posted August 18, 2014 09:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
They tend to attract "psychos."
Actually most guys that were attracted to me at some point had either Moon/Pluto or Venus/Pluto (or in Scorpio/8H) and well, I'm far from being the most stable person emotionally speaking. I wouldn't say I'm a killer thou.

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posted August 18, 2014 09:53 PM            

Descendant in Scorpio.
Sun conjunct Pluto.
Mercury conjunct Venus.
Mars (1st degree Sagittarius) conjunct Pluto.
Mars conjunct descendant.
Pluto conjunct descendant.
Venus conjunct Jupiter.
Pluto is my 7th house ruler.
Mars is on the cusp of my 7th house.

my last guy (Taurus Sun, Taurus Moon with Moon opposite Pluto in Scorpio) actually said those exact words "You're dangerous" before using his Venus-Uranus opposition to cut me out of his life completely.

posted August 19, 2014 05:17 AM            

Did you check out if the woman had anything in common and or if the synastries showed anything in common?

posted August 19, 2014 05:30 AM            

Then again..

Do you ever get the feeling that you can rationalize anything? I mean, once you get the idea to look for something 'psycho' in another person, you'll probably find something. Or you can rationalize a 'psycho' person's actions until they seem pretty reasonable.

posted August 19, 2014 11:12 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Why would that be so for the men but not the women?Interesting how things play out differently in the genders.

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Because the women would have to have Sun/Mars in aspect to Pluto, generally speaking (or Saturn or Uranus, I believe).

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Did you check out if the woman had anything in common and or if the synastries showed anything in common?

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I bet the women themselves had a strong Pluto and/or Mars, and/or the synastry was filled with some of those aspects. 8th house comes to mind as well (others' money, shared resources, power, etc.).

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Do you ever get the feeling that you can rationalize anything? I mean, once you get the idea to look for something 'psycho' in another person, you'll probably find something. Or you can rationalize a 'psycho' person's actions until they seem pretty reasonable.

Maybe the plutonian aspect always causes them to look deeper, so they end up ignoring all the 'crazy' and looking for the soul connection that ultimately lies in everyone. Then when they break up, they look back and say "what was I thinking?? that person was obviously insane!"

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That's a very interesting point.

I made a thread a while ago about my thoughts on how the energies are expressed between two people based on their natal charts.
Basically I said that the people you're in contact with will eventually play out some of the energies in your own chart, and because we naturally tend to attract people who reflect our natal patterns, that's quite inevitable.

So men tend to attract women who reflect their Moon and/or Venus, and women tend to attract men who reflect their Sun and/or Mars. The DC also comes into play here, and acts in a similar way regardless of who you're interacting with (male or female), so that's quite a lot of factors to take into account.

The idea that we 'project' our energies onto others is a recurrent one, especially males projecting their anima (Moon, Venus) and females projecting their animus (Sun, Mars) and both genders being essentially disconnected from their DC (when not relating) and getting more in touch with it through relating, usually because the Other reflects it or triggers it in some way and we in turn find ourselves using it (or misusing it).

Anyway, all that to say that... We act differently depending on who we're relating to. We don't show the same parts of ourselves depending on who's on the receiving end (goes without saying, doesn't it?). This is partly because of synastry/composite of course, but also partly because of the other person's natal chart and how our own natal chart mirrors their natal energies.

It's often said that we should 'integrate' our own energies so as not to attract them through others in negative ways, but realistically speaking, the only way to do that is precisely through relating. You can't just wake up one day and go, "Okay! Today I am more open to psychological transformations within myself and I am less obstructed by my subconscious patterns! *poof* *life changes*" err, no, probably not. You'd need someone to reflect those subconscious patterns to you so you can clearly come in contact with them and hopefully deal with them to avoid unnecessary 'drama' in the future.

posted August 19, 2014 11:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Brontex:
Moon trine Pluto here. I've had a few close calls. Like having my apartment set on fire while I was sleeping inside of it kind of close calls.
Most of my serious drama has been with 2nd decan Aqua Sun females. Can't really explain it.

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That wouldn't be Moon/Pluto alone, but the Scorpio DC + Moon opp. Mars.

Can you take a look at the whole chart and the synastry? That'd be interesting.

Sorry you had to go through this. Sounds really messed up.

posted August 19, 2014 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
They tend to attract "psychos."
Actually most guys that were attracted to me at some point had either Moon/Pluto or Venus/Pluto (or in Scorpio/8H) and well, I'm far from being the most stable person emotionally speaking. I wouldn't say I'm a killer thou.

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Well you do have a special look and vibe that a lot of Moon/Pluto guys would like.

posted August 19, 2014 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Because the women would have to have Sun/Mars in aspect to Pluto, generally speaking (or Saturn or Uranus, I believe).

I bet the women themselves had a strong Pluto and/or Mars, and/or the synastry was filled with some of those aspects. 8th house comes to mind as well (others' money, shared resources, power, etc.).

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posted August 20, 2014 11:09 PM            

Yes, I think I'm a psycho.

But I would never kill him. It would make me really sad and I would never forgive myself. I love him.

We have jupiter-pluto and mars-pluto double whammy.

My jupiter square his pluto, his jupiter opposite my pluto.

My mars conjunct his pluto, his mars trine my pluto.

And really tight orbs they are.

My mars opposes his moon too. His venus tightly squares my neptune. Our venuses conjunct in libra.

His moon is in taurus, inconjunct my moon in libra.

His ceres and north node conjuncts my ascendant, and his mars is in my first house.

His pluto trines my ascendant too.

And my pluto is conjunct his sun.

It's too much. I tell you, it's too much. IT'S DRIVING ME CRAY!!!!!!

posted August 20, 2014 11:26 PM            

I have Sun trine Pluto and Pluto in the first house.

posted August 21, 2014 02:08 PM            

They may not "own" this trait and say things like "I attract a lot of psychos in my life" or "my boyfriend is so obsessive" etc.

If Pluto forms aspects to Mercury,small arguments with others can turn into ALL out standoffs and screaming matches.

The Pluto-Mercury person for instance,may deliver their point in such a cool but "this is final" style that those who disagree with them are angered by their seemingly "superior" air.

The Venus-Pluto lover may entice others with the "promise" of being devoted to them for life. That when they do cheat, the cheated on party can be so enraged that it can even escalate to murder of the Venus individual or the person they cheated with.

Mars-Pluto should avoid getting into long and drawn out petty squabbles with others because they may not end well as he/she may find themselves physically assaulting/ assaulted in these things.

Pluto is 1st can have people feel very uncomfortable as their approach to life is very "unpretentious".

This character trait can have those who are trying to "keep the peace at all costs" see RED. They may see the Pluto individual as a "trouble-maker" and "changing their way of life".

Sometimes this Pluto individual can be an agent for transformation and change or they could just be doing it for kicks. Its the intent that matters.