posted August 10, 2014 08:41 PM            

I'm unsure of my stance right now.

Do you think it's accurate?

Or does it confuse you and make you question how it's calculated?

posted August 10, 2014 09:37 PM            

But thing is... even I don't know what I think about it anymore, lol.

It kinda makes sense but also doesn't.

posted August 10, 2014 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I suppose you know where I stand already.

But thing is... even I don't know what I think about it anymore, lol.

It kinda makes sense but also doesn't.

And the fact that I can morph into seemingly very different things doesn't help.

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Yeah I actually liked that lilly method using dignities to be honest though it contradicts pullen.

But pullen is used or referred to here by Soooo many people. It'd be kind of funny but also a bit of a shame if we've all (pullen users) been doing it wrong. lol

posted August 10, 2014 09:46 PM            

Personal reasons why:
1.) According to Pullen, Fire is almost pitifully weak in my chart, while Air is my second most dominant. This confuses me, as I have both luminaries in Fire, and only one planet (Mars) in Air.
2.) My dominant sign is apparently Cancer. While I have Jupiter (exalted) here, it's aspects are sort of a mixed bag. My Moon (the dispositor) is exceptionally poorly aspected. On a similar note, my third most dominant sign is supposedly Scorpio. My only planet in Scorpio is Pluto, and all of it's aspects are negative bar a trine to Venus and sextile to my Ascendant.
3.) Virgo - the sign of my Ascendant - is supposedly my weakest sign. This surprises me principally as the second to last is Libra, a sign in which I have literally NOTHING. Likewise, Leo (in which I also have nothing), comes in at number 10.

I could go on, but I think this gives a general idea on my feelings toward Pullen haha

posted August 10, 2014 09:47 PM            

Things aren't as simple as: here's my dominant planet, here's my dominant sign, etc.

We're all multi-faceted beings and use different energies at different moments... So it's really hard, if not impossible, to tell (in my opinion).

Sorry that's kind of a /endthread response.

posted August 10, 2014 09:47 PM            

Maybe something kind of like:

(Saturn + Exalted) + Square + (Pluto) = (1+1) +2 +(1) = A
(Saturn + Exalted) + Conjunct + (Moon + Detriment) = (1+1) +2 +(1+[-2]) = B

A+B = valueSaturn
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But it seems like you'd really need to use subsets of each planet's total aspects within the calculations of each individual aspect.

So then...
(Saturn + Exalted) + Square + (Pluto) = (1+1) +2 +(1) = A
(Saturn + Exalted) + Conjunct + (Moon + Detriment) = (1+1) +2 +(1+[-2]) = B

Would become something like...
(a + b +1) +2 +(1) = A
(a + b +1) +2 +(1+[-2]) = B

A+B = valueSaturn

And means basically everything would need to be calculated at least twice. Once using a placeholder value and again with the total value.
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The part that throws me off the most is the "This is an important part of your psyche!" (or however it's worded) line at the end of the certain verbose aspect descriptions. So I dunno---maybe it does run things two (or more) times. Or maybe it just ranks certain aspects as more important than others based on a predefined list.

Again I'm just making guesses here.

But regardless of how in-depth the algorithm is:

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Things aren't as simple as: here's my dominant planet, here's my dominant sign, etc.

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posted August 10, 2014 09:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I wonder though, does it really matter?

Things aren't as simple as: here's my dominant planet, here's my dominant sign, etc.

We're all multi-faceted beings and use different energies at different moments... So it's really hard, if not impossible, to tell (in my opinion).

Sorry that's kind of a /endthread response.

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posted August 10, 2014 09:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I wonder though, does it really matter?

Things aren't as simple as: here's my dominant planet, here's my dominant sign, etc.

We're all multi-faceted beings and use different energies at different moments... So it's really hard, if not impossible, to tell (in my opinion).

Sorry that's kind of a /endthread response.

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I don't disagree. My point (though admittedly poorly made), is that it's just too formulaic. It doesn't give a full picture (also, I don't think the formulas work so well, but that's beside the point ).

posted August 10, 2014 09:51 PM            

I just pulled up my Pullen delineation and my 2nd dominate sign is Pisces. Number 1 is Libra. So you might be right about the twelfth house, DF.

posted August 10, 2014 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Just because you(we) don't understand how it's calculated doesn't mean it's wrong, it just means that we are ignorant of that area. Just my opinion.

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I can't say I disagree with this. My question is just how much data is really taken into account? The potential number of factors is MASSIVE. I mean, just for example, does a pre-return Saturn aspect have a lesser value than a post-return one?
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ETA: According to his homepage "[he] graduated from the University of Washington in 1992, with a B.S. in Computer Science."

posted August 10, 2014 10:10 PM            

Especially with Brontex's (oh that sounds hard to pronounce) post. D:

The interesting part is... According to Pullen, my dominant planets are Mercury and Saturn (and Pluto) but in the Colorscope thingie they're LAST on the list, lol.

What gives?

Am I Mercurial and Saturnian? Certainly. But I wouldn't say that's all there is to it...

Venus & Chiron are my dominants in the Colorscope, which seems to fit perfectly, too.

. . . *brain fart*

nove,

posted August 10, 2014 10:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Brontex:
with a B.S. in Computer Science."

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posted August 11, 2014 12:03 AM            

For my planets, it lists Mercury, Neptune, Moon, Venus, & Pluto as the top five. This mostly makes since to me, as my other planets are not that strong. Mercury's the ASC ruler, Neptune rules my Sun, Moon and Venus are on angles, and Pluto...it's in it's own sign? it aspects ASC ruler?
What I don't get is why Neptune is higher than Moon & Venus. Other than ruling my Sun and aspecting the ASC, it doesn't do all that much. Maybe the 5th house is a really great place for it? Even so, Moon and Venus are better placed, I think. Venus is even in it's own house. However, I have nothing in Taurus and Libra, but several planets in Pisces, so maybe having planets in the sign a planet rules gives it lots of 'points.'
The elements, signs, and modes make a little more sense for my chart, though.

I also think that whether or not the Pullen thing makes sense for your chart might depend on your chart. For example, if your chart's like mine, and your planets and points are in concentrated areas, then the 'formula' is going to tally things up either one way or the other, and the results might make more sense. But if you've got planets in this sign, but none in that sign's natural house, and everything is not so concentrated, then the Pullen might make less sense at first.

posted August 11, 2014 12:16 AM            

1. Venus
2. Moon
3. Pluto
4. Mercury
5. Neptune

One planet I would have ranked much higher on my own is Jupiter. Pullen puts it # 8 and it's conjunct the ascendant (by less than a degree) and aspects the chart ruler. Pullen ranks Saturn higher and it only trines the sun.

The only one I really do not understand is Pluto. Maybe because it conjuncts the south node? Only thing I can think of.

Top 5 Pullen Signs:

1. Libra
2. Pisces
3. Taurus
4. Scorpio
5. Virgo

The only reason I can think of for Scorpio being ranked so high is moon and Saturn in the eighth house.

Libra at number 1 is very obvious and I would have guessed it on my own.

I don't know if I would have figured out Pisces based solely on the twelfth house but I can see why also my north node is there.

Taurus I would have picked for sure because of the exalted moon, also Saturn.

Virgo I probably would have ranked higher because of sun and Pluto.

Leo is ranked # 6 I would have put it higher, probably because Venus is there.

posted August 11, 2014 01:10 AM            

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Originally posted by SunsetsAndRainyDays:
That number is the rank of their position or aspects, just like how they have the 'Total Rank.'

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posted August 11, 2014 01:39 AM            

Maybe it has to do with 'postive' aspects or something. Like, if there's more trines, less squares it's higher ranked?

Well, no, because Neptune opposes your moon.
So maybe it is because of the aspect to the luminaries. That makes more sense. For me, everything outside my top 4 planets don't aspect either luminary. I also wonder if the aspect rank has anything to do with aspects to the ASC.

So yeah, maybe that's it. Neptune might be ranked 1 in aspects because it strongly aspects your moon. Do your other top planets aspect a luminary?

posted August 11, 2014 01:52 AM            

Saturn has a trine to sun, square to Venus.

posted August 11, 2014 03:30 AM            

It would be strange if Saturn's conj. to the Sun was weighed THAT much more than Jupiter's trine.

posted August 11, 2014 06:25 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:

Or does it confuse you and make you question how it's calculated?

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^This.

The fact that Astro.com's Colorscope is completely different on my dominants than my Pullen calculation is quite illogical, in my opinion (except Venus, which is in 2nd place instead of 1st). Like it has no sort of basis... or at least a considerate basis that makes sense Especially my Mercury being all the way in the last few planets in the Colorscope, instead of 3rd place like in Pullen) - (even Mercury in 3rd place in Pullen is quite odd, as I think it should be in 2nd or 1st place, considering that I have the luminaries in the mercurian signs and their dispositor; Mercury, in it's own house; the 3rd House).

posted August 11, 2014 06:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
^This.

Especially the fact that Astro.com's Colorscope is completely different on my dominants than my Pullen calculation(except Venus, which is in 2nd place instead of 1st, and Mercury being all the way in the last few planets in the Colorscope, instead of 3rd place like in Pullen).

I think the Colorscope is more of how your personality is perceived by others and open expression of it, while the Pullen is how your personality is internally, and how you feel within.

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That makes a lot of sense! That's really good.

Mars trumps everything in my colorscope. Based just on here at LL I could go with that. lol
I either come across aggressive or cause people to react aggressive it seems. It's annoying. Plus some things in real life. Mars on my asc and Pluto. I've had the opposite sex get a little aggressive with me in their pursuit.

posted August 11, 2014 06:41 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
That makes a lot of sense! That's really good.

Mars trumps everything in my colorscope. Based just on here at LL I could go with that. lol
I either come across aggressive or cause people to react aggressive it seems. It's annoying. Plus some things in real life. Mars on my asc and Pluto. I've had the opposite sex get a little aggressive with me in their pursuit.

I like that thinking though.
Because to MEEEEEEE... Mercury drives me effing bonkers!! Which is pullen #1.

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Thanks

posted August 11, 2014 06:43 AM            

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http://www.astrolog.org/ftp/Helpfile.540. It's only a 16 year-old algorithm (based on a 34 year-old algorithm). And apparently this somehow explains how it all works. Have fun digging through a giant block of unformatted gibberish.

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posted August 11, 2014 06:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Brontex:
@Mercurian Intellect

Here's the source material: http://mupele.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/manual-of-computer-programming-for-astr ologers.pdf. like I said---have fun.

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