fitting my image of a perfect fairytale lover. I become disappointed very easily and I tend to compare people to fantasy images in my head.

posted July 28, 2014 10:54 PM            

In fact, I dare say I don't know if he knows how to be happy in love. I am not the first to say this, his ex says so too (she & I became friends).

I really don't understand his style of love. I know it exists and I believe he must feel it for me but he's not expressive at all.

It actually leads to me throwing temper tantrums occasionally because I *need* attention. I need to know I matter. He's just clueless in that regard.

posted July 29, 2014 12:03 AM            

Anyway, I have a weird idea about love, I want to believe in love everlasting, a beautiful love that a man and woman can actually love each other and understand each other and help each other go through life together -- no cheating, no lies, just pure beautiful love.

Then there is the dark and realistic side to me that see this as impossible, and that humans were never built for pure love, that we have all these dramas and crazy psychosis about relationships...love is truly jacked up.

posted July 29, 2014 12:10 AM            

Any hard aspects will give this painful cycle, soft aspect also but not to the same extent.

posted July 29, 2014 12:13 AM            

Venus in Virgo 12th
Only aspect is square Neptune
Neptune in 3rd

posted July 29, 2014 01:10 AM            

One thing that Venus in 12th and maybe Venus square Neptune is accused of is cheating. I've never done that.

First, it fills you with this fantasy that there is some fantastic, fairytale type love and romance out there. You just have to find that one. It becomes almost obsession as if you are not complete until you have it. Somehow you think it could be anywhere. Anyone is suspect as being your soulmate/twinflame.
When it comes to married people. It's weird. It used to cause an attraction and my only theory is that married people tend to have their guard down. That sexual tension is gone, so even on extremely subtle levels, they seem open. Then, any little gesture, kindness, look, smile, or something spoken becomes a sign. You may glorify this person and dig SO hard to confirm what you WANT to believe to be true. Astrology wise, you could go "OH! We have SUN trine Venus! That's huge!" Even though, it really may not be much at all. The rest of the chart could suck but you'll ignore that. Somehow in your mind, that aspect is going to be the shiznet and beat all else.
When someone likes you and is interested. They may very well not be your type at all. But you think that, "Well, maybe they are the one." Like kissing the frog and your prince/princess will appear. You think that maybe they will change. Maybe they will be so awesome that you won't notice the little flaws. Everything becomes "workable" or "doable".

Once in a relationship. You'll be the biggest romancer in the world and absolutely bend over backwards to give them anything that they want. If they want to travel the world next month, you'll start looking into it. It sets you up for being taken advantage of. It seemed to always happen in my case. Basically they now had two people (Themselves and myself) to get them whatever they wanted. EVENTUALLY, you catch onto this and begin to feel used. Then you begin to see all of their flaws and seeing what you SHOULD have seen to begin with. Suddenly realizing that they do NOT meet your standards and feeling that you've gotten into something that you suddenly want out of.
It begins that you are no longer willing to do whatever they want. It catches them by surprise. When they keep trying then I get pretty grumpy.
Basically from that point I'm just a big grump. I don't want to spend time with them any more. They feel neglected, fights break out, etc. Then, they either cheat OR I very suddenly break it off.

posted July 29, 2014 01:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
DF....I don't have this aspect personally but from what I've seen in the charts of ppl I've worked with and read about, your summation is spot on!! Thank you for making it so understandable, that I'm sure is not an easy aspect to explain.

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Thanks! It's not easy but I'm glad it made sense. I shortened it up a lot. lol

posted July 29, 2014 06:47 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Hopefully I can actually get what's in my head, out here.

One thing that Venus in 12th and maybe Venus square Neptune is accused of is cheating. I've never done that.

First, it fills you with this fantasy that there is some fantastic, fairytale type love and romance out there. You just have to find that one. It becomes almost obsession as if you are not complete until you have it. Somehow you think it could be anywhere. Anyone is suspect as being your soulmate/twinflame.
When it comes to married people. It's weird. It used to cause an attraction and my only theory is that married people tend to have their guard down. That sexual tension is gone, so even on extremely subtle levels, they seem open. Then, any little gesture, kindness, look, smile, or something spoken becomes a sign. You may glorify this person and dig SO hard to confirm what you WANT to believe to be true. Astrology wise, you could go "OH! We have SUN trine Venus! That's huge!" Even though, it really may not be much at all. The rest of the chart could suck but you'll ignore that. Somehow in your mind, that aspect is going to be the shiznet and beat all else.
When someone likes you and is interested. They may very well not be your type at all. But you think that, "Well, maybe they are the one." Like kissing the frog and your prince/princess will appear. You think that maybe they will change. Maybe they will be so awesome that you won't notice the little flaws. Everything becomes "workable" or "doable".

Once in a relationship. You'll be the biggest romancer in the world and absolutely bend over backwards to give them anything that they want. If they want to travel the world next month, you'll start looking into it. It sets you up for being taken advantage of. It seemed to always happen in my case. Basically they now had two people (Themselves and myself) to get them whatever they wanted. EVENTUALLY, you catch onto this and begin to feel used. Then you begin to see all of their flaws and seeing what you SHOULD have seen to begin with. Suddenly realizing that they do NOT meet your standards and feeling that you've gotten into something that you suddenly want out of.
It begins that you are no longer willing to do whatever they want. It catches them by surprise. When they keep trying then I get pretty grumpy.
Basically from that point I'm just a big grump. I don't want to spend time with them any more. They feel neglected, fights break out, etc. Then, they either cheat OR I very suddenly break it off.

I kind of got lost in my words and not wanting to carry on forever and ever. I feel like I sucked on that one but hopefully it makes some sense.

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I have this natally.
Perfect explanation

posted July 29, 2014 07:09 AM            

My hubs was never romantic (not even at the start), so he must have other hard aspects that mute this one a bit. Either that or he held all of those romantic ideas and feelings in.

posted July 29, 2014 09:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Geeky:
That was an excellent explanation from everyone involved... thank you.

My hubs was never romantic (not even at the start), so he must have other hard aspects that mute this one a bit. Either that or he held all of those romantic ideas and feelings in.

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My partner has this aspect as well and he has never really been the romantic type either (also not even at the start). A few small thoughtful gestures here and there but never anything super demonstrative. I think he likes the idea of romance but his follow-through is definitely muted. That or he has learned his lesson from past experiences/relationships and is careful now.

posted July 29, 2014 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Hopefully I can actually get what's in my head, out here.

One thing that Venus in 12th and maybe Venus square Neptune is accused of is cheating. I've never done that.

First, it fills you with this fantasy that there is some fantastic, fairytale type love and romance out there. You just have to find that one. It becomes almost obsession as if you are not complete until you have it. Somehow you think it could be anywhere. Anyone is suspect as being your soulmate/twinflame.
When it comes to married people. It's weird. It used to cause an attraction and my only theory is that married people tend to have their guard down. That sexual tension is gone, so even on extremely subtle levels, they seem open. Then, any little gesture, kindness, look, smile, or something spoken becomes a sign. You may glorify this person and dig SO hard to confirm what you WANT to believe to be true. Astrology wise, you could go "OH! We have SUN trine Venus! That's huge!" Even though, it really may not be much at all. The rest of the chart could suck but you'll ignore that. Somehow in your mind, that aspect is going to be the shiznet and beat all else.
When someone likes you and is interested. They may very well not be your type at all. But you think that, "Well, maybe they are the one." Like kissing the frog and your prince/princess will appear. You think that maybe they will change. Maybe they will be so awesome that you won't notice the little flaws. Everything becomes "workable" or "doable".

Once in a relationship. You'll be the biggest romancer in the world and absolutely bend over backwards to give them anything that they want. If they want to travel the world next month, you'll start looking into it. It sets you up for being taken advantage of. It seemed to always happen in my case. Basically they now had two people (Themselves and myself) to get them whatever they wanted. EVENTUALLY, you catch onto this and begin to feel used. Then you begin to see all of their flaws and seeing what you SHOULD have seen to begin with. Suddenly realizing that they do NOT meet your standards and feeling that you've gotten into something that you suddenly want out of.
It begins that you are no longer willing to do whatever they want. It catches them by surprise. When they keep trying then I get pretty grumpy.
Basically from that point I'm just a big grump. I don't want to spend time with them any more. They feel neglected, fights break out, etc. Then, they either cheat OR I very suddenly break it off.

I kind of got lost in my words and not wanting to carry on forever and ever. I feel like I sucked on that one but hopefully it makes some sense.

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posted July 29, 2014 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I don't know. I think this aspect simply causes me to expect my partners to do all the work (but I also have Saturn squares?) or I just naturally see the best in otherwise more dingy / unsuitable characters. But I don't expect to be Cinderella.

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posted July 29, 2014 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I don't know. I think this aspect simply causes me to expect my partners to do all the work (but I also have Saturn squares?) or I just naturally see the best in otherwise more dingy / unsuitable characters. But I don't expect to be Cinderella.

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posted July 29, 2014 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by starrynight:
I have this placement. It's not the most exact - 4 degrees - and it's not my Venus' tightest aspect, but it is there.

I feel like the classic interpretation is very true for me. I romanticize love and I tend to get disappointed very easily if my actual relationship doesn't seem romantic enough. At the same time, I'm often not being realistic myself, making up a fantasy and trying to force reality into its shape. It's all about drama and romance and spiritual love and generally having my head in clouds. I'm very accepting of quirks, but at the same time I tend to punish my partner for not fitting my image of a perfect fairytale lover. I become disappointed very easily and I tend to compare people to fantasy images in my head.

What about you?

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posted July 29, 2014 04:06 PM            

I also noticed that romantically I tend to go for people with a lot of Neptune aspects in their natal charts. Our synastry then also becomes Neptunian.

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

I don't have this aspect but from what you describe, sounds like your are here to learn to love unconditionally as tough as it might be.
I am not saying you should accept horrible behavior but not expect everyday to be this fairy tale romance, either. It's going to be boring and mundane you just have to find ways to deal with those days that do not sparkle.

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