posted August 24, 2014 06:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
but the ones they arent so interested in they can be so nice to them. Why do they always like/try to make someone they are interested in jealous?Why do they bring pain to the ones they actually feels the most for?

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Speaking as Venus in Scorpio man, I do this a whole lot. Its all about POWER

When you have feelings for someone,you lose that POWER. They can reject you, say "no" or even break your heart. And to many of us Venus in Scorpio, any type of rejection is tantamount to public humiliation.

So in order to "gain" the hold the other person has on us back,we tend to act cruel/ indifferent to them.

So they NEVER know what power they wield until we have had sufficient time to study them and cast our spell on them.

Its all about POWER. And not wanting to be on your knees for anyone.

I had treated one guy I had crushed on so coldly.He thought I hated him. Little did he know that I couldn't breathe around him and was so enraptured.

posted August 24, 2014 07:17 AM              

After giving you a little background of my story, what is the solution to the Venus in Scorpio power problem? Does hearing someone tell you guys that they have feelings for you ease you? How do I get him to loosen up and realize that I like him too without scaring him away? It's really confusing. So much so that I am unsure if he has feeling for me to begin with as I find it hard to believe someone can press on themselves THIS hard to avoid show how they feel.

posted August 24, 2014 09:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
Aries23Degrees,Do you get like secretly/unconciously angry at the one you feel strongly for bc they make you feel vulnerable and that might also be why you guys get mean "indifferent" to the ones you have strong love/feelings for?

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Absolutely

I think the answer is therein the question.

It's a fear, I don't know how to describe. But there is an intense fear of being rejected or made fun of. Thought of as "pathetic" or "weak" etc.

But there are some Venus in Scorpio men that seem "upfront" with their feeling, but even then. There are serious back/forth games played within the relationship.

A constant fear of being "left" or being made a fool of. So there are episodes of anger,of jealousy,of possessiveness etc.

posted August 24, 2014 09:16 AM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Aries23, thank you so much for your thorough explanation because I am currently going through this with a Venus in Scorpio man. I don't know what to make of it. I have feelings for him but due to a turbulent past where he was in love with me for years and I didn't really reciprocate, things are a bit murky as we recently rekindled romantically after 2 years of no contact and a few months of being friends. Everything was fine then he grew cold, indifferent, unconcerned, and even mean out of nowhere (tSaturn is also conjunct his Venus).

After giving you a little background of my story, what is the solution to the Venus in Scorpio power problem? Does hearing someone tell you guys that they have feelings for you ease you? How do I get him to loosen up and realize that I like him too without scaring him away? It's really confusing. So much so that I am unsure if he has feeling for me to begin with as I find it hard to believe someone can press on themselves THIS hard to avoid show how they feel.

I'd love to hear more feedback on this. Great topic that's been on my mind.

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Wow, my Venus in Scorpio forms a conjunction to Saturn in Scorpio too.

What does his birth chart look like? I don't like to isolate other influences- although these feat seems like a Venus-Saturn conjunction.

Thing is,nothing works in isolation in a birth-chart.There are certainly mitigating and/or aggravating factors to consider.

A person with Saturn on the angle for instance,may have a Mercury in Capricorn being an "aggravating" factor for his stoic behaviour.

But if Moon in Cancer is also on the angle and they also have Pisces Venus/Mars conjunct natally. It really does "soften" up the individual a great deal more than someone without these placements.

posted August 24, 2014 10:01 AM              

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Wow, my Venus in Scorpio forms a conjunction to Saturn in Scorpio too.

What does his birth chart look like? I don't like to isolate other influences- although these feat seems like a Venus-Saturn conjunction.

Thing is,nothing works in isolation in a birth-chart.There are certainly mitigating and/or aggravating factors to consider.

A person with Saturn on the angle for instance,may have a Mercury in Capricorn being an "aggravating" factor for his stoic behaviour.

But if Moon in Cancer is also on the angle and they also have Pisces Venus/Mars conjunct natally. It really does "soften" up the individual a great deal more than someone without these placements.

What is your Venus?

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It's funny because the moment transit Saturn hit him, he just shut down. And yes you're right, analyzing things in isolation isn't the way to go but I was particularly interested in that placement. His ASC is in Pisces conjunct Saturn and this conjunction conjuncts my Sun, Mercury, Saturn, and Venus in Pisces. His moon is in Libra in the 8th square his Uranus and Neptune. Scorp Venus (square my Aqua Mars) in the 9th loosely conjunct Pluto and sextile Uranus and Neptune. Mars in Virgo square Pluto opposing my Pisces stellium.

Ironically, he has Mercury (and Sun) in Capricorn and Saturn on an angle like you said!!! Hahaha

What do you think?

posted August 24, 2014 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
It's funny because the moment transit Saturn hit him, he just shut down. And yes you're right, analyzing things in isolation isn't the way to go but I was particularly interested in that placement. His ASC is in Pisces conjunct Saturn and this conjunction conjuncts my Sun, Mercury, Saturn, and Venus in Pisces. His moon is in Libra in the 8th square his Uranus and Neptune. Scorp Venus (square my Aqua Mars) in the 9th loosely conjunct Pluto and sextile Uranus and Neptune. Mars in Virgo square Pluto opposing my Pisces stellium.

Ironically, he has Mercury (and Sun) in Capricorn and Saturn on an angle like you said!!! Hahaha

What do you think?

Tell me more about your placements, I'm curious.

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posted August 24, 2014 10:22 AM            

Other aspects can alter this basic behaviour though.

What you described in the OP is two-faced behaviour. I associate this with the dark side of Gemini.. I don't at all see it as a Scorpio trademark.

posted August 24, 2014 11:53 AM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
It's funny because the moment transit Saturn hit him, he just shut down. And yes you're right, analyzing things in isolation isn't the way to go but I was particularly interested in that placement.

His ASC is in Pisces conjunct Saturn and this conjunction conjuncts my Sun, Mercury, Saturn, and Venus in Pisces. His moon is in Libra in the 8th square his Uranus and Neptune. Scorp Venus (square my Aqua Mars) in the 9th loosely conjunct Pluto and sextile Uranus and Neptune. Mars in Virgo square Pluto opposing my Pisces stellium.

Ironically, he has Mercury (and Sun) in Capricorn and Saturn on an angle like you said!!! Hahaha

What do you think?

Tell me more about your placements, I'm curious.

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Moon square Uranus and Neptune? Knowing how one feels at any particular time is difficult. Desire to keep emotions hidden from view.

Mars squaring Pluto?? That's a whole lot of anger right there. Tendency to obsess and be very controlling. Want things in a particular way..or else.

Saturn hitting his Venus could have him thinking if his love life is really "necessary" or if he can commit to the partner.

It can also make some people feel "ugly" and unlovable. They may see themselves as too complicated to love and will, unconsciously, push others away through shutting down.

I am also going through the Venus/Saturn transit conjunct. But my feelings for my BF are going from strength to strength.

I am also a lot more confident about my sex appeal. I guess its different for differing people.

I don't know how best to advise you as you can't make someone believe that you love and care for them. Its even more testing when they shut down.

Just give it time and be patient.You know him better than I do.Do what you can to be loving and that's really all you can do right now.

Or else you can also ask him if he wants out? Perhaps his feelings for you have cooled and he no longer feels the way that he used to?

You wanted to know about my other placements?

Mo(3)-Mer(9)-Mars(6)T-square in Can,Cap & Lib
Sun(8)-Jup(8)-Nept(8)conj in Sag and Ura(7) in Sag
Venus(7)-Sat(7)-conj in Scor and Plu in Sco(6)

Asc Taurus,MC Aquarius

That's me

posted August 24, 2014 12:06 PM            

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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
I agree with Odette. My Scorpio Venus man has been more up front with me than anyone ever has... EVEN THE GRITTY STUFF I DONT WANT TO HEAR that makes me uncomfortable. He's very forthcoming and open--and my Venus in Aries appreciates this.

Aries23Degrees, what placement is Aries at 23? That my Venus, exact! Your sun?

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That's my Juno in Aries placement. It's at 23 Degrees.

Scorpio Venus is water- at the end of the day. And water is very sensitive and tender.

There are brutally honest moments, very emotionally "raw" moments that are fantastic.

But then,there are are these less than desirable moments. Usually brought on with the interaction with the outside world where the Scorpio can believe the connection is "interrupted".

posted August 24, 2014 01:18 PM              

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Originally posted by whaaat:
I've got Venus opposition Pluto in Scorp and I pretty much do the same thing. Venus in Scorpio sounds less harsh though; Venus/Pluto creates this black hole in your heart where you want to consume all the love, strength soul even of the one you love but never give anything back because that would go against the obsession with perfect unconditional love. Scorpio in general I think, has the potential to be selfish out of deep insecurity.

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This has been my experience with Venus in Scorpio. He wanted unconditional love from me, but didn't even fathom that he would need to give it back. I could sense he was deeply in love with me but it was a power thing. I'm happy to give the reins to my man, but when he tries to force me into anything I won't budge! I have soft Venus-Pluto and well, I can sort of relate but I'm more of a giver than a taker. I can relate to the feelings, but not the actions that arise from them.

posted August 25, 2014 05:05 PM              

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Moon square Uranus and Neptune? Knowing how one feels at any particular time is difficult. Desire to keep emotions hidden from view.

Mars squaring Pluto?? That's a whole lot of anger right there. Tendency to obsess and be very controlling. Want things in a particular way..or else.

Saturn hitting his Venus could have him thinking if his love life is really "necessary" or if he can commit to the partner.

It can also make some people feel "ugly" and unlovable. They may see themselves as too complicated to love and will, unconsciously, push others away through shutting down.

I am also going through the Venus/Saturn transit conjunct. But my feelings for my BF are going from strength to strength.

I am also a lot more confident about my sex appeal. I guess its different for differing people.

I don't know how best to advise you as you can't make someone believe that you love and care for them. Its even more testing when they shut down.

Just give it time and be patient.You know him better than I do.Do what you can to be loving and that's really all you can do right now.

Or else you can also ask him if he wants out? Perhaps his feelings for you have cooled and he no longer feels the way that he used to?

You wanted to know about my other placements?

Mo(3)-Mer(9)-Mars(6)T-square in Can,Cap & Lib
Sun(8)-Jup(8)-Nept(8)conj in Sag and Ura(7) in Sag
Venus(7)-Sat(7)-conj in Scor and Plu in Sco(6)

Asc Taurus,MC Aquarius

That's me

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Thanks for the advice! Situations like these are always difficult to deal with so I truly appreciate all the insight I can get... I have a question though. When you're feeling that impermeable cold and indifferent attitude towards someone you feel for strongly, like in the example you gave earlier, what would warm you up? What are you seeking from that person? To know how they feel about you or to study them until you decide to make a move or what exactly?

posted August 26, 2014 09:03 AM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
I have a question though. When you're feeling that impermeable cold and indifferent attitude towards someone you feel for strongly, like in the example you gave earlier, what would warm you up? What are you seeking from that person? To know how they feel about you or to study them until you decide to make a move or what exactly?

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I can't tell you with definitiveness why we do this. Much like we sometimes do not want the day to end but night comes in-no matter how much we may wish for it not to.

What can you do to warm us up? Talking seems to "unburden" a lot of my thoughts and I look for reason. You don't have to solve my problems but you can assist in helping me see another perspective from the one I am drawing from.

Humor helps a lot. Just laughing. Sometimes crying about it too. But generally reaching out for that "ease" feeling.Like when traffic is crammed bumper to bumper(Saturn conjunct Venus) and then the cars begin to move----RELIEF!!!

What am I seeking from that person? I personally seek a sound board. Just listen but don't try to tell me stuff like "be positive" or "don't think like that" etc.

Rather say stuff like "You don't have to come to a solution about this topic at this red hot minute" or "Why don't we discuss this in the kitchen whilst I'm making lunch? There is something I want to understand about where you are" etc.

This encourages open dialogue instead of shutting the person off with words like; "don't say that" or "don't think like that" etc.

When you say that to them they don't switch off those thoughts,they just learn not to talk to YOU about them. Even worse, they start to believe that you can never fathom what they are going through.

To the person who is going through a problem.They always assume that NO-ONE has ever gone through their problem before. That it is UNIQUE and that they are the 1st (in all of civilization)to face it etc.

You have to let them know that they are not.

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Your chart is really colorful, wow! How do you feel about Aries folk completing your natal t-Square?

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I tend to avoid Aries placements.I think that there are too many cooks in the kitchen already.So you can just imagine how testing the current transit of Uranus in Aries is for me

Interesting though,my Juno in Aries completes this T-square.But I don't even pay attention to it.

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Do you seek earth partners more so than water? Since Cancer placements will reinforce your t-Square and Pisces will square your Sag conjunctions... Scorpio seems to fit best with your chart (from the Water signs).

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Mostly the earth sign that is consistently attracted to me is Taurus Sun(My Asc sign).I don't have luck with Pisces Sun,Scorpio Sun is great for friendship and Cancer Sun tends to drain me.

posted August 26, 2014 09:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
but the ones they arent so interested in they can be so nice to them. Why do they always like/try to make someone they are interested in jealous?Why do they bring pain to the ones they actually feels the most for?

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Because scorpio doesn't belong there. Scorpio is pain, mentally pain, and when placed in venus they want their partner to suffer the same way as they do. Thats how I feel, Im a girl but it still counts for me…