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Topic: Planet - Sign vs House/Aspects
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DeepFreeze
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From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted August 10, 2014 12:44 PM
  
Ok, yes, I am wondering about something in my own chart. Which, I'll provide as example. This has to due with the way that a house and aspects color a planet.
Looking at my pullen chart and etc. Ok, so in my case. Virgo Venus
In the 12th house (Pisces / Neptune)
ONLY aspect is square Neptune (3rd / Sag) So HOW Virgo is my Venus then?
Would it be at least equally strong in Pisces? It's tough for me to separate this out. Does anyone else have a planet like this, OR, have you had a friend or romantic partner that had such a planet and you were surprised that it didn't act like that sign at all. But the house/aspect instead..? Like I said, I'm unable to recognize it in myself so it's tough for me to say. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted August 10, 2014 01:18 PM
For you I'd say more Venus in Virgo. Venus in Pisces generally attracts a lot of people into your life, they can be unreliable, party type people and you don't mind being around them even though they are kinda lame and just Beavis and Butthead-like. You don't seem like the type that likes to be in that type of environment to me. You seem much more one on one with someone you care about. Venus in Pisces is more about connecting with a lot of people all at once.
I do not get the Venus in Pisces vibe from you. IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
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From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
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posted August 10, 2014 01:19 PM
You wouldn't get that vibe though SSS. I would because we love each other. He's definitely a lot more mushy than people think. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 10, 2014 01:24 PM
Venus in Pisces isn't that mushy. Like I said, it's about parties and accepting ppl and he doesn't seem like that type...more one on one relationship with you. Having a one on one relationship with Venus in Pisces would be difficult...from what I have seen...so you should be glad he is more like Venus in Virgo. Remember Venus in Libra is the sign of partnership. In Pisces it's more about loving a lot of people at once and being surrounded by them. It would drive most people crazy if they are trying to be in a serious relationship with someone. It might be alright for the one who has Venus in Pisces because they get all this love and attention. Right? So what I am getting at here is Venus in Pisces could be a bit overrated... IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
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From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
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posted August 10, 2014 01:55 PM
Pisces is dreamy. Venus in Pisces is dreamy. A Venus in Pisces would have this dream partner that he creates in his head. One that is just that, a dream. He wants this perfect, dreamy love, the type of love that is mostly read about in fairytales. Venus in Pisces date a lot because they aren't satisfied, they aren't getting what they envision to be perfect. Pisces are often very reserved and to them themselves. It's similar to Virgo IMO. I've never met a party animal Pisces lol. I think it'd be difficult for a person who doesn't have similar energy in their chart. His Venus is in 12th though and he is similar to a Venus in Pisces. I feel it because I too am 12th house dominant and Pisces dominant like he is. My Venus is also in Scorpio and I feel things that others wouldn't. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted August 10, 2014 02:01 PM
I have a lot of twelfth house activity but it's a bit different than just having planets in Pisces. It's more about what a Pisces does while Pisces energy is that receptive, accepting energy and they accept a lot of people into their lives. So, if you have planets in twelve, you are more likely to not be a partier because the fish kinda sits in a bowl and watches without really being part of it and yeah I do that most the time just because I have this fear of being a part of it...like the fish fears air because it cannot breathe so it just sits in the water. I can relate well to that metaphor. The Piscean energy itself is really receptive which I am not that receptive toward others and it doesn't seem like DF, from how he is on here, is super receptive like Pisces, either. It doesn't mean he isn't receptive to you, his partner. That is more a Venus/Libra thing. IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
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posted August 10, 2014 02:14 PM
It's not drastically different, the Pisces would be more out there. Anything he writes about us is always mushy, lovey and romantic, he's extremely receptive with me. He definitely is Pisces/Neptune influenced. He's found what he's always wanted which is very Piscean/Virgoan. All I'm saying is that I feel that. I see that. You don't see what a person loves or likes unless you're the person receiving it. I don't get where you are getting that ViP is a partier? What does love and what a person likes in general(when it comes to someone they're interested in) and romantically have to do with going to or liking parties? IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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From: In my 1st house Uranus and Neptune
Registered: May 2011
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posted August 10, 2014 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
It's not drastically different, the Pisces would be more out there. Anything he writes about us is always mushy, lovey and romantic, he's extremely receptive with me. He definitely is Pisces/Neptune influenced. He's found what he's always wanted which is very Piscean/Virgoan. All I'm saying is that I feel that. I see that. You don't see what a person loves or likes unless you're the person receiving it. I don't get where you are getting that ViP is a partier? What does love and what a person likes in general and romantically have to do with liking parties?
Do you find him to be self-sacrificing ? IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
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posted August 10, 2014 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Do you find him to be self-sacrificing ?
Very much so. He'd die for me. We both would. IP: Logged |
PisceanDream
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From: Alexandria, VA, USA
Registered: Jun 2014
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posted August 10, 2014 02:41 PM
I would say a 12th house Venus in Virgo native is more Neptunian than Piscean. I think there's a difference here and that is to say that the person manifests Virgoan(Virgoic? Lol idk) energy through a Neptunian funnel. For example, their carefulness, precision, seriousness, and willingness to please in matters of love are done so privately, very ethereally, very sentimentally, magically even. You said he can be mushy and writes sweetly about you. That's his way of expressing his willingness to please and his observance in love, in Neptunian ways. Since, I've read somewhere, you guys have 12th house synastry that means that you tap into a side of him that isn't accessed by others which is why he is that way especially with/to you. And you have probably experienced the superlative of his Neptunian Venus in Virgo.A Venus in Pisces nature is different. We are not precise, serious, careful, and detail-oriented when it comes to love. We look at the greater whole.. We want to fall in love with the world. At least that's how I feel... I want to merge with people unconditionally. Yes, we have an ideal partner and not many people fit our criteria but we are hard to pin down not only because of that but because we feel the need to spread this great transcendental love indefinitely which is why we have an "ideal" partner because we know that it is impossible to be in love with everything and everyone. So we want our ideal lover to be someone who literally feels like world consciousness to us. Someone who is just as transcendental as the love we want to give. We have many partners and can have feelings for more than one person because it is in our nature to do that. Finding ONE person who feels like planet earth, who feels like everyone is a task. That's why they would be considered "ideal". Venus in Virgo nature is not like that which is why I say he expresses his Virgo love (focused, singular, careful) through Neptunian ways: unconditionally, poetically, deeply, spiritually. All in all, there is some similarity due to the underlying themes between them but the nature in and attitude towards love is totally different. Sorry for the long post. Hope this makes sense. IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
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From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
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posted August 10, 2014 02:56 PM
If that's the cause then why are the both of us, DeepFreeze and myself Pisces dominant(my 2nd and his 3rd), when we have no Pisces in our charts other than 12th house placements? Why isn't Neptune a top planet for us? They all work together as one. Pisces would be the purest of them all but they're all nonetheless similar, almost identical. I think it's because the house is the most important! It influences the most, next the sign of that house and then your sign. IP: Logged |
BellaFenice
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From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted August 10, 2014 03:22 PM
I think that makes sense. I have a lot of Cap planets in my first house, but people tend to pick up Aries energy on me instead. So I'm obviously still Cap, but hopefully less boring and more daring.  For example, SSS, said I came off stubborn, which is very true and Aries-like. BTW, SSS, are you a Virgo? I feel like your blunt honestly is very Virgo-like (not that I'm mad, I laughed at your honesty). IP: Logged |
WarriorPrincess7
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From: Island of Sirens
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 10, 2014 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Pisces is dreamy. Venus in Pisces is dreamy. A Venus in Pisces would have this dream partner that he creates in his head. One that is just that, a dream. He wants this perfect, dreamy love, the type of love that is mostly read about in fairytales. Venus in Pisces date a lot because they aren't satisfied, they aren't getting what they envision to be perfect. Pisces are often very reserved and to them themselves. It's similar to Virgo IMO. I've never met a party animal Pisces lol. I think it'd be difficult for a person who doesn't have similar energy in their chart. His Venus is in 12th though and he is similar to a Venus in Pisces. I feel it because I too am 12th house dominant and Pisces dominant like he is. My Venus is also in Scorpio and I feel things that others wouldn't.
lool i remember you telling me that my venus in the 8th isnt the same as venus in scorp and obviously isnt because sign is stronger. Im a venus in pisces and hell no i dont get venus in pisces from DF lol you said sign was stronger and now house is stronger? I am confused, i wanna know too
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Barbiegirl19
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posted August 10, 2014 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by WarriorPrincess7:
lool i remember you telling me that my venus in the 8th isnt the same as venus in scorp and obviously isnt because sign is stronger. Im a venus in pisces and hell no i dont get venus in pisces from DFlol you said sign was stronger and now house is stronger? I am confused, i wanna know too
I'm still learning...like you and everyone here who isn't a professional. You and everybody here don't get him or see him the way I do, it's in the 12th, that speaks for itself. I said the house is more influential(because that's the way it seems), the sign that rules that house and then your sign. You're still not a Scorpio Venus like he isn't a Pisces Venus. I'm not saying that Virgo isn't there because it is but it's also 12th/Pisces/Neptune influenced. It's different when you're heavy of that house than a person who isn't. IP: Logged |
WarriorPrincess7
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From: Island of Sirens
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posted August 10, 2014 03:47 PM
Ah , thanks for clarifying!  IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
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posted August 10, 2014 03:57 PM
Well... I'm just watching everything.  I will say this though. Barbie does make a very very valid point in that my Venus is in 12th.
I'm extremely secretive. I've had relationships that my family never really even knew about.
I give enough of myself to seem 100% open, but I'm not really. I only look like I'm open. But anyway... I think astrology is extremely complicated. I may seem Venus Virgo sometimes and other times I may seem completely Pisces. Depending on the who, the when, The why... But I didn't know of there was any pattern.
Earlier there was a thread about moons in houses and everyone was on board, now, they're not.
I find that odd. IP: Logged |
PisceanDream
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From: Alexandria, VA, USA
Registered: Jun 2014
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posted August 10, 2014 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
If that's the cause then why are the both of us, DeepFreeze and myself Pisces dominant(my 2nd and his 3rd), when we have no Pisces in our traits other than 12th house placements? They all work together as one. Pisces would be the purest of them all but they're all nonetheless similar, almost identical. Edit Why isn't Neptune a top dominant planet?
Aries is my 2nd dominant and I have no planets in Aries but that's because I have a 1st house stellium and Mars is closest to my ASC. Is the *way I present* my energy Martian/Arian? Probably, but it is much more Martian because my soft, dreamy Piscean traits are displayed in a forceful, in your face, assertive way. My nature is NOT Arian. I am NOT like Aries in my assertion (even though Mars is my most dominant) but I present my Piscean self like Aries in which case I have some Arian undertones. This was my point so I'm not sure what you mean by "if that's the case" seeing as I did not infer that there is nothing Piscean about the placement. I did, however, say that it is MORE Neptunian than Piscean which is a valid statement seeing as I have a similar predicament in my chart. To support my idea, would you consider yourself Jupiterian/Saggitarian (if we equivocate energy with planet) also? Pisces is also considered to be co-ruled by Jupiter, no? If we looked at the influence by sign it would be confusing for a sign that is co-ruled like Aquarius, Pisces, Scorpio. But if you look by planetary ruler of the house then the confusion is minimized as to how a certain placement manifests in a certain house ruled by a certain planet. Yes, they all work together but I view Pisces (and all signs) more as an energy while Neptune (and all planets) as the womb of that energy and the 12th house (and all houses) as the space in which they function. But I would not go so far as to say they are almost identical. Moon in Aqua in the 4th is quite different than Moon in Cancer, and I think we can certainly agree on that simply because the "approach" is different. As for why Neptune is not a dominant of yours. I am not sure. I don't know all your placements, aspects, etc. I hope I make sense or that you see where I am coming from... This is just my opinion though. IP: Logged |
Supreme cT
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From: NJ
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted August 10, 2014 04:10 PM
I have to agree that since your venus is getting double whammied by being in the house of pisces combined with the square of neptune that your love style is more venus in pisces especially the fact that you already have other planets in the 12th house so that pisces energy is really activated in your chart i firmly believe house placements/aspects can really change how a planet works, i dont know you personally but you dont seem like a venus in virgo you seem more watery in how you talk about barbie and love lol i can see venus in pisces especially with all the activity in your chart besides im sure its really hard for you and other people who dont kno you intimately to really see the difference considering your mars is in virgo as well IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 10, 2014 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
It's not drastically different, the Pisces would be more out there. Anything he writes about us is always mushy, lovey and romantic, he's extremely receptive with me. He definitely is Pisces/Neptune influenced. He's found what he's always wanted which is very Piscean/Virgoan. All I'm saying is that I feel that. I see that. You don't see what a person loves or likes unless you're the person receiving it. I don't get where you are getting that ViP is a partier? What does love and what a person likes in general(when it comes to someone they're interested in) and romantically have to do with going to or liking parties?
And another thing about Venus in Pisces they can have this insatiable need for love not just from one partner but the need to adored by many, many people. It's like the love faucet is either on or completely off and when it's on they can get lost in the deluge and when it isn't they are thirsting to death.It can be quite overwhelming for them. You can read about their struggles. It doesn't seem like DF has that component to his personality. It's more practical and Virgo-like. Not so much a lamentation.
Since you are Libra, you are describing love through the Libra lens but for Pisces it isn't about one to one partner, it is more about having lots of love or spiritual love, or a complete loss of love or being overwhelmed by it.
Often their one to one partnerships are difficult for them and their other. Venus in Virgo is a bit luckier because they aren't as emotionally needy and they can be happy with their partners without feeling unfulfilled by their partner's love. They don't feel like they always need more than their partner can provide like the Pisces can. I would call it a blessing to have a Venus in Virgo partner if you are looking for a happy, stable relationship, especially for a sign like Libra who are into partnerships more than having numerous disciples.
You could see elements of the Piscean Venus in the twelfth house but the Virgo influence will always be there which makes them more cautious and not so easily led astray by others which sounds like a good thing for Libras.
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WarriorPrincess7
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From: Island of Sirens
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 10, 2014 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
[b]It's not drastically different, the Pisces would be more out there. Anything he writes about us is always mushy, lovey and romantic, he's extremely receptive with me. He definitely is Pisces/Neptune influenced. He's found what he's always wanted which is very Piscean/Virgoan. All I'm saying is that I feel that. I see that. You don't see what a person loves or likes unless you're the person receiving it. I don't get where you are getting that ViP is a partier? What does love and what a person likes in general(when it comes to someone they're interested in) and romantically have to do with going to or liking parties?
And another thing about Venus in Pisces they can have this insatiable need for love not just from one partner but the need to adored by many, many people. It's like the love faucet is either on or completely off and when it's on they can get lost in the deluge and when it isn't they are thirsting to death.It can be quite overwhelming for them. You can read about their struggles. It doesn't seem like DF has that component to his personality. It's more practical and Virgo-like. Not so much a lamentation.
Since you are Libra, you are describing love through the Libra lens but for Pisces it isn't about one to one partner, it is more about having lots of love or spiritual love, or a complete loss of love or being overwhelmed by it.
Often their one to one partnerships are difficult for them and their other. Venus in Virgo is a bit luckier because they aren't as emotionally needy and they can be happy with their partners without feeling unfulfilled by their partner's love. They don't feel like they always need more than their partner can provide like the Pisces can. I would call it a blessing to have a Venus in Virgo partner if you are looking for a happy, stable relationship, especially for a sign like Libra who are into partnerships more than having numerous disciples.
You could see elements of the Piscean Venus in the twelfth house but the Virgo influence will always be there which makes them more cautious and not so easily led astray by others which sounds like a good thing for Libras. [/B][/QUOTE]
you get me lol. What you said about ViP is so true, im like that  IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
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From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
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posted August 10, 2014 04:35 PM
@Pisceandream I didn't mean it aggressively I just made a question out of what you said. That doesn't really answer my question though. Why is it just Pisces and not both as in Neptune and Pisces that are dominant? The only logical explanation that makes sense is the one that I said. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
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posted August 10, 2014 04:38 PM
One thing that is interestingNeptune is I think my 7th strongest, or 5th... I forget.
Pisces is my third after Virgo and Leo, yet I have not one planet, node, vertex, or anything significant in Pisces. So how is that? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 10, 2014 04:40 PM
It seems like Venus in Pisces is comfortable with stuff that makes other people squirm...like waves and waves of love, admiration and compliments and such. Most people are like wooooaaaah they can't deal with all of it.
From here DF seems way to grounded to be called one. He could be very sweet and romantic with you, BG, which he should be, but any sign can be romantic with their partners because it's Venus's job.
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WarriorPrincess7
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From: Island of Sirens
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posted August 10, 2014 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
One thing that is interestingNeptune is I think my 7th strongest, or 5th... I forget.
Pisces is my third after Virgo and Leo, yet I have not one planet, node, vertex, or anything significant in Pisces. So how is that?
because pisces is your descendant, an important angle. Voila. is it? or occupying your 7th? IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
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From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
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posted August 10, 2014 04:45 PM
Ok SSS I get what you're saying but I don't like being told what I'm feeling and how I'm feeling it, it makes me really angry quite honestly. I'm me and you are you. IP: Logged |
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