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Topic: Indications for a shallow person.
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MiaPluto Knowflake Posts: 334 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Registered: Aug 2014
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posted August 18, 2014 06:35 PM
Do you guys know or have an experience with someone shallow?Someone who only hangs out with people who makes them look good, date/befriends/marries someone based only on their looks? I think having moon and Venus in masculine signs at the southern part if the chart (from Libra to Aquarius). Having a sensitive planet like Venus, moon, or sun there can result in that. Also, the houses that are public and southern (7,9,10,11) and having feminine planets and the sub there can cause someone to be shallow. I have both moon and Venus in libra, 7th house. But because my Saturn in Aries opposes them both, I have the potential of being shallow yet I can't be because of Saturn blocking these two planets. I wish I had a social life and all, but I don't and I think that's one of the lessons in life for me. ------------------ Mia x IP: Logged |
hannaramaa Knowflake Posts: 7821 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted August 18, 2014 06:41 PM
I know an Aries with Merc and Venus in Pisces who admitted she only befriends and hangs out with pretty or attractive people.IP: Logged |
MiaPluto Knowflake Posts: 334 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Registered: Aug 2014
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posted August 18, 2014 06:52 PM
Venus is exalted in Pisces. And Venus means partner, social life etc. Venus is the planet of good outward appearances, pleasantness etc. Venus is the opposite of profound. It's just superficial/material world planet and because your friend's Venus is exalted, material, superficial and money/physical beauty means much more to her.------------------ Mia x IP: Logged |
sword lily Knowflake Posts: 31 From: майна си райна ;] Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 18, 2014 07:33 PM
People I've known with those traits were mostly Taurus heavy. Not only were they shallow, they took some pride in being like that.IP: Logged |
PisceanDream Knowflake Posts: 194 From: Alexandria, VA, USA Registered: Jun 2014
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posted August 18, 2014 07:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by MiaPluto: Venus is exalted in Pisces. And Venus means partner, social life etc. Venus is the planet of good outward appearances, pleasantness etc. Venus is the opposite of profound. It's just superficial/material world planet and because your friend's Venus is exalted, material, superficial and money/physical beauty means much more to her.
I absolutely disagree with your interpretation of an exalted (Pisces) Venus... If you follow the same logic for all exaltations then those are also incorrect. IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen Knowflake Posts: 5996 From: In my 1st house Uranus and Neptune Registered: May 2011
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posted August 18, 2014 08:02 PM
12th house, Pisces are prone to being overtly idealistic and expectations really high or really low. Libra is .. well just Libra.IP: Logged |
iliketurtles Knowflake Posts: 348 From: 2099 Registered: Nov 2010
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posted August 18, 2014 08:35 PM
terribly boring people. lots of 1st house action? i would have thought libra too but thats not really fair on libras. im not sure reallyIP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19 Knowflake Posts: 4672 From: Pluto with DeepFreeze Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 18, 2014 08:49 PM
There are many different possibilities. I've met all kinds of shallow people. IP: Logged |
Plutonian_Gal8 Knowflake Posts: 395 From: Registered: Jan 2014
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posted August 18, 2014 09:07 PM
I agree! I threw my hands up, various things to spin on that note. quote: Originally posted by Barbiegirl19: There are many different possibilities. I've met all kinds of shallow people.
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Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 9123 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted August 18, 2014 09:25 PM
Some pretty shallow people I've known have been a mix of Taurus/Gem. But then there's a guy I know who has that (Tau Sun/Gem Venus) and he claims to not care about looks. Another one I can think of is Cancer/Leo. Cancer dudes (actually, the gals too...) can be really, really shallow! /end of generalizationIP: Logged |
Liliya Knowflake Posts: 882 From: Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 18, 2014 09:32 PM
My Cap ex was a big shallow snob. All he cared about is his million euro house, new Mercedes, and his politician mum (who turned out to be sold-out) Another one is Sag (Scorpio Mars, Cam Venus). He's friendly to everyone, but his friends/girlfriends are all from upscale neighborhood. They hardly have anything in common, but status is more important. These are my 2 examples from top of my head, but both of them have Cap placements. As for Libras, I don't think it's true. My Libra stellium man is the friendliest and most accepting person, who never turns his nose at anyone.
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MiaPluto Knowflake Posts: 334 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Registered: Aug 2014
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posted August 18, 2014 09:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by PisceanDream: I absolutely disagree with your interpretation of an exalted (Pisces) Venus... If you follow the same logic for all exaltations then those are also incorrect.
Wait... Are you saying that planets don't exalt in any sign? If that's your argument then just don't.. please. I don't even wanna argue with you. IP: Logged |
KingofCups Knowflake Posts: 560 From: Registered: Feb 2014
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posted August 18, 2014 11:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by MiaPluto: Wait... Are you saying that planets don't exalt in any sign?If that's your argument then just don't.. please. I don't even wanna argue with you.
I really hate to answer this in place of PisceanDream (I hope you won't mind), but no, that is not what is being said. S/he is saying that the way you in particular interpret what it means for Venus to be exalted is improper and also that if that is the method you use to interpret other planets that are exalted, then those interpretations would also be wrong. In response to your thread, afflicted Venus along with heavy Taurus, Tenth House, and/or Leo placements. IP: Logged |
PisceanDream Knowflake Posts: 194 From: Alexandria, VA, USA Registered: Jun 2014
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posted August 19, 2014 07:00 AM
Thank you KingofCups for doing the honors. Mia, don't be so defensive when nobody attacked you. I have no intent of arguing but clarifying. That's not how exaltations work. Venus exalted in Pisces does not mean that Venusian qualities are merely amplified thus pushing them to the extreme end of their manifestation and same goes for other planets. That's all. So I think I would reconsider your interpretation. As for shallowness, I think perhaps Venus conjunct ASC squared by Jupiter or maybe a 2nd house stellium afflicted by Jupiter. IP: Logged |
Liliya Knowflake Posts: 882 From: Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 19, 2014 07:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by PisceanDream:
As for shallowness, I think perhaps Venus conjunct ASC squared by Jupiter or maybe a 2nd house stellium afflicted by Jupiter.
I understand why you'd mention 2nd house, but Venus/Asc square Jupiter... I think, it gives an opposite quality. I have it, and I never judge people, especially based on their appearance or status. I've friends from all walks of life, age, race, gender and orientation. Venus/Asc makes a person friendly/charming, while square to Jupiter makes those traits even stronger. A quick Google search showed this: "VenussquareoppositionJupiter Venus square or opposition Jupiter These people are big-hearted and warm, with open hearts and a tendency to want to give a lot to the people they love. They can have some problems with following through on their promises, however--not because of any ill intent, but because they sometimes overestimate their personal capabilities, and want to do more, and give more, than is actually possible." IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect Knowflake Posts: 3698 From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow. Registered: Sep 2013
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posted August 19, 2014 11:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by MiaPluto: It's just superficial/material world planet and because your friend's Venus is exalted, material, superficial and money/physical beauty means much more to her.
Just because a planet is exalted, doesn't mean that they find those things the most important. Planets in signs form the subconscious personality of the person, not necessarily what they find valuable or important. Now this can manifest to liking/disliking certain things because they have a certain placement and it complements it's lifestyle, but this doesn't mean that those things mean more to her than other, more important things in life. Now if this person had a Venus aspecting Mercury or Jupiter (like a conjunction, for example, since it's a significant aspect), then they might find those things associated with Venus important, since the planet of understanding and discernment; Mercury, is aspecting their Venus, so it will color the intellect by making the individual understand that looks are important for Natural Selection, societal standards, etc. Or wealth because that will then determine the probability of a higher education and thus, a good career or occupation, etc. (Or anything else that Venus represents). Or if Jupiter; the planet of Philosophy and meaning is aspecting Venus, than they may place higher value among the things associated with Venus. Anyway, besides the point I'm even trying to make; Venus in it's own signs (Taurus and Libra) would manifest in Venus's natural qualities like you were saying more so than Pisces, as Venus is not directly associated with Pisces. Exalted planets do not function naturally like domicile planets, but rather in way to complement the planet's energy to function efficiently and balanced, and in the best way that certain planet can work for the individual. A strong, natural planet (domicile) isn't always the best thing to have, as it is making the planet unbalanced, due to it's strength. And of course, what Barbiegirl said... there are many possibilities as to how a certain placement can manifest. But technically, this is already a given in Astrology, as this doesn't have to do with this specific topic.
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LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 5387 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 19, 2014 12:32 PM
Mia, think of a Venus exalted in Pisces as a Venus conjunct Neptune, Venus conjunct higher Venus. That's why it's exalted.------------------
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PisceanDream Knowflake Posts: 194 From: Alexandria, VA, USA Registered: Jun 2014
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posted August 19, 2014 12:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Liliya: I understand why you'd mention 2nd house, but Venus/Asc square Jupiter... I think, it gives an opposite quality. I have it, and I never judge people, especially based on their appearance or status. I've friends from all walks of life, age, race, gender and orientation. Venus/Asc makes a person friendly/charming, while square to Jupiter makes those traits even stronger.A quick Google search showed this: "VenussquareoppositionJupiter Venus square or opposition Jupiter These people are big-hearted and warm, with open hearts and a tendency to want to give a lot to the people they love. They can have some problems with following through on their promises, however--not because of any ill intent, but because they sometimes overestimate their personal capabilities, and want to do more, and give more, than is actually possible."
I see... The logic I used to come to this conclusion is because of the quality of excessiveness and "biting off more than you can chew" that comes with Jupiter squares. I threw in ASC to the mix because it would alter the qualities of Venus (via Jupiter square), giving them an outward focus. Something I would translate along the lines of: "Being too complacent and too charming to maintain a positive and dignified image, to be well received and well liked" But then again, I could be wrong... I think it does also become a matter of perspective... Some people can appear shallow to some people while others can actually and truly be shallow in the inside. Thanks for your feedback though... I'll think about this some more. IP: Logged |
PisceanDream Knowflake Posts: 194 From: Alexandria, VA, USA Registered: Jun 2014
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posted August 19, 2014 12:48 PM
MI and LeeLoo, on point! IP: Logged |
NeptunianSag Knowflake Posts: 1144 From: Your imagination Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 19, 2014 01:03 PM
Taurus men: "if your not hot, your not worth it." Well, that's just stereotyping but for some, it's true. How about Venus on the mc? Like you'll only want to be seen with "attractive" people. You'll want to keep a good image of yourself so you'll look for those people. Anyone who isn't to "attractive" standards will make them feel trashy. IP: Logged |
next to neptune Knowflake Posts: 1950 From: The Moon Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 19, 2014 01:19 PM
All my closest friends happens to be very beautiful, but I think that is more just a coincidence (looks innocent)Maybe I am shallow, but I don't want to hang out with ugly people. But the people I consider ugly, may not be to others. I'm a virgo with pisces moon and scorpio venus. IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect Knowflake Posts: 3698 From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow. Registered: Sep 2013
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posted August 19, 2014 03:49 PM
But to answer the thread's question: I think Venus is the main indication with how shallow a person is in terms of which planet, so I agree with you on that. Also, Pluto aspecting Venus is a big one, because it ruins Pluto's depth with Venus's superficiality. (any aspect in fact between Venus and Pluto does a dealing to it, but the conjunction is particularly the significant one). As for the actual question (as the one I answered I realized wasn't actually the thread's question), I don't believe I know someone who ONLY cares for looks. I mean, I find the physicality of the person a very important factor in my decision if I find them attractive to me, but it is not the only thing at all (I am not going to list all the things I find attractive, as that it irrelevant to the topic). It makes sense why the physical appearance of the person is very important to other people in terms of scientifically anyway, so you cannot blame people for that. So I would prefer to use the term for those people who "only" go for looks as more "primitive", than "superficial". Because they can't see past the reality that looks (when only considering the looks of a person to find them attractive or not) aren't really as important as they are perceived by not only the subconscious brain (primitive to not see past looks only), but to the world in general (superficial to go with what the world thinks as the standard of physical beauty). Note: Had to split my post up because it was too big of a post for someone to bother reading, lol. IP: Logged |
libran_dream Knowflake Posts: 113 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted August 19, 2014 04:49 PM
For the thread question, and per the definition OP used, it seems to me the key issue is about the person seeking the world's validation of their personal value through the people that they tie themselves to romantically. So we're really talking here about someone with deep insecurities, who wants to show off their partner(s) as property and proof of value. They believe their own skills and personality are not enough, so they try to impress the world by their choice of partners.My first guess would be a configuration of afflicted inner planets, something that really hits at feelings of worthlessness, and this finding an out in H7. The guiding thought that you need to keep in mind is that, per the definition, this person isn't looking for what THEY like, but for what they think OTHER PEOPLE value. So for a man, he might really be into cute, short girls that are great nurturers and nice to cuddle, but he will only date tall, thin career-oriented models, because that's what seems to get him positive validation from those he's trying to impress. Until the person develops a better self-confidence and is able to confidently express what they truly value and want in life, this cycle will continue. IP: Logged | |