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LionFish
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posted August 29, 2014 04:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could natal mars square jupiter cause uncontrollable fits of anger?

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posted August 29, 2014 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 30, 2014 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7Grace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From my limited understanding, hard aspects from Jupiter are not bad. Mars/Jupiter would seem to bestow conviction. Try and fail, try again with new knowledge gained. Even in hard aspect to me it would seem more like benevolent action.
I understand what Vajra means about the Jupiter/Saturn hard aspect. Hard aspects from Saturn not so nice. Like Jupiter has a hard time being himself surrounded by the ever forbidding crowd.
It seems temper would be Sun/Mars Moon/Mars. But Vajra has a good ear, in reasoning the uncontrollable fits to Mars/Uranus.

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posted August 30, 2014 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturiann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my experience it is like having these grand ideas and suddenly all this push and energy into manifesting it but often the push is too hard, too fast, or timed inappropriately. This big surge of inspiration and energy which can be a let down when you try to build a house of cards too fast.

I think this has lead to anger in my case because of the frustration this leads to, thinking that I can't accomplish anything I set out to do, when in reality I just need to slow it down and not expect to get everything done at once, not to give up or suddenly get bored when the house of cards falls, but to pick back up again and this time calculate how many cards ill need and how I should arrange them and take my time each step of the way.

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posted August 30, 2014 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not on its own - you would have to have a strong Mars, and then some peculiarity from an Outer planet (Uranus or Pluto) to that Mars and then Jupiter to seal on that package with some foine, expanding action.

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posted August 30, 2014 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I used the term uncontrollable because of the size of the blow up when it happens... the natal im referring to isnt my own btw, but someone close to me. It's more like huge reactions to things that dont warrant the size of the response. The outbursts are a bit unnerving and make me want to find a hiding place until he's over it. And I DO have Mars/Uranus, Moon/Mars, AND Sun/Mars, all hard aspects (conjuct, quincunx, and square respectively) and all under 2 degree orb. So I understand hot-headedness, but this is different. Like, "Why are you SO mad at this small problem/inconvenience?" is usually my line of thinking. It's excessive, not uncontrollable and excessive is what made me think Mars/Jupiter

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I have this aspect in exact orbit. My jupiter is in aquarius and mars in scorpio. Jupiter is in the 12th house and mars is in 8th house.

Because of this, I feel like I am very forceful and enthusiastic in my expression of beliefs. My energy and reason to do something is linked with belief.

So the only reason I would work hard for something, or would want to use my energy for something will be because of a belief I have.

And when I believe in something, I put it into action. I do something about it.

There is a lot of energy and enthusiasm.

But since these two aspected planets are located in the private houses (8th and 12th), my energy or enthusiasm is rare to be seen directly.

For example, if someone had this aspect located in 1st and 10th house, it would have been very visible about the person. That person's enthusiasm would be more known, if you know what I mean.

As for me, I of course have this energy in me. But I use it secretly, in private. I do love to tell others about it. But not openly.

It's like my personal mission.

Also, Jupiter and Mars are square to each other in fixed signs.

Because of that, my beliefs are very hard to change once I believe in something, and once I am inclined to something, it is hard to change it.

I'd do anything to do something for something I really believe in.

My mars is in Scorpio, and Jupiter is in Aquarius.

Aquarius is an intellectual sign, and aquqarian type of beliefs are something like "everything is nothing, nothing is everything", "letting go of the ego", finding the meaning of life is finding yourself", "you can never be certain about anything", "the more you know, the less you know"

In the zodiac, aquarius is the sign of enlightment, and enlightment means finding the truth and the truth is always there, and it's so near, but because it's so near we overlook it and with deception we believe in things that are not true, to find who we are, what makes a person really happy.

For Jupiter, Aquarius is not a great sign. Because Aquarius's philosophy is "the truth is that you can know nothing", "things are just what they are". But Jupiter is a planet of faith, security, and reason to live. Aquarius is the house of Saturn, which gives wisdom, harsh realities that are always hard to digest at first, but then later we have to accept it and cherish it, and understand that all the superficiality and ego in the world means nothing.

Jupiter doesn't really feel secure in Aquarius. But Jupiter will be Jupiter, and so it will find its own meaning of life and faith/security in Aquarius.

That is Jupiter in Aquarius for me.

My Mars is in domicile, in its own house. So it enjoys being there in Scorpio which is a good thing.

Jupiter in the twelfth house means finding meaning in life through hidden and mysterious things, and things that are unexplained, unknown or unsolved. It is the reason why I am so much into astrology. But because it's an Aquarius Jupiter, I do not believe in things blindly, but look at those things intellectually, universally and philosophically, with the Saturnian wisdom of Aquarius. And it is the Saturnian wisdom that I have to keep my faith in, since that's where my Jupiter is. You see now why Jupiter is peregrine in Aquarius.

I think I wrote this too long and wrote too much unnecessary stuff ranting about myself.

But I am writing this not for me, since I already know myself.

I am writing this for those who might have the same placements as me and who might like to know and understand better what I understood about these placements of mine through my own experience.

This is to help others, and give them a point of view they might be interested to look at from.

The answer concerning your question:

"Mars square Jupiter: anger issues?"

Mars square Jupiter does not make one angry. As I said, it makes a person just more energetic, optimistic and lively in their actions. They have beliefs and reasons and faith behind every new step they take, or new adventure they take.

They do not proceed with an idea or goal because they went though a process of analyzing and thinking. Rather, they do it because of faith and optimism. With meaning and their inner gut feeling. They do it with belief, trust. They take new actions upon these reasons.

It is a nice aspect to have.

But while conjunctions are excellent and powerful to have, and trines too, squares make these two planets happen by friction.

When you are too enthusiastic about something, or take an action, or try to find new meaning and philosophy, it usually occurs because of a contrast/contradiction.

The same way, when you ever express any belief or take an action on something, you might get rejected and others might not agree with you at first.

Also with this aspect I have noticed personally, is that I absolutely love arguing. I never get tired or bored by arguing on my beliefs and reasons.

I loved arguing ever since I was a kid. Jupiter makes things fun.

So while Mars, being the lesser malefic is not a very pleasant planet (getting angry; the feeling of anger/fighting/arguing) Jupiter adds the fun to Mars.

Fighting, arguing, proving oneself, standing up for oneself and proving your point becomes something of fun to do.

While others may be seething in anger, you like to laugh and dance, and your energy never decrease while arguing.

While the other person may give up, and feel drained with arguing or fighting, you, with this Jupiter-Mars aspect will have a lot of energy, and optimism without hard work.

No matter how much someone tries to put me down, I don't give up and keep proceeding with my arguments optimistically, yes sometimes I get angry when people are ignorant about listening or considering my ideas or opinions, but that's because many of them ARE ignorant and inconsiderate. Because my Jupiter-Mars is in fixed signs, my beliefs of course happen through a lot of thinking, processing before making them my beliefs. I don't just belief in anything, like a mutable sign would do; believing in different things and changing opinions frequently.

But, I am not saying that all those with planets in the fixed signs are fixed about their beliefs/reasons for a good and reasonable reason. No, of course not.

Some fixed signs Jupiter or Mars may stubbornly believe in something for a very dumb reason, and that's because of a bad Mercury.

Thank god I have mercury exalted, so I have enough common sense, know what to be skeptic about before completely believing in something.

(I am not saying I am the most intelligent of course. I am just stating some of the positive things in my chart, and like everyone else I also have very negative things in my chart as well, don't take it the wrong way.)

(Because I hate lying or being modest. If I'm good at something, I say it, if I'm bad at something I say it.)

Some people either think I boast of myself (when talking of what I'm good at), or either believe I'm embarrassing my self (when I talk about things I suck at). But with my Mercury square Pluto, I don't lie, that's one thing.

I hope this helped you.

Sorry if it is too long, I just drank a cinnamon - sage leaves - green tea - concentrated and it made me so hyper I'm literally shaking.

I think it activated my Mars-Jupiter here

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posted August 30, 2014 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this aspect, but I don't think I'm uncontrollable. It's more like a mood of 'pissy sarcasm' and biting words.

I do have small outbursts, but more like a temper tantrum. I don't hurt anyone or anything and with maturity I stopped slamming doors and cupboards, etc.

This explanation from astro.com describes me better:

"This is usually a very positive aspect, but you must develop some self-control. Otherwise you will take foolish risks that cannot possibly work out.

You are very optimistic and have a lot of energy. You believe that everything will work out all right, which is true, if you are a little careful.

You hate to stand still in life or be restricted. You want to be constantly on the move, having new experiences and seeing new places.

Most people will like to be around you because of your energy and enthusiasm. However, you may be a bit thoughtless toward others. Your social life will be improved if you think about what you are going to say before you speak."

I suppose if he has a more aggressive Mars or Moon, maybe? Or as others said, some Uranus involvement.

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posted August 30, 2014 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alishia@     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What happens when they conjunct ?

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posted August 30, 2014 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 30, 2014 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LionFish:
It's more like huge reactions to things that dont warrant the size of the response. The outbursts are a bit unnerving and make me want to find a hiding place until he's over it.

You know, this sounds a lot more like a Cancer male thing. I've known only three of them, but all three are this way (including my son). Does he have Cancer influence?

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posted August 30, 2014 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7Grace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LionFish:
I guess I used the term uncontrollable because of the size of the blow up when it happens... the natal im referring to isnt my own btw, but someone close to me. It's more like huge reactions to things that dont warrant the size of the response. The outbursts are a bit unnerving and make me want to find a hiding place until he's over it. And I DO have Mars/Uranus, Moon/Mars, AND Sun/Mars, all hard aspects (conjuct, quincunx, and square respectively) and all under 2 degree orb. So I understand hot-headedness, but this is different. Like, "Why are you SO mad at this small problem/inconvenience?" is usually my line of thinking. It's excessive, not uncontrollable and excessive is what made me think Mars/Jupiter

Have a look at the synastry. Mars hard aspects to personal planets, are not easy. Do they activate your natal Mars. I guess if you're female, you might be projecting your Mars, what house is your Mars in...
If I where you, I'd research my personal aspects from Mars. Maybe seek an internal solution somehow.

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posted August 30, 2014 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Geeky:
You know, this sounds a lot more like a Cancer male thing. I've known only three of them, but all three are this way (including my son). Does he have Cancer influence?


Yesssss cancer Asc

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posted August 30, 2014 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 7Grace:
Have a look at the synastry. Mars hard aspects to personal planets, are not easy. Do they activate your natal Mars. I guess if you're female, you might be projecting your Mars, what house is your Mars in...
If I where you, I'd research my personal aspects from Mars. Maybe seek an internal solution somehow.

We have moon/mars dw in synastry.. Opp and square.. And his mars is trine my sun.. The outbursts arent usually directed at me. Usually it's nothing to do with me at all. Our Moon/Mars usually plays out the way everyone hopes this aspect plays out.. All steamy and sexy and intense.. We both have 5h mars in our natals.

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I think no one read my post.

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posted August 31, 2014 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
I think no one read my post.


I did... I just had no comment to add to it.

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posted August 31, 2014 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter Aspect Mars http://youtu.be/gmHzvad_qkE

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posted August 31, 2014 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LionFish:
Yesssss cancer Asc

And I just remembered a fourth one I know. He's my friend's husband.

He got pissy once because she left mail on the kitchen table so he kicked over the trash can THEN smashed her graham crackers.

He is 46 years old. :/

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posted August 31, 2014 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me, I have seen Mars-Jupiter manifest in others as extreme optimism, some 'pushiness' and/or a lot of energy. They can be fair-weathered friends. If you agree whole heartedly with them, they are your best supporters; if you try to suggest they are wrong or if you try to stop them in their pursuits, they can become angry, but the anger seems to die out relatively quickly.

If you're looking for unpredictable or uncontrolled expressions of anger, I would look to Mars-Pluto and Mars-Uranus, which I believe Vajra also mentioned. I have both, and I've experienced it myself. I've seen intense, frightening rages in people with the hard aspect between Mars and Pluto. I have the hard aspect between Mars and Uranus, and for me, the anger is more unpredictable than uncontrolled. Mars trine Pluto actually helps me control it most of the time, unless I explode and I can't hold back anymore.

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