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Dancing Maenad
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posted July 31, 2014 05:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey guys!

I've been looking into this quite a bit in the last year or so, since I am considering leaving my birth country. I have to say I have not found too much info online, most of it is astrologers's sites who do this kind of thing. Not only it's very expensive (if you're not sure where you want to go, like me) but I would much rather prefer to do it myself, with some input maybe from astrologers here that I trust. But anyways, I'm not there yet!

I use astro.com and it's been very insightful! Now that I have traveled a little bit I can look back and see how some places influenced me.

-I went to college in a city which was on my Venus trine Asc line and those were some of the happiest years of my life; I had countless romance opportunities and pretty much all the time I was there I was in love with someone, lol. I also looked my best, too.
-I met my ex fiancee in Houston which sits on my Sun conj DC line. The engagement in itself happened in San Diego, on Chiron trine Asc line. Apparently that's good for healing relationships.
-another city I was in, which proved to be very beneficial for my career and where I felt very self confident had Sun sq Asc line
-I had a great time in Istanbul, I was on my feet the whole time, very active - Mars sq Asc line
-Ankara was a different story, I was much more introverted and even had an emotionally painful incident there - Chiron conj IC line
-I didn't feel too well in New York, though I appreciated it for what it has to give, but it felt restrictive in a way and burdensome (loved the city, didn't love how it made me feel) - Saturn conj Asc line
-completely different story for Salt Lake City, as a matter of fact I will always treasure the road trip I took from there through Arizona - guess what, the whole area incorporates quite a few lines: Pluto trine MC, Mars sextile MC, NN conj MC and sq Asc, Moon and Neptune conj IC (yes, it felt like home) and sq Asc.

I spent years in some of these places, or a few days/weeks in others, but I am still in awe about the accuracy of the descriptions!


So, that's for astrocartography, but that just gives the main flavor of a place. If you want the whole bouquet, you have to do the relocation chart. Now here's where I'm in a little predicament, because even if I have a good line in astrocartography, the relocation chart shows terrible placements in houses - Saturn in the 7th, in the 10th, in the 2nd (no, I don't want to be lonely, unemployed or poor in a foreign country! - and yes, I know that's generalization but would you take that chance? Good for you, I wouldn't risk it).

So, what I most want to ask, based on your experience or advised opinion, which are the best and the worst positions in houses in a relocation chart? Where would you put Saturn to cause the least trouble possible? What about Neptune, where can we handle escapism without derailing our whole life? Where do you put your benefics? What houses should be emphasized and what shouldn't?

These are a few of the questions going through my mind while I'm trying to decide where to.

I also welcome any experiences, stories or opinions about these topics.

Thanks!

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Dancing Maenad
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posted August 01, 2014 07:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sure you people have traveled around..

C'mon, tell me all about it!

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Brontex
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posted August 01, 2014 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brontex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is interesting. Not something I've ever really thought about before either. I wouldn't mind going over some of my most and least favorite travels to see how they line up with my chart.

You're right about it being kinda difficult to find much good info on it online though. How are you going about the research on astro.com exactly?

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Dancing Maenad
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posted August 01, 2014 03:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, Brontex!

From astro.com I like their AstroClick Travel and then just go about the continents lol. I am interested in all aspects, both harmonious and disharmonious ones. Then I just click on a city and read the description. If I'm really liking the energy there, I might do a Relocation chart and analyze it in more detail. It's pretty tedious for my Aries Mercury, I'll say that much..
I think that even though our natal charts stay with us throughout our lives, the relocation chart does seem to take over.. but that is just from my limited experience - I wanted to hear from people who have relocated for bigger distances and periods. But all opinions are welcomed.

So if you'd be willing to share all that, I'd be grateful!

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Doux Rêve
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posted August 01, 2014 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What if there are no lines?

By the way, I posted in the relocation thread, in case you're interested, Mae.

Personally I have a feeling I'll enjoy Australia. That's one of the few destinations that really draw me in. The other day I saw a video about Sydney and I was like, "whoaaa I need to go there sometime." I have a Gem ASC there just like in natal but some stuff moves into the 5H and the Moon/Saturn opp. moves to the 3H/9H axis, which I believe is way easier than 5h/11H. Well, if I ever get the opportunity to go there, I'll keep ya updated, heheh. (Here's the chart in case you want to take a look. Looks pretty cool, I think.)

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Dancing Maenad
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posted August 01, 2014 04:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was hoping to get your input on this, Doux! I saw the other thread too!
If there are no lines, it means there is no planet in major aspect to one of the angles, so no major theme of the location - but the different planetary positions in houses would still work their magic (or not).
I am in the same boat, I can't wait to get out of here. I am hoping for a better chart and can't wait to lose the Cap rising! Funny, I also have Gemini rising in Australia, lol!


Let's go together!!

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Doux Rêve
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posted August 01, 2014 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dude, that chart looks sweet. We should totally go together. By the way our synastry is pretty epic, to boot. So like, get ready for it, yeah?
Oh and you were born on a Monday too! Lunar kids. It makes me think of this song.

Seriously though the MC ruler and the DSC ruler are neat.

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I'm so cappy
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posted August 01, 2014 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Post the chart for the location you're most interested in?

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Dancing Maenad
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posted August 01, 2014 06:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Dude, that chart looks sweet. We should totally go together. By the way our synastry is pretty epic, to boot. So like, get ready for it, yeah?
Oh and you were born on a Monday too! Lunar kids. It makes me think of this song.

Seriously though the MC ruler and the DSC ruler are neat.


Doux, I need to tie some loose ends here and then I am off. I hope 1 year max. I am a little frightened to go at the other end of the world, but what better way to leave it all behind?
I am not too crazy about Saturn in the 5th to be fully honest. Or Uranus widely conj DC. Or Neptune in the 7th. I realize I will need to compromise somewhere in my RC just not sure where, yet.
I would like a Fire rising best, tbh. Ireland makes me Sag rising but sadly with Moon-Neptune in the 1st. Leo rising falls somewhere in the Pacific so that's a dead end. I forgot where Aries rising was, I think maybe India but that puts Saturn in the 7th. No-no. I'd visit India but idk if I'd live there.

Maybe we can take a trip to Australia together first? Apparently they also have job openings in my field so it's a possibility. Omg those beaches!!

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Dancing Maenad
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posted August 01, 2014 06:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Post the chart for the location you're most interested in?


That's the issue, cappy. I have not decided which one interests me the most, yet.

I am trying to figure it out with the help of your stories and experiences.

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Doux Rêve
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posted August 01, 2014 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problem when you have a difficult chart is that it's difficult no matter where on Earth you are, lmao. You can't escape your fate! (ew that sounds bad). Well, you get what I mean. I'll always have my crappy T-square, for instance. And natal chart > any other chart anyway.

But yeah, of course I won't *move* anywhere any time soon. A trip would be cool though. Gotta explore the territory first.

I can understand wanting a Fire rising. Actually it'd be interesting to see how it feels. Still haven't found a place where I'd have a Fire rising except for the UK - late Sag. But the chart doesn't look too good (almost same as here). And I don't feel particularly attracted to the UK. I'd like to visit though.

I think it's important to look at the rulers moreso than the cusps. If you're looking for a good job then make sure the condition of the 10th and 6th house is at least somewhat okay. If you want a good relationship, 7th. Good finances, 2nd. And so on and so forth.

Well anyway, I don't think it has thaat much of an influence. Sure it matters but like I said, in the end the natal chart wins.

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posted August 01, 2014 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can show you the chart for the city I feel most drawn to when it comes to the future location options. Haven't been there yet.

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mareaire
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posted August 01, 2014 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mareaire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
interesting that most places i've lived are along or near my asc-mercury line. and mercury is my dominant planet.

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Dancing Maenad
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posted August 02, 2014 06:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
The problem when you have a difficult chart is that it's difficult no matter where on Earth you are, lmao. You can't escape your fate! (ew that sounds bad). Well, you get what I mean. I'll always have my crappy T-square, for instance. And natal chart > any other chart anyway.

But yeah, of course I won't *move* anywhere any time soon. A trip would be cool though. Gotta explore the territory first.

I can understand wanting a Fire rising. Actually it'd be interesting to see how it feels. Still haven't found a place where I'd have a Fire rising except for the UK - late Sag. But the chart doesn't look too good (almost same as here). And I don't feel particularly attracted to the UK. I'd like to visit though.

I think it's important to look at the rulers moreso than the cusps. If you're looking for a good job then make sure the condition of the 10th and 6th house is at least somewhat okay. If you want a good relationship, 7th. Good finances, 2nd. And so on and so forth.

Well anyway, I don't think it has thaat much of an influence. Sure it matters but like I said, in the end the natal chart wins.


Yeah, that is something I am afraid of - I can't escape my issues.. And I would hate to put them in houses that would give me even more trouble than I am experiencing here. I don't have problems with the way planets sit in houses right now, I love my Jup-Uranus in the 10th tbh and Saturn in the 9th is one of the least problematic places to have it (if losing your faith, studying for 24 years and being prevented to travel until your 30s is acceptable) - but I *want* to leave, badly, as soon as I tie my loose ends here.

When do you think you'll be able to move? What keeps you where you are?

Oh, I am actually tempted to give it a little more importance, though I agree that natal trumps everything. But even minor moves have had an echo, if I look at degrees and Sabian Symbols - for example I am living 110 km away from my natal town and most of my chart is the same, except for the degree of MC/IC which changed from Scorpio 21 (Hunters Shooting Wild Ducks) to Scorpio 20 (Obeying His Conscience, A Soldier Resists Orders) for MC and from Taurus 21 (White Dove Flying Over Troubled Waters) to Taurus 20 (A Finger Pointing To A Line In An Open Book) for IC. The changes are incredibly significant, even if they are so minor!

Btw, have you ever checked transits, progressions or even synastries for your RC? You can pretty much do anything with it, like with a natal, and I'm curious how accurate it is.

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Dancing Maenad
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posted August 02, 2014 06:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I can show you the chart for the city I feel most drawn to when it comes to the future location options. Haven't been there yet.



Ah, I see what you meant. That's a cool chart! Where is this place, if you don't mind sharing? I think a Leo Asc would be great to maximize the potential of that 5th house stellium! Also, personally, I loved the Mars sq Asc line, it made me very proactive and always on the go! Even though I have it natally, it is not as powerful - usually the lazy, complacent Venus on IC wins the battle.

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Dancing Maenad
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quote:
Originally posted by mareaire:
interesting that most places i've lived are along or new my asc-mercury line. and mercury is my dominant planet.

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That's really cool! What is the difference from your natal and how has that affected you?

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posted August 02, 2014 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope you guys don't mind if I post my chart regarding my move to Montreal, Canada. I've been quite curious about relocation astrology as there are very few infos on that.

I traveled quite a bit and from one place to another, certain aspects of my life you be less or more emphasized.

Thank you for your help!

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Dancing Maenad
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I am coming to a small conclusion this early in the game..

- I want benefics (Sun, Venus, Jup) on the major angles or at least in angular houses but not Jup in the 1st lol
- I don't want Saturn anywhere near an angular house, but also not in the 2nd or 6th or 12th
- Actually, I don't want ANY planet in the 12th
- No angular Neptune either (maybe the 4th)
- No Uranus, Mars or Pluto in the 4th or 7th
- I want MC and DC rulers to be well aspected because this is what I am interested in the most
- last but not least, good Sabians. They matter.

What do you guys think? Of course, preferences most likely change from one person to the next.. but I want a smooth, happy and easy life. All the perks.

Sounds good on paper but finding the right city will take some work.. I might stick with Australia after all though I must stay away from Sydney who puts Venus in the 12th.

Correlate all that with being in a climate I enjoy, getting the visa and all the language and professional qualifications, finding a job in my field and a house that preferably should be near water, being in a large city versus a small town because of cultural, social and economic factors, must have access to top schools and universities for the kids.. and so on.

Shoot.Me.Now.

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Dancing Maenad
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posted August 02, 2014 06:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MineAgain:
I hope you guys don't mind if I post my chart regarding my move to Montreal, Canada. I've been quite curious about relocation astrology as there are very few infos on that.

I traveled quite a bit and from one place to another, certain aspects of my life you be less or more emphasized.

Thank you for your help!


MineAgain,

Hello again! lol You posted your natal chart but that gives us little info on how your experience in Canada will be like. Post the relocation chart for Montreal and we'll see what we can come up with - even though this is not what this thread focuses on. But say, if you do give us some info about how your life was influenced by the places you traveled to, from an astrological pov, I'd be more motivated to read your Relocation Chart.

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posted August 02, 2014 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
MineAgain,

Hello again! lol You posted your natal chart but that gives us little info on how your experience in Canada will be like. Post the relocation chart for Montreal and we'll see what we can come up with - even though this is not what this thread focuses on. But say, if you do give us some info about how your life was influenced by the places you traveled to, from an astrological pov, I'd be more motivated to read your Relocation Chart.


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posted August 02, 2014 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Ah, I see what you meant. That's a cool chart! Where is this place, if you don't mind sharing? I think a Leo Asc would be great to maximize the potential of that 5th house stellium! Also, personally, I loved the Mars sq Asc line, it made me very proactive and always on the go! Even though I have it natally, it is not as powerful - usually the lazy, complacent Venus on IC wins the battle.


It's...in Europe Maybe I'll share the details someday. And yes, this ASC should be rather helpful. Unfortunately, Capricorn might be intercepted here. I'm also not sure how to feel about the ruler of the house in the 12th. Pluto-IC seems a little scary but maybe it would turn out well for me? No matter where I'd go emigration would bring a lot of changes into my life anyway.

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posted August 02, 2014 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Yeah, that is something I am afraid of - I can't escape my issues.. And I would hate to put them in houses that would give me even more trouble than I am experiencing here.

I can understand.

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but I *want* to leave, badly, as soon as I tie my loose ends here.
When do you think you'll be able to move? What keeps you where you are?

Tell me about it.
Everything keeps me here. I got no job, no money, unfinished projects and health issues. lol

quote:
But even minor moves have had an echo, if I look at degrees and Sabian Symbols

That's interesting. I can't ever interpret them. They make zero sense to me. But if they resonate with you, more power to you.

quote:
Btw, have you ever checked transits, progressions or even synastries for your RC? You can pretty much do anything with it, like with a natal, and I'm curious how accurate it is.

Yeah, I've tried playing with transits but they don't really make sense. Natal chart wins over this one. Same goes for synastry, I believe, but it makes more sense already. I can apply it to some degree but I don't put much stock in it.

I'd have to travel to see how it works. Right now I can't really tell.

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posted August 02, 2014 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I am coming to a small conclusion this early in the game..

Good luck with finding a place that reunites all those conditions, woman.
They make sense thou. That's for sure.
That'd be like, the perfect place. Or something close to it.

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posted August 02, 2014 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And this one of the places where I know I wouldn't like to live. I expected a worse chart.


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posted August 03, 2014 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brontex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I got nothing.

After playing around with it for a while the only hits I noticed were one on Chicago (which falls into the "nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there" category) and one on Madrid, which I loath with a passion. (The rest of Spain is cool though.)

I have very few lines passing over major cities anywhere in the world. And the handful that I do seem to be mostly in northern Africa and south eastern Asia.

There are strangely enough lines passing directly over almost every tropical island paradise in the Pacific Ocean. Kinda funny since I'm not really big on beaches. :shrug:

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