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Topic: I guess I'll be the only one who believes this...
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NYCdodger
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posted August 02, 2014 09:27 PM
  
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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
Yeah. A lot of people become who they want to be. Like if I wanted to be a life of the party type of person I could change myself to be that, but sooner or later my moon is gonna lasso me in lol. The person you want to project is the ascendant, but I can see how for a lot of people who you are and who you want to be can become blurred. Like those personality tests you take yourself... Seems like a lot of the time people answer them as the person they want to be rather than who they really are.
Another reason why I say rising signs are more important is because of *drumrolls* horoscope...Knowing where the planets are right now is important. And you need to know where your houses are. Right now Jupiter and the Sun are in the 7th house. And in the past few weeks all of my old relationships and unfinished businesses have been resolved. I recently just reconnected with one of my soulmates. And I just formed a new partnership that is helping me in my career. (Saturn and Mars are in my tenth house right now). So I'm not just saying its important because I "like" it. If the Sun was more important, then that means everyone born between May 21-June 21 will basically share the same exact natal chart and housing system regardless of the exact time and place they were born..
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NYCdodger
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posted August 02, 2014 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
I do think rising sign has a huge impact on your life. It seems like its one of the most important things governing your life pattern. I just think that your sun is your ego, who you are. The house your sun is in most likely shows how you express your personality or use it. Is your sun in the 7th house or 6th house? With both these placements you might not feel like the sun is really you, but rather you are here to give to others. You said you want to share yourself. That sounds very much like sun in the 6th or 7th house. In the 6th house you would want to be of service and help others. In the 7th you want to share yourself with another person in a love or friend relationship. Either way, you feel fulfilled when you give rather than express.
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CatMote
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posted August 02, 2014 09:48 PM
I have sun in aries in the 7th house with libra asc.
while i have very libran qualities, when people really get to know me my sun sign traits still shine through.
this leads me to believe that personally, my sun is much more true and personal to who i "really" am.
i do understand where you are coming from however. i think this has to do with individual cases because every person has a choice, i believe people who have delved into astrology know what choice they are choosing. ------------------
"Perhaps there are new plateaus to reach, even greater heights to which I must ascend." IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted August 02, 2014 09:55 PM
Weeeellll.... It's like the whole chicken and the egg thing.
I'm not sure that one is really MORE important, necessarily, in the context that we're talking about. Yes, the asc sets up the houses and the angles.
BUT... Ok. I have Venus, Mars, and Mercury in Virgo, in 12.
Lets say there was no houses. So I just have those planets in that sign with no direction.
Lets say there was no planets. So I just have houses with no planets to activate them. The sun, or Mercury, or moon, or whatever COULD influence my chart the most. (Mercury is my strongest planet on Pullen)
Without it, my 12th would be MUCH MUCH different house. I would be a MUCH MUCH different person.
So would I be if there were no houses that pointed to areas of life that these planets affected so deeply. IP: Logged |
NYCdodger
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posted August 02, 2014 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Weeeellll.... It's like the whole chicken and the egg thing.
I'm not sure that one is really MORE important, necessarily, in the context that we're talking about. Yes, the asc sets up the houses and the angles.
BUT... Ok. I have Venus, Mars, and Mercury in Virgo, in 12.
Lets say there was no houses. So I just have those planets in that sign with no direction.
Lets say there was no planets. So I just have houses with no planets to activate them. The sun, or Mercury, or moon, or whatever COULD influence my chart the most. (Mercury is my strongest planet on Pullen)
Without it, my 12th would be MUCH MUCH different house. I would be a MUCH MUCH different person.
So would I be if there were no houses that pointed to areas of life that these planets affected so deeply.
So my question to you is this. What's more important, knowing your planets, or knowing your houses?? 12 houses(signs), multiple planets, and 4 angles that joins them altogether. I don't want you guys thinking I'm trying to put one sign over another. I would literally have to sit here and write essays upon essays to explain to you why I believe the rising sign is more important in my life as well as the lives I've seen.
And to the girl above me, I can definitely understand what you're saying. Everyone has that planet that they feel they associate themselves with. My the angles are energetic points. It becomes different. All I'm saying is that the rising sign is more than what meets the eye
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DeepFreeze
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posted August 02, 2014 10:04 PM
I don't think one is more important. OR, if you are determined to say that one is then I think each chart needs looked at for the angles, configurations, rulership, situation of the chart ruler, etc.
Case by case basis.
And you do have asc opposite sun, at least by sign. Maybe you feel a push/pull more than others who's asc and sun are more in tune with each other, even the same sign. IP: Logged |
NYCdodger
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posted August 02, 2014 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I don't think one is more important. OR, if you are determined to say that one is then I think each chart needs looked at for the angles, configurations, rulership, situation of the chart ruler, etc.
Case by case basis.
And you do have asc opposite sun, at least by sign. Maybe you feel a push/pull more than others who's asc and sun are more in tune with each other, even the same sign.
Yeah. I said any planet touching the ASC will bring it out more because it's touching the house of identity. But like i said, this isn't just me and my chart lol
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Gabby
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posted August 02, 2014 11:23 PM
Ascendant is the mask you wear or the role you play as you go about being yourself in the world, it's the filter through which you see the world and the world sees you.
It's personal in the way that you want to have that appearance of your ascendant.
It's like your vehicle, you love your vehicle your proud of it, keep it clean, taken care of and make sure it makes the right impression, one that lets everyone see who you are and what your all about.
But what's inside the vehicle is the real you, you've probably cried at times, fallen in love, taken long trips with your best friends and maybe even wrecked a few times....you can hide all those events behind the 'image' but once you get past the image you find all the emotions and experiences that make up the real you. And even though you can fix the damage on the cars exterior .....but the scars inside remain until we can deal with them.
The ascendant can temporarily hide our scars, our more vulnerable tender places can hide behind that mask we put on. It's not fake, it's just a natural way of being and protecting ourselves.
So yes it's part of us, a very important part....the part that protects us from being to exposed and gives us a face to hide behind when it's tough to put it all out there.IP: Logged |
BellaFenice
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From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium
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posted August 02, 2014 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
i think the concept of draconic chart aligning to natal chart fit more. Also depending on a chart, people like me have stelliums. I also have empty first house. My draconic sun is taurus but whenever I see a taurus, Im like: "Im an aqua." 
That is a really interesting point! I finally looked at my draconic and what do you know: Pisces Sun 13 degrees
Aries Moon 0 degrees <<<- This explains my compensation for being fire void!!
Venus Aqua 29 degrees
Cap ASC 29 degrees Interesting topic that I need to explore more. The critical degrees...hmmm....
Anyways, I have a 1st house stellium so there is a lot of different energies I have to (or fail to, lolol) control. Because the house of 1st is "I am," people pick up on my 1st house stellium first rather than my Aqua Sun. NYC, you have a point about what people see in you, because seriously everyone assumes I am a fire sign when really I am a Aqua with a Cap stellium. So...I feel my purpose is to gain leadership, independence, and confidence through being guided (Sun) by Aquarian ideals and motifs. Is one more important than the other? No, at least I don't think so. You can't have one without the other: they both coexist as a means to guide our lives. I've always felt ASC is more external and Sun is more internal. Sun is the deeper level, our karmic shaping we will undergo. The rising sign is how we express ourselves, appearance, and how others see you; BUT the ASC can be influenced by the Sun as many of you have expressed. Another food for thought: I've read that as you age you become more of your Sun sign than your ASC. Could be connected to working towards our purpose on earth and becoming more aligned with the person we strive to become. quote:
I'd rather be a Leo than an Aquarius
BOOOOOOOO!!!!!! AQUA>Leo*. You wish you were as cool as me! lolololol  *but I secretly wish I was a Leo IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted August 02, 2014 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by CatMote:
I have sun in aries in the 7th house with libra asc.
while i have very libran qualities, when people really get to know me my sun sign traits still shine through.
this leads me to believe that personally, my sun is much more true and personal to who i "really" am.
i do understand where you are coming from however. i think this has to do with individual cases because every person has a choice, i believe people who have delved into astrology know what choice they are choosing.
if you think about your typical day, you likely encounter strangers more often than friends. that would, imo, make the ASC more important in the sense that it is what *most* people will come to know about you. you won't be displaying your Sun sign for the whole world each and every day, that is something that does come about for yourself, with friends/family, or as people come to know you better. the Sun is more personally important, but the ASC is more powerfully important because it impacts how people see us right off. the lucky people are the ones with a ASC/Sun that match - they are very authentic people and don't have the luxury of a mask.
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arcturiann
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posted August 03, 2014 01:54 AM
I think that its definitely going to relate to aspects that you have to the ascendant and other planets in your chart. When I think in your case NYCdodger I know that you have NN conjunct ascendant and that makes your ascendant a big deal! People who have no planets on the angles or aspects to the ascendant probably don't relate as much to it. I know a lot of people who do feel like their ascendant is just a mask and doesn't really represent them as a person very clearly. Personally I have always identified more with my ascendant since I learned of it... I have sun opposite my ascendant and 3 planets in the 1st house with the NN as well and it makes all the difference.When I think about my ascendant I think of it as its my overall persona, like when I read about capricorns, i'm like "thats me", the reason I got into astrology to begin with was because I never identified with the descriptions of my sun sign, it just doesn't ring as true to me. I think the MC/IC angle is just as important and telling as well, but in a more subconscious way. Overall though despite how one feels about their ascendant personally, it is definitely more important than sun or moon positions as it sets up the entire house system that dictates which house your sun or moon and all the other planets are and your entire life in terms of how you go about through physical existence, which is a huge deal despite whether or not you identify with your ascendant as your persona or see it more like a mask. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted August 03, 2014 08:20 AM
I must also be put on the "disagree" list.The position of the Asc does not alter the definition of the Sun/Moon character,but does influence the expression. IP: Logged |
charlie
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posted August 03, 2014 08:38 AM
Asc (the way i am) Virgo-analytical to a fault, service minded and changeable/mercurial
IC (the way my family sees me) Scorpio-mysterious, deep and very private
MC (the way world sees me) Taurus-likes nice things, earthy, stubborn, a loner
Dsc (the way I am in relationships) Pisces-slippery, dreamy, vague, an idealist that swims far away beyond reach
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NYCdodger
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posted August 03, 2014 03:37 PM
Some of you guys are not understanding what im trying to say...I never said the ascendant "alters" your Sun and it's meaning. The sun is your primal masculine principle. It's purpose it to integrate and give your soul a conscience. BUT the 4 points that divides the 12 houses will pinpoint the ENERGY that manifests your soul, beginning with the rising sign. The planets are guides, the houses are stations. Your ASC DIRECTLY begins the 1st house. The house of the I AM. Houses are not influenced by planets...planets are influenced by houses. Everyone has every sign influencing their lives, because everyone has 12 houses. Some of you guys are saying that I'm biased towards my rising. Let me explain that I never once cared for it. Just like how some are biased towards their Sun and their moon or blah blah blah.. The thing with me is I'm basing things off of facts in my life. I'm not trying to preach a gospel truth. Astrology is not a religion, I'm just sharing my own experiences.. IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted August 03, 2014 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Some of you guys are not understanding what im trying to say...Houses are not influenced by planets...planets are influenced by houses.
well, i for one, really don't understand this part?
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florence
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posted August 03, 2014 05:32 PM
i dont care for my asc even tho its scorpio and can see what you mean. i do feel it strongly .. but sun is opp asc ... and a certain safety and pleasure within the scorpio nature but beyond that the reputation of the sign has less richness to me than my sun known for its dullness so i do not aspire for it to be central, tho am glad of the balance. when younger i wanted to be scorpio when i only had basic astrology knowledge. now i dont but it feels more in the bones. not sure this argues much the case but certainly sun and moon playing out of asc resonates IP: Logged | |
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