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NeptunianSag
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posted August 14, 2014 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NeptunianSag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you react if someone has lied to you? Even if its a simple white lie, It really annoys me, even the little things like that. Like, why is it so hard for people to tell the truth? I'm a sag mercury trine mars, Sag NN + sun in 3rd and love calling people out on their bullcrap. Even if it's the small things, I appreciate honesty so much (Honesty to yourself mainly)

If you can't even be honest with yourself, your just going to get yourself into more bullcrap untill your life is confusing and full of problems (in my opinion) I have seen this happen, when people are not honest with themselves or others, problems just build up. I'd rather be hurt over the truth and move on than live a miserable lie. I guess, this is how i've been living recently, i'm on a search for my own truth.

Sometimes I feel like a scorpio digging the truth out.

Thoughts on honesty?

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violet7887
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posted August 14, 2014 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for violet7887     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very very important.

I totally feel you with that.I was actually saying this to someone today. I appreciate honesty in other's so so much. And it is something that grows with time. Ive only been learning to look for it more and more in others because I realize how important it is to me.

The truth shall set you free

I have nothing in sag though.

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Supreme cT
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posted August 14, 2014 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Supreme cT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I value honesty from a person the most if you cant be honest with me and tell it like it is i lose respect for you i literally dont care how bad something can be or is if you honestly tell me it i feel 100% better than if being lied to! i cant stand it i tell people this all the time and i prove it to them by being honest as well most people laugh at how honest i can be at times i cant help it i really feel like the truth really does set you free Sag mercury/venus/NN and sun in 9th

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PixieJane
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posted August 14, 2014 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It depends on the person (how close we are, etc) and the sitch. White lies don't bother me so much (most of the time) unless I asked, in which case I want an honest answer, even if it's too late for me to do anything about it. (I don't understand all the people who say "I don't tolerate liars or fake people" and then try to make people who are honest and sincere feel bad for not being fake and lying for them or even to them, and it seems a lot are this way to me! I'm guessing it's either robotic, that is they've been programmed by such a society and haven't thought through what they're doing, or because they demand lies then they must hide the fact by making false claims of demanding honesty so that their lies aren't caught so easily.)

If I ask someone if this looks fine for where we're going and they say it does to spare my feelings (like WTF, you think I want to be coddled like a child and watch me mess up because of your "sweet" lie?) and it's not then I'm not happy with them for having lied to me (though in this case I'll probably consider it spineless rather than malicious, but I won't be asking them for an honest opinion again). I recall someone saying the spices & peppers I used in my cooking were fine (as I was willing to tone it down for her as I often do for others) and when she was having a hard time and her sinuses running I didn't feel any sympathy for her. I wasn't asking for an ego boost by false praise, I was asking so I could cook her something she'd enjoy, and I was annoyed she'd lied to me. It really was her fault, not mine, for lying to me.

I used to belong to a board where writers would criticize each other's writing (to be helpful, flamers, especially those without anything useful to say, didn't last long) and I loved it. But we'd have people who joined who'd often put up terrible, terrible trash (everything from readability to just plot holes you could fly a Lear jet through) and if anyone tried to help they'd have a total meltdown and leave after a tantrum. For that reason many wouldn't help them and thought the reason their writing sucked so bad was because they refused to accept even the kindest suggestions. And we didn't understand it as the forum clearly stated it was to get criticism in order to improve.

In contrast, I not only made eager use of it but later collected several beta readers who'd critique everything from my grammar to flow, characters to plot, and I dropped those who just praised me because that was useless. I needed those who helped me make it better so I could improve myself, and even so I wouldn't be embarrassed by it later. And I didn't feel better by praise given "just because," but when those who criticized my work gave praise it meant a lot to me because it wasn't cheap. And when I won another fan award (even got a pin that was mailed to me as a prize once) I was grateful for those who had helped me improve my writing with their honesty. (That said, such critiques weren't cruel, they were honest and typically came with suggestions.)

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PixieJane
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posted August 14, 2014 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not certain about what's going on with other people, but I suspect Sags, and those like me with a strong Sag stellium, generally have thicker skins (a couple of Sags I know who are more fragile have placements that I think explain it). They tend to be honest and assertive and appreciate others being the same, and (unlike an actual bully) find it difficult to understand why others aren't. They also consider coddling someone as demeaning rather than kind, similar to patting them on the head and talking to them in a sing song voice reserved for little children.

In contrast, as best as I can figure it, many others feel very vulnerable to being judged harshly and/or excluded so that they feel constantly watched, judged, talked about behind their backs, etc. Some of them frequently assume this is the case when it's not at all, are pretty much paranoid about it at the best of times...and when anything is said to them that's less than gushing praise then in it stokes their fears and insecurities so that they feel as if they were attacked rather than treated as an adult. Heck, just asking a question makes them feel as if they're under a microscope, being judged, and ready to lash out in response as they can't handle the stress.

And these people would really hate Sags, both for seeming self-confident next to them (so that they feel worse, but then what doesn't make them feel worse?) as well as for not coddling them...especially as Sags would then be inclined to judge them as they feared (so that it was a self-fulfilling prophecy to the one so insecure), get alienated by or angry at their paranoid nonsense, or even make fun of them (metaphorically poking them with a stick to see if they have another meltdown as their insecurities are so silly, even to the point of being unbelievable).

And naturally people tend to think they're the standard, that is if they're not bothered by honesty then they assume no one else is either, whereas those who are feel those who are honest are willfully cruel, or at least boorish, feel that Sag is knowingly as cruel as they imagine. (That said, I'm also amazed by how many feel as if they alone have problems and that everyone else is doing good so easily.)

I do see more at work than just astrology, but I have observed the above quite a bit.

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ScarlettO'Hara
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posted August 14, 2014 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScarlettO'Hara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I have 4 planets in 9th house in Sagittarius. And I hate lies and people who lie. If a person lied and I get to know about it I'd let them know the disappointment. And if the lie was genuine or the situation tells the person to lie, I'd forgive them after days.
But if the person is "just lying" then I stop talking to them. I stop hanging out with them. I'll talk to them if the situation arises but will keep in mind the "liar aspect". Will not believe them. It annoys me. The first thing I like and notice about people is "honesty"!

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