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Mercurian Intellect
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posted August 07, 2014 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Detriment means that the planet is the furthest away from it's natural state (or as Vedic Astrology would say, it's "home"), so it will generally be weaker, and seem to not work toward the path of that particular planet, but rather go it's own way, depending on that particular detriment placement, according to my theory.
It differs from debilitated (fall) in a sense that the planet in debilitation "cannot" work well with the planet's energies, or at least have a lot of trouble and struggle to maintain the planet’s purpose, as opposed to to planet in detriment, which "will not", as it has it’s own way of dealing with the situation, which isn't (or pretty much the opposite) the particular planet’s ideal utilization of it’s energy for the solution.
A Keyword to attribute for the differentiation of the two dignities are “confliction” with Debilitated, and “opposition” with Detriment.

What do you think?

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posted August 07, 2014 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Detriment means that the planet is the furthest away from it's natural state (or as Vedic Astrology would say, it's "home"), so it will generally be weaker, and seem to not work toward the path of that particular planet, but rather go it's own way, depending on that particular detriment placement, according to my theory.
It differs from debilitated (fall) in a sense that the planet in debilitation "cannot" work well with the planet's energies, or at least have a lot of trouble and struggle to maintain the planet’s purpose, as opposed to to planet in detriment, which "will not", as it has it’s own way of dealing with the situation, which isn't (or pretty much the opposite) the particular planet’s ideal utilization of it’s energy for the solution.
A Keyword to attribute for the differentiation of the two dignities are “confliction” with Debilitated, and “opposition” with Detriment.

What do you think?


What is venus in scorpio then? In detriment?
I know my venus is weak, but it works fine for me, cause it is only nice aspected… I have never had trouble with finding love, or love that lasts, it is only myself who is the real problem

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posted August 07, 2014 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
What is venus in scorpio then? In detriment?
I know my venus is weak, but it works fine for me, cause it is only nice aspected… I have never had trouble with finding love, or love that lasts, it is only myself who is the real problem

Yes, Venus in Scorpio is in detriment.

Right, well I don't see Astrology as karmic. It would be how you are that scares people away from those traits that are from that specific placement. But in your case, you haven't had trouble finding love. So there's no need to worry about your detriment then... if love is the only thing you care about with what Venus represents, then you're good.

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posted August 07, 2014 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Supreme cT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmm makes sense, Now how about if a planet in debilitation gets aspected by another planet that rules or co-rules the planet thats debilitated like me for example, my mars is in cancer so BAYUM! its debilitated BUT my pluto is in scorpio in its home and pluto is co-ruler of mars and it tightly trines my mars almost less than 1 degree,

i have no problem with going for what i want or being competitive BUT i should have problems there since my mars is debilitated,I think aspects to a detrimental/debilitated planet are "more" important and more welcoming of the helping energy from other aspects to help it function normally

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posted August 07, 2014 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Saturn is in detriment, leo Saturn but it's in the 10th house, it's aspects are trine Sun/Merc/Neptune and sextile AC/Pluto....but it's also square scorp Uranus, is it seriously in trouble?

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posted August 07, 2014 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Supreme cT:
hmm makes sense, Now how about if a planet in debilitation gets aspected by another planet that rules or co-rules the planet thats debilitated like me for example, my mars is in cancer so BAYUM! its debilitated BUT my pluto is in scorpio in its home and pluto is co-ruler of mars and it tightly trines my mars almost less than 1 degree,

i have no problem with going for what i want or being competitive BUT i should have problems there since my mars is debilitated,I think aspects to a detrimental/debilitated planet are "more" important and more welcoming of the helping energy from other aspects to help it function normally


Yes, I agree... although I wouldn't say completely function normally in terms of a detriment placement, which is rather functioning accommodatingly. But with a debilitated placement, yeah. Especially in your case, since it's not only Scorpio's co-ruling planet, but also since they are both water signs and trine.

I would think that since your domicile Pluto is in Mars's co-ruling sign; Scorpio, aspecting your debilitated Mars in general will make it feel more at home or natural... or as you put it, "welcoming", and also a bit strengthened, since it's Scorpio's co-ruling planet, so it's getting a special treatment of domicile dignity. Especially since it's a harmonious aspect like a trine - it will make it function even more smoothly. Although, we still must not forget that it's debilitated nonetheless, so there will still be a bit feeling of uneasiness, or should I say confliction... but again, it will be MUCH smoother.

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posted August 07, 2014 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
My Saturn is in detriment, leo Saturn but it's in the 10th house, it's aspects are trine Sun/Merc/Neptune and sextile AC/Pluto....but it's also square scorp Uranus, is it seriously in trouble?

Actually your Saturn is in co-detriment, as Aquarius is only co-ruled by Saturn. So it's not as detrimental like a full-on detriment placement... like Saturn in Cancer, for example.

And your Saturn being in the 10th House is very good, as it's in it's domicile house. So it's in good dignity as well.
Scorpio Uranus is an exalted Uranus, so that's excellent. And since it's a square, it will make you work harder, and with an eccentric work ethic that is sure to keeps things innovative and transformative for the better. Also since it's trine the planet's sign placement's ruler (Leo); Sun, it will make it run even smoother than just a regular trine... so it's like a double trine, haha, in terms of the interaction with your Sun and Saturn - and that will manifest as a smoother Saturn placement overall as well, because of that special trine of yours.

I personally think Saturn in Leo is an okay placement in general (when it has a positive force counteracting the co-detrimental aspect of it). I think it's a 50-50 placement because the Leo could drive you to work harder to achieve fame and recognition, but then it can also play too many games and not get serious with the task at hand (if you have negative outside forces disabling or afflicting it, or no positive forces at all, which will just make the co-detriment dignity manifest as it usually does, which isn't what the particular planet's energy's does; which is why it's called "detriment" or "co-detriment" to the planet). But in your case, it's pretty good, as you have those positive forces assisting it's co-detriment dignity.

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posted August 07, 2014 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DP - Quoted my post by accident, lol.

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posted August 08, 2014 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*Bump*

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Doux Rêve
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posted August 08, 2014 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes.
I agree with that interpretation. Actually, it was pointed out to me by meyray (another poster on here) who gave a Scorpio Moon vs. Capricorn Moon example. The Scorpio Moon is a very restless one, a "conflicted" one (fall) whereas the Capricorn Moon is more of a "weak" one... So with the Scorpio Moon, it feels like the energy itself is "out to get you" (I quote meyray) (element of hostility almost) while with the Capricorn Moon it's more like a resigned type of thing, there's more passiveness overall.

Of course the signs' ruler planets can explain this also, but still.

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posted August 08, 2014 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^Thanks, Doux
And thank you for replying to my threads, lol.

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posted August 08, 2014 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome, Merc.
Nice to see you post more often.

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