posted August 25, 2014 04:33 AM            

Internet/media/technology is like poison to our brains. We live more in the virtual world than the real world.

It is like the negative influence of Neptune, because caused because of the Uranian technologies.

The outer planets are related in some ways.

Uranus causes Neptune, and Neptune causes Pluto.

The facilities might seem like Jupiter (saviour/help/easiness) at first, but these technologies, giving us these extreme facilities later end up causing in us laziness and weakness, and so forth melancholy, depression, hopelessness and no zest for life.

When things are too easy and easily achievable, the rate of speciality/hope goes down, boredom become higher and so forth.

As you can see, these changes are messing up with the natural ways of our mental and physical human function.

The not so pleasant but important things/responsibilities/hard work we have to do (Saturn) are now being taken away happily by people with the use of the genius Uranus, providing ease/facility/etc.

But of course, Saturn has to express itself in some way. It comes back as melancholy, depression, hopelessness or whatever names you give it.

We don't want that, we don't need that.

However, these days, people care more about short term satisfaction and goals than long term. It is actually dehumanizing us, and making us more animalistic, making our primal instincts more important, thus, it makes us just as foolish as animals.

To be honest, the new Uranian lifestyle of living is no good. It is in excess and it is making things worse.

The world has become like a child that refuses to eat vegetables, and only was junk food. It tastes good, but they later get sick, and they don't get the reward because of course, they didn't eat their vegetables and so now they have no strength/health that they needed.

It is such a shame.

posted August 25, 2014 04:55 AM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
The reason you hate it is not because you are traditional, but because you are right and have common sense.

Internet/media/technology is like poison to our brains. We live more in the virtual world than the real world.

It is like the negative influence of Neptune, because caused because of the Uranian technologies.

The outer planets are related in some ways.

Uranus causes Neptune, and Neptune causes Pluto.

The facilities might seem like Jupiter (saviour/help/easiness) at first, but these technologies, giving us these extreme facilities later end up causing in us laziness and weakness, and so forth melancholy, depression, hopelessness and no zest for life.

When things are too easy and easily achievable, the rate of speciality/hope goes down, boredom become higher and so forth.

As you can see, these changes are messing up with the natural ways of our mental and physical human function.

The not so pleasant but important things/responsibilities/hard work we have to do (Saturn) are now being taken away happily by people with the use of the genius Uranus, providing ease/facility/etc.

But of course, Saturn has to express itself in some way. It comes back as melancholy, depression, hopelessness or whatever names you give it.

We don't want that, we don't need that.

However, these days, people care more about short term satisfaction and goals than long term. It is actually dehumanizing us, and making us more animalistic, making our primal instincts more important, thus, it makes us just as foolish as animals.

To be honest, the new Uranian lifestyle of living is no good. It is in excess and it is making things worse.

The world has become like a child that refuses to eat vegetables, and only was junk food. It tastes good, but they later get sick, and they don't get the reward because of course, they didn't eat their vegetables and so now they have no strength/health that they needed.

It is such a shame.

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So you think technology is no good?
Have you ever thought about where we would be without technology?
Where would we be without the internet, mobile phones, electricity, transport, spacecraft and so forth…

I think technology is important for our earth, especially also the survival of our earth and population in the future. without technology a meteor would just wipe out earth in the nearer future, without technology we could not inhabit the places where the most people live today, without technology we could not overcome the most difficult illness that wipe out peoples life all over the world constantly.

posted August 25, 2014 04:56 AM            

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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
What placements make someone hate new things like videogames and complains they are for 'no lifers' yet they still sit in front of the tv 7hours a day. Or just someone who complains that technology is ruining everything and not beneficial. Heavy Saturn and lack of Uranus do you think? Or do you think it is a generational aspect? I've noticed people born in the 60's and below seem to hate on videogames, my parents are against them. It really annoys me how ignorant they are towards them, that it's just for enjoyment and creativity, and people do actually have lives and play videogames.

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posted August 25, 2014 05:56 AM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
The reason you hate it is not because you are traditional, but because you are right and have common sense.

Internet/media/technology is like poison to our brains. We live more in the virtual world than the real world.

It is like the negative influence of Neptune, because caused because of the Uranian technologies.

The outer planets are related in some ways.

Uranus causes Neptune, and Neptune causes Pluto.

The facilities might seem like Jupiter (saviour/help/easiness) at first, but these technologies, giving us these extreme facilities later end up causing in us laziness and weakness, and so forth melancholy, depression, hopelessness and no zest for life.

When things are too easy and easily achievable, the rate of speciality/hope goes down, boredom become higher and so forth.

As you can see, these changes are messing up with the natural ways of our mental and physical human function.

The not so pleasant but important things/responsibilities/hard work we have to do (Saturn) are now being taken away happily by people with the use of the genius Uranus, providing ease/facility/etc.

But of course, Saturn has to express itself in some way. It comes back as melancholy, depression, hopelessness or whatever names you give it.

We don't want that, we don't need that.

However, these days, people care more about short term satisfaction and goals than long term. It is actually dehumanizing us, and making us more animalistic, making our primal instincts more important, thus, it makes us just as foolish as animals.

To be honest, the new Uranian lifestyle of living is no good. It is in excess and it is making things worse.

The world has become like a child that refuses to eat vegetables, and only was junk food. It tastes good, but they later get sick, and they don't get the reward because of course, they didn't eat their vegetables and so now they have no strength/health that they needed.

It is such a shame.

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posted August 25, 2014 08:44 AM            

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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
What placements make someone hate new things like videogames and complains they are for 'no lifers' yet they still sit in front of the tv 7hours a day.

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I think in this case it's a generational thing. Never underestimate the power of nostalgia as well as what feelings of increasing irrelevancy can do to someone.

But there are other reasons. For example, someone who loves watching shows about gangsters and such will decry video games like Grand Theft Auto as they have kids they don't want to raise by being a good example as well as choosing to hand them over to an electronic babysitter (which deep down they know is not being the best parent they can be) and so blame the existence of video games in order to escape blaming themselves for their own bad examples. IOW, it's not about the technology here but rather what the games remind them of (at least in your case where they're watching a lot of the boob tube).

Luddites, OTOH, are a completely different subject. Luddites don't watch TV for hours on end, they probably don't even have one. Okay, if the one complaining about your games has a black & white TV with rabbit ears (antenna) then MAYBE there's at least a dab of genuine Neo-Luddism there, but even then I doubt it.

posted August 25, 2014 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
We live more in the virtual world than the real world.

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Yes, this, internet & games are both places where you get info or entertainment. It is a piece of your world, not the world. Spending time on these things all day is putting yourself in a speck of an illusion.

posted August 25, 2014 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
So you think technology is no good?
Have you ever thought about where we would be without technology?
Where would we be without the internet, mobile phones, electricity, transport, spacecraft and so forth…

I think technology is important for our earth, especially also the survival of our earth and population in the future. without technology a meteor would just wipe out earth in the nearer future, without technology we could not inhabit the places where the most people live today, without technology we could not overcome the most difficult illness that wipe out peoples life all over the world constantly.

We seriously need technology to survive end discover! New technology is not only about uranus and the uranian way of life, its mercury and jupiter too that rules this (higher learning, teaching and finding the meaning of life. Maybe even neptune too and the 12th house. (discovery of what is hidden)

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We can survive without technology, like we always did. I think you didn't understand what I had just explained. Please read again

Thank you. x

posted August 25, 2014 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
I think people have a choice to be happy, sure, I can understand someone who suffers with depression more prone to depression if they play videogames but it's not the technology its self that is causing us to dehumanize. We are in control of ourselves and we need to stop blaming technology, technology is here to help us, not destroy us. We need to improve ourselves and stop looking for things to blame, we are in control of ourselves.

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It's easy to say that it's in our hands, but how easy is it to do it? We're not robots, but humans and we have temptations too. No one is happy being an internet addict or video game addict. Everyone wishes they could live life naturally.

The same way, (especially in America) no one wants to be fat, no one wants disease or wants to die early. But with the food everywhere and easily available, they go for it.

It's the media. They're the ones advertising, giving us these facilities and it's hard to say no. Why would anyone say no at first? It's like a dream come true when iPhones come out and there are new facilities in it. But we later realize they don't truly make us happy. They just make us addicted.

posted August 25, 2014 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
We can survive without technology, like we always did. I think you didn't understand what I had just explained. Please read again

Thank you. x

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posted August 25, 2014 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
This is the most irrelevant discussion from my point of view ever…. we CANT survive without technology, thats a fact of life.

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How did our ancestors survive without technology?

I can't believe I even have to ask this. Like seriously?

Maybe you can't survive without technology. Or so you think. Well that just means you're succumbing to the Neptune effect of the Uranian technologies and would give up your life if you have to live without it.

Thank god I'm not like you.

posted August 25, 2014 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
How did our ancestors survive without technology?

I can't believe I even have to ask this. Like seriously?

Maybe you can't survive without technology. Or so you think. Well that just means you're succumbing to the Neptune effect of the Uranian technologies and would give up your life if you have to live without it.

Thank god I'm not like you.

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How did they survive without technology? That's a funny question, because they didn't survive very well. That's why it didn't take long for them to create and use tools, to kill predators, create fire to cook meat, then eventually create easier ways to communicate by writing and drawing, then there's also agriculture, the wheel, medecine, etc.

I remember this story of that guy who decided to drop all technology and live in the wild. Didn't he end up killing himself? Well yeah. Humans don't have claws, don't run fast, can't jump high, don't have much fur, and tend to have communication problems, but they compensate by using tools and technology. Pretending we can very well live without technology is also hypocritical when you're using a computer to communicate that idea in the first place.

I would also like to point out that, while it's true many people easily fall into addiction and depression because of technology, most people don't, as far as I know anyway.

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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
What placements make someone hate new things like videogames and complains they are for 'no lifers' yet they still sit in front of the tv 7hours a day. Or just someone who complains that technology is ruining everything and not beneficial. Heavy Saturn and lack of Uranus do you think? Or do you think it is a generational aspect? I've noticed people born in the 60's and below seem to hate on videogames, my parents are against them. It really annoys me how ignorant they are towards them, that it's just for enjoyment and creativity, and people do actually have lives and play videogames.

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posted August 25, 2014 08:09 PM            

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Originally posted by TuxLuigi:
Being dubious of new things we don't know about is a natural trait of most people. I believe it is less about finding which aspects cause someone to be wary of new things, and more about finding which aspects cause someone to be extremely open to new things.

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Um.. I thought this question was about electricity and modern technology, not tools for cooking and stuff?

The initial question had to do with video games and mechanical devices, NOT shelter, cooking utensils or stuff like that!

And second of all, survival is not ruled by Uranus, nor the 'cooking utensils/tools' kind of 'technology' you're talking about. It's Mars, the planet of survival.

And Mars is very important in our lives.

The outer planets are just as important, but they are supposed to be used in good ways, rather than the way they're being used now.

And when I was talking about our ancestors, I wasn't talking about hunter or gatherers. I was talking about the time before industrialization and world war 1. Before mechanical/electric devices emerged.

Specifically, before TV arrived.

posted August 25, 2014 08:27 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
I was talking about the time before industrialization and world war 1. Before mechanical/electric devices emerged.

Specifically, before TV arrived.

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Those were very harsh times, btw, filled with misery and despair. Check out The Good Old Days from the library (the reference librarian can get it from another library if needed) if you can. It's heavily illustrated and easy to read, btw.

posted August 25, 2014 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
Um.. I thought this question was about electricity and modern technology, not tools for cooking and stuff?

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The initial question had to do with video games and mechanical devices, NOT shelter, cooking utensils or stuff like that!

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And second of all, survival is not ruled by Uranus, nor the 'cooking utensils/tools' kind of 'technology' you're talking about. It's Mars, the planet of survival.

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The outer planets are just as important, but they are supposed to be used in good ways, rather than the way they're being used now.

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And when I was talking about our ancestors, I wasn't talking about hunter or gatherers. I was talking about the time before industrialization and world war 1. Before mechanical/electric devices emerged.

Specifically, before TV arrived.

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That's fair. I see your point of view. But you are injustly pointing at modern technology as being guilty of manifesting the bad energies of the outer planets into people, when it doesn't manifest that way for most people (as far as I can see anyway), and it helps us if anything. Does the new iPhone make us happier? Certainly not, but it makes things easier - on every side, from practicality, to entertainment, to artistic expression, to long distance sociability. Yes, it can get people addicted. Everything has a good and bad side, whenever something good is created, the negative consequences are also created alongside, but ignoring the positive isn't good.

EDIT: And as PixieJane said above, there is a reason the industrial age began in the first place. Technology and technique were always there to make the world more comfortable to us fragile humans. We may be going off the other end now - life being too comfortable - but it still weights both its good and bad, technology isn't just addiction mixed with depression.

posted August 25, 2014 09:13 PM            

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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
Heavy Saturn and lack of Uranus do you think?

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I don't have a TV, sorta hate computers (can't fix them because I don't care), don't have a video game console for my kids, am not on FB, have never sent a text message, don't even want an iPhone/iPad/whatever...well the list goes on.

posted August 25, 2014 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by rebelqueen:
People born in the 60s hate video games/the internet/technology because they lived in different times.

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posted August 25, 2014 09:45 PM            

i hope technology can help us out of this mess.

i have lived with, love and admire tribal peoples…this way of living, though it is disappearing, is so beautiful, so harmonious. part of me yearns to return to this state.

i love my hi-speed blender! hahaha

posted August 26, 2014 01:00 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Those were very harsh times, btw, filled with misery and despair. Check out The Good Old Days from the library (the reference librarian can get it from another library if needed) if you can. It's heavily illustrated and easy to read, btw.

Not saying it was a worse in every way than today (there are pros & cons) but I wouldn't want them to be romanticized.

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I'm not talking about a 10 year time period or something. I'm talking about the whole time before the tv arrived. I'm talking about 1400-1500-1600-1700-1800-1900-etc.

Of course every century has its hard times! Now you can't argue telling me there was a war in idk.. 1400 in Japan or something.

What I'm saying is that The new technology may give us more facilities, but they are not necessary for survival.

posted August 26, 2014 01:10 AM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
The new technology may give us more facilities, but they are not necessary for survival.

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For many people they are necessary for survival.

posted August 26, 2014 01:13 AM            

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Originally posted by TuxLuigi:
That's fair. I see your point of view. But you are injustly pointing at modern technology as being guilty of manifesting the bad energies of the outer planets into people, when it doesn't manifest that way for most people (as far as I can see anyway), and it helps us if anything. Does the new iPhone make us happier? Certainly not, but it makes things easier - on every side, from practicality, to entertainment, to artistic expression, to long distance sociability. Yes, it can get people addicted. Everything has a good and bad side, whenever something good is created, the negative consequences are also created alongside, but ignoring the positive isn't good.

EDIT: And as PixieJane said above, there is a reason the industrial age began in the first place. Technology and technique were always there to make the world more comfortable to us fragile humans. We may be going off the other end now - life being too comfortable - but it still weights both its good and bad, technology isn't just addiction mixed with depression.

Anyway, we may want to avoid drifting off the topic too much.
Could heavy 9th house influence possibly have an effect on that, perhaps?

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A fact of life: anything that is too easy is not necessary. Anything that is not necessary is too easy.

The cause indulgence, laziness, and depression.

When everything is readily available to you in front of you, would you feel excited about it?

You don't need to go to library these days, you can type on google.

You don't need to ask anyone for direction these days, you can type on your phone.

You don't need to write letters anymore, you can skype or call.

With all these facilities, life is not interesting anymore. It has become too boring, too easy.

Nothing has the same value anymore. The value of the thing decreases as the easier it gets to get it, thus is makes us feel unmotivated to do it.

And let me tell you the difference between crayons and video games:

Crayons and drawing makes us think, makes us use our creativity, enhance our drawing skills.

Video games makes us better at playing the videogame, and play games that has fake sense of achievement, and at the end makes us feel empty.

When you make a nice drawing, you can show it to your family and friends, and feel more like you achieved something by getting complements and be proud of your creativity.

While playing videogames is not really a talent, anyone can play it.

And I never said that each planet does not have their negative or positive effect?

Yes, the outer planets also have positive effects. I was just talking about their negative effects.

And to be honest, I don't know what exact planet is causing what on earth. I used the names if the planets to make you guys understand better my point.

All the planets are survival. We are the reason we are because of the planets. Without Saturn, we won't have bones, no limits. Without Venus no pleasure, no tact, no happiness. Without Jupiter, no luck, no optimism, no faith. And so on.

But Mars is the planet to fight for your survival and existence. That's what I was talking about.