posted August 20, 2014 07:26 PM            

The position of the twelfth house ruler acts as a function that comes very natural to you, however a lot of karma is associated with it in this lifetime. Observing and reflecting on the way you may act out the particular planetary function can help you shed some light on your twelfth house dynamics. Usually you will find this function confusing and will be something you find quite troublesome in your day to day life.

Mars in the twelfth signifies karma associated with that planetary function. Conscious desires and the animus. The sign Mars is in will give you ideas as to the nature of these desires and your relationship with your animus. If the sign on the cusp is different to the sign Mars is in, it will add an extra dynamic. E.g. Mars Scorpio, conscious desire for personal reempowerment sought through others as a means of purging whatever is limiting to the soul. Sign on the cusp Libra, purging limitations/conditionings that inhibit the soul from initiating and maintaining relationships with another as equals.

posted August 20, 2014 07:33 PM            

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Originally posted by TempuraNostril:
Transits from the slower moving planets.

The position of the twelfth house ruler acts as a function that comes very natural to you, however a lot of karma is associated with it in this lifetime. Observing and reflecting on the way you may act out the particular planetary function can help you shed some light on your twelfth house dynamics.

Mars in the twelfth signifies karma associated with that planetary function. Conscious desires and the animus. The sign Mars is in will give you ideas as to the nature of these desires and your relationship with your animus. If the sign on the cusp is different to the sign was is in, if will add an extra dynamic. E.g. Mars Scorpio, conscious desire for personal reempowerment sought through others as a means of purging whatever is limiting to the soul. Sign on the cusp Libra, purging limitations/conditionings that inhibit the soul from initiating and maintaining relationships with another as equals.

What house does your Mars rule? You will use unconscious knowledge gained from karma and previous life experience, signified by Mars, to aid you in the area of life/house Mars rules.

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What happens if North Node is in 12 house?

posted August 20, 2014 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by ScoprioPowerr:

What happens if North Node is in 12 house?

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One of your soul's intentions in this lifetime is to re-live particular past life dynamics (signified by the sign). One of the reasons to re-live these dynamics could be to completely work through karma that has been accumulated over previous lifetimes.

This isn't ALL the karma that has been accumulated, but just the karma related to the dynamic of the sign. The ruler hence will give you more information as to how and where these dynamics function.

Due to your soul's intention to re-live this particular karma, it will automatically make you attuned to people/parts of society that also relate to the dynamics represented by the twelfth house.

posted August 21, 2014 06:37 AM            

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Originally posted by TempuraNostril:
Transits from the slower moving planets.

The position of the twelfth house ruler acts as a function that comes very natural to you, however a lot of karma is associated with it in this lifetime. Observing and reflecting on the way you may act out the particular planetary function can help you shed some light on your twelfth house dynamics. Usually you will find this function confusing and will be something you find quite troublesome in your day to day life.

Mars in the twelfth signifies karma associated with that planetary function. Conscious desires and the animus. The sign Mars is in will give you ideas as to the nature of these desires and your relationship with your animus. If the sign on the cusp is different to the sign Mars is in, it will add an extra dynamic. E.g. Mars Scorpio, conscious desire for personal reempowerment sought through others as a means of purging whatever is limiting to the soul. Sign on the cusp Libra, purging limitations/conditionings that inhibit the soul from initiating and maintaining relationships with another as equals.

What house does your Mars rule? You will use unconscious knowledge gained from karma and previous life experience, signified by Mars, to aid you in the area of life/house Mars rules.

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Hi, my Mars actually is in Scorpio! It aspects Jupiter by opposition in Taurus, Neptune by an exact square in Aquarius and Mercury by a square in Leo but that's with a wider orb (6). It's part of a Grand Cross.

Scorpio also rules my 12th house. I don't know if you use traditional rulers at all but if you do then Mars would be on cusp of 1st and 12th (Scorpio) and 5th (Aries)

posted August 21, 2014 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by AlexDern:
North node in the 12th house is spending time alone. I have this placement too. The more time I spend alone the better I do in life...the trick is not being bitter about it...not sure if it plays out for you that way but the ruler of my 12th house is square to my nn.

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The point of interpreting is to actually find out why that is though. Why does spending time alone help you do better in life? Same as why does a heavily influenced Taurean person (to generalise) feel the need to accumulate material wealth? Because it gives them a sense of worth, which in itself helps the person establish and maintain an inner relationship - what the Taurean archetype is essentially about.

Too much emphasis is placed upon just what people are or what they do. Go the extra length to find out the WHY and that's gives one a better understanding of the archetypal energies/dynamics in astrology. It also makes things clearer and gives one a more concise paradigm to work from when interpreting charts.

posted August 21, 2014 01:23 PM            

I think this is the paradox of the 12th house.

We know that there is much useful energy locked up in there and information about self, but when anything is unknown there is some trepidation about what may come out.
My Pluto in the 1st insists I get it all out though.

And, of course, it will be influencing our behaviour, we perhaps just don't recognise it.

So, I guess we should go there, if at least to be able to recognise what is operating in the shadows. Then maybe we can control it so it may serve us and others, rather it being a blind operation.

posted August 21, 2014 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I am interested in how to do this also, although I am also afraid.

I think this is the paradox of the 12th house.

We know that there is much useful energy locked up in there and information about self, but when anything is unknown there is some trepidation about what may come out.
My Pluto in the 1st insists I get it all out though.

And, of course, it will be influencing our behaviour, we perhaps just don't recognise it.

So, I guess we should go there, if at least to be able to recognise what is operating in the shadows. Then maybe we can control it so it may serve us and others, rather it being a blind operation.

(Moon, Mars & Saturn in 12th)

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It's as if we know the answers but are so afraid to actually go after it.

there's times when I WISH I could trade this placement for something more easier, like mars in 5th..

One thing I noticed with this aspect also..
I absolutely hate team sports! I can't stand them. I enjoy solitary sports and I feel more determined to actually improve at them. I love cycling, swimming and water sports in general. I've been trying to get better at swimming recently, I was never really taught how to swim.

posted August 21, 2014 02:27 PM            

I am similar with physical activity.
I prefer it alone.

I abhor the idea of gyms, and also love swimming (swimming around in the 12th?)
Walking, dancing, and solitary yoga are as much as I am interested in.

Strange thing though, and I don't know if it's 12th related or not, but I don't actually need to do much exercise to stay fit and healthy.

posted August 21, 2014 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by TempuraNostril:
The point of interpreting is to actually find out why that is though. Why does spending time alone help you do better in life? Same as why does a heavily influenced Taurean person (to generalise) feel the need to accumulate material wealth? Because it gives them a sense of worth, which in itself helps the person establish and maintain an inner relationship - what the Taurean archetype is essentially about.

Too much emphasis is placed upon just what people are or what they do. Go the extra length to find out the WHY and that's gives one a better understanding of the archetypal energies/dynamics in astrology. It also makes things clearer and gives one a more concise paradigm to work from when interpreting charts.

The WHY should be established first. The HOW will come later.

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posted August 21, 2014 03:17 PM            

North node in taurus in the 12th house: interpretation...

In life you will have to learn to stand your ground. It will be hard because even though you are right your friends may not understand and alienate you. You tends to gravitate towards peace, gardens, and sensual health where as your friends will move more in the direction of doing drugs, drinking, rock n roll, etc...

Your key to success is to find confidence and not succumb to the idea that one is lonely alone for one never feels quite so alone as being in a room full of people who are really vampires at heart.

posted August 21, 2014 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by m.blade:
The 12th house is something I've taken such a keen interest lately, especially because I've recently found that my Mars is there (and clearly too, I meet all the descriptions).

I'm curious to know; how do you unlock the energy of this potent house? what does it require, any examples of people whom have unlocked this energy?

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posted August 21, 2014 09:53 PM            

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Originally posted by AlexDern:
I already did in my post, did you not read that my ruler of the 12th is square my nn? Do you know what that means in astrology?

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I think you've missed my point.

Having ruler of the 12th house square NN does not ALWAYS mean one does better when spending time alone. The aspect can manifest in a myriad of different ways. HOWEVER, these various manifestations of the aspect WILL have one thing in common, which is the WHY. What is the reason behind the ways this aspect is manifesting? That's the CORE meaning.

The planetary function (the house ruler) the native uses to explore the particular house issues, is in conflict with the the energies inherent in the native's new direction for this lifetime. It may be that the soul feels too much comfort and security in relation to its twelfth house - in particular the function of its ruler - but on the other hand the native knows that it can't stay hidden within this comfort zone forever, so a conflict arises. The decision between staying or moving on - correlating with the square between Aries (identity) and Cancer/Capricorn (the womb of the Mother/society at large).

posted August 22, 2014 01:02 AM            

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Originally posted by TempuraNostril:
I think you've missed my point.

Having ruler of the 12th house square NN does not ALWAYS mean one does better when spending time alone. The aspect can manifest in a myriad of different ways. HOWEVER, these various manifestations of the aspect WILL have one thing in common, which is the WHY. What is the reason behind the ways this aspect is manifesting? That's the CORE meaning.

The planetary function (the house ruler) the native uses to explore the particular house issues, is in conflict with the the energies inherent in the native's new direction for this lifetime. It may be that the soul feels too much comfort and security in relation to its twelfth house - in particular the function of its ruler - but on the other hand the native knows that it can't stay hidden within this comfort zone forever, so a conflict arises. The decision between staying or moving on - correlating with the square between Aries (identity) and Cancer/Capricorn (the womb of the Mother/society at large).

From grasping this understanding THAT is when we can start to look at HOW this particular aspect MANIFESTS. It just so happens that for you, you find spending time alone helpful. Others may resort to drugs as a means to either resolve or run from the conflict. Others may find faith in a higher power. Or maybe they find that reaching out to people helps them deal with the conflict that arises. It's individual to everybody.

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This is actually a very good response and I am in debt to you for it.

Thank you sir. Thankee well.

The creative resolution I have found between the square is more evidence now and I know the "why" of it. The "how" of it I suppose, based on your response, is a matter of free will.

My destiny and my soul's purpose are square to each other because venus is conjunct my mc in aquarius...So I spend my time in solitutde learning and studying the ways of money management (nn in taurus)...this also merges my saturn in the sixth house conjunct sn(shared resources).

posted August 22, 2014 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
My 12th house unlocked for me when I got into a relationship with a person who had Pluto conjunct my 12th house placement, which is my Moon. Pluto of course forces you to dig into the planet and expose it's ugly underside, which would mean it will expose your 12th house issues. It wasn't even a close conjunction, 6 degrees apart! But it worked all the same!
I would think a Sun and Mercury conjunctions to your 12th house placements would also open you up to your 12th house.
Sun would shed light to help you see 12th house issue and Mercury would bring them closer to your conscious awareness....but Pluto ppl will drag the issues straight out of you, even if your kicking n screaming!

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posted August 22, 2014 06:08 PM            

The 12th house is about discovering yourself on your own or being forced to by incarceration.

It can't be unlocked until we are prepared to be happy alone....if we become codependent then the 12th house is never unlocked.

posted August 23, 2014 05:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
My 12th house unlocked for me when I got into a relationship with a person who had Pluto conjunct my 12th house placement, which is my Moon. Pluto of course forces you to dig into the planet and expose it's ugly underside, which would mean it will expose your 12th house issues. It wasn't even a close conjunction, 6 degrees apart! But it worked all the same!
I would think a Sun and Mercury conjunctions to your 12th house placements would also open you up to your 12th house.
Sun would shed light to help you see 12th house issue and Mercury would bring them closer to your conscious awareness....but Pluto ppl will drag the issues straight out of you, even if your kicking n screaming!

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Hmm.
I have been having 12th house planet-related issues arise from someone whose Uranus conjuncts these planets.

Maybe Uranus acts like an earthquake, shaking things up.

posted August 23, 2014 05:35 AM            

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Originally posted by AlexDern:
All answers lie within. We do not need other people to unlock our 12th house issues...that very notion is blocked 12th house energy.

The 12th house is about discovering yourself on your own or being forced to by incarceration.

It can't be unlocked until we are prepared to be happy alone....if we become codependent then the 12th house is never unlocked.

By the 8th house then we share some of the 12th house but never all of it. There is always the irreducible rascal in us, to borrow terms from Jung, which can never even be known in words or linear time. It is purely symbolic. It is the frontier of our soul where we become spirit...maybe even where the spirit become monadic spirit.

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The work we do with these energies once they are triggered, is ours, yes.

However, and I think Jung would agree with me, relationships are the sticks that prod us in the right places, that can show us what we need to work with.

The therapist's entire role is to be an object for the patient to relate to and project onto in order to see themselves more clearly.

No one on this earth ever done anything truly alone.

Even if after flying the nest you never related to another person, you would still be processing your primary relationships at some point.