posted August 30, 2014 09:14 PM            

This is where I found out about them (from looking at the main/initial graphic): http://revpamcrane.weebly.com/the-dwad.html

(In their case, they used "Dwads", but for my case, I used Duads. It's the same idea and math so you can apply it to Dwads instead of Duads if you like to.

-Signs are 30 degrees long (12 signs in 360 degrees)
-Decans are 10 degrees long (3 Decans in a sign)
-Duads are 2.5 degrees long (12 Duads in a sign, 4 Duads in a Decan)
-Super Duads are 12.5 minutes long (12 Super Duads in a Duad)

Super Duad calculation:

60 minutes = 1 degree
30 minutes = 0.5 degrees
150 minutes = 2.5 degrees
Duad = 2.5 degrees

60 + 60 + 30 = 150
150/12.5 = 12 (all 12 signs)

12.5 minutes = 1 Super Duad (12 Super Duads per Duad, which are 2.5 degrees each)
Each Super Duad starts off with the Duad sign. So if you have a Gemini Duad, for example, you will then start off with a Gemini Super Duad for the first 12.5 minutes, then the next 12.5 minutes is the Cancer Super Duad, then the next 12.5 minutes is the Leo Super Duad, etc.

(You can use these first 12 if you start off with a Duad which starts off at either 0 degrees or 5 degrees (so if a planet is in between 0.00 - 2.30 degrees or 5.00 - 7.30 degrees, for example... or 10.00 - 12.30 degrees, or 25.00 - 27.30 degrees, etc):

0.00 - 0.12.5 minutes = 1st sign
0.12.5 - 0.25 minutes = 2nd sign
0.25 - 0.37.5 minutes = 3rd sign
0.37.5 - 0.50 minutes = 4th sign
0.50 - 1.2.5 = 5th sign
1.2.5 - 1.15 = 6th sign
1.15 - 1.27.5 = 7th sign
1.27.5 - 1.40 = 8th sign
1.40 - 1.52.5 = 9th sign
1.52.5 - 2.05 = 10th sign
2.05 - 2.17.5 = 11th sign
2.17.5 - 2.30 = 12th sign

-Or (depending on the degree which you start of with)-

(You can use this second row of 12 if you start off with a Duad which starts off at either 2.5 degrees or 7.5 degrees (so if a planet is in between 2.30 - 5.00 degrees, or 7.30 - 10.00 degrees, for example... or 17.30 - 20.00 degrees, or 22.30 - 25.00 degrees, etc):

2.30 - 2.42.5 = 1st sign
2.42.5 - 2.55 = 2nd sign
2.55 - 3.7.5 = 3rd sign
3.7.5 - 3.20 = 4th sign
3.20 - 3.32.5 = 5th sign
3.32.5 - 3.45 = 6th sign
3.45 - 3.57.5 = 7th sign
3.57.5 - 4.10 = 8th sign
4.10 - 4.22.5 = 9th sign
4.22.5 - 4.35 = 10th sign
4.35 - 4.47.5 = 11th sign
4.47.5 - 5.00 = 12th sign

(Or, if this confuses you even more, just calculate the Super Duads yourself by adding 12.5 minutes until you arrive at the exact degree your specific planet is in, and remembering which Super Duad sign you count up to is).

I'll break my Sun sign down for example. Alright, so my Sun is in Virgo at 23.58 degrees...

So 20 - 29 degrees Virgo is the Taurus Decan, so my Sun is in the Taurus Decan. Then, 22.30 - 25.00 degrees Virgo is the Gemini Duad, so my Sun is in the Gemini Duad. Then, 23.57.5 - 24.10 degrees Virgo is the Capricorn Super Duad, so my Sun is in the Capricorn Super Duad (remember, my Sun is at 23.58 degrees Virgo).

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You can also find out your Super Dwads. It's the same thing, except this time, instead of starting with the sign as the Dwad (if you have a Scorpio Duad, for example, you would start with the Scorpio Duad for the first 12.5 minutes. But since it's Dwads not Duads), you always start with Aries. So it's a tiny bit easier to figure out. If you don't know your Dwads, just check your 12th Harmonic Chart. Remember, "Duads" and "Dwads" are NOT the same exact thing.

Lastly, there is a much simpler way to find your Super Dwads (as stated above how you would manually find them). All you have to do is look at your 144th Harmonic Chart. You don't have to calculate it because Astro.com does this one (Dwads instead of Duads) for you because they use the Dwads instead of the Duads. They are two different methods. Some prefer using the Duads because they start off with the sign of the Decan, so it seems unique to that particular sign it started with (whether that'd be a Decan when calculating a Duad, or a Duad when calculating a Super Duad), while some prefer Dwads because it's simpler and it doesn't start off with the Decan... and it always starts off with Aries instead (since there is no Decan to follow a pattern with). I personally prefer Duads, though. If you prefer Dwads over Duads, then lucky you, because you don't have to go through all this tedious calculating yourself, lol. The reason it's the 144th Harmonic is because 12 x 12 = 144. The first 12 represents the 12 Dwads in a sign, and the second 12 represents the 12 Super Dwads in a Dwad. So it breaks it down into 144 parts in one 30 degree sign.

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Now Super Duads/Super Dwads can obviously be broken down even further, but I say Super Duads/Super Dwads are the furthest you should go, lol. It's already complex and the influence from the Super Duad is insignificant enough. But, if you are insane enough... you would then break down the Super Duad into an Ultra Duad by making each Super Duad contain the 12 signs once again. But this time, each Ultra Duad in the Super Duad is exactly about 1.0416666666666667 minutes. Because 12.5/12 = 1.0416666666666667. The 12.5 represents the minutes each Super Duad is, and the 12 represents all 12 signs that need to be equally divided into 12.5. So when you test this by doing 1.0416666666666667 x 12 (the first number representing the Ultra Duad minutes and the second number representing the 12 signs that need to equally fit into the Super Duad), you get 12.5000000000000004. Although while it's not exactly 12.5, it's the closest it can come to it.

So 1.0416666666666667 rounded is 1.0417 - which then rounds to 1.0420 - which then rounds to 1.0400 - which finally rounds to 1.04 minutes for each Ultra Duad (now remember, this still doesn't exactly equal to 12.5 when you calculate 1.04 x 12 because you get 12.48, instead of a perfect/exact 12.5) - (so technically, it's impossible to get it 100% perfectly even for Ultra Duads). (I rounded it in every step to show the whole calculation. Yes, I know, it was a bit pointless, but I wanted to show ALL my steps as to how I arrived to that definitive answer).

I'd recommend that you need to know your exact second of birth to get the accurate sign for your Ultra Duad/Ultra Dwad placement. How many people know their second of birth? I'm pretty sure not a single person on this forum and a handful of people in the world. So Ultra Duads/Dwads are indeed rather unobtainable and pointless anyway, as their influence is even less significant than Super Duads/Super Dwads, with the latter already being kind of redundant.

And if you're wondering if I tried these Ultra Duads for my chart yet, I have one thing to say about that... do I look insane!? "We can't see you, Mercurian Intellect." Oh, right. So then, I would say... do I seem insane!? And it's not like a person can "look" insane anyway. "Well you're the one who asked if you looked insane, idiot." Shut up!
No but really I can't anyway, as I do not know my second of birth, so the sign I get may be incorrect.

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Here are mine:

Planet - Sign - Decan - Duad - Super Duad:

Sun - Virgo - Taurus - Gemini - Capricorn
Moon - Gemini - Aquarius - Taurus - Scorpio
Ascendant - Leo - Sagittarius - Pisces - Aquarius
Mercury - Libra - Aquarius - Taurus - Scorpio
Venus - Libra - Libra - Libra - Aries
Mars - Scorpio - Scorpio - Capricorn - Virgo
Jupiter - Sagittarius - Sagittarius - Pisces - Leo
Saturn - Pisces - Scorpio - Scorpio - Aries
Chiron - Libra - Libra - Libra - Pisces
Uranus - Capricorn - Virgo - Scorpio - Aries
Neptune - Capricorn - Virgo - Libra - Aquarius
Pluto - Scorpio - Cancer - Libra - Capricorn

So what are your Super Duads for each planet?

I hope I explained this correctly and thoroughly. If you have any questions, please ask

Even though I have things in bold, I would advise you to read everything (unless you can figure it out without reading everything) because it helps you figure out how to calculate the Super Duads easier.

I highly doubt anyone is going to reply to this thread because there is too many numbers involved, lol. Prove me wrong, people!

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♍ Virgo Sun/2nd/Taurus Decan
♊ Gemini Moon/11th/Aquarius Decan
♌ Leo Ascendant/Sagittarius Decan
♎ Libra dominant

posted August 30, 2014 10:57 PM            

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Originally posted by SunsetsAndRainyDays:
I'll do it! Sounds fun.
brb - doing maths -

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Haha, alright.

posted August 30, 2014 11:19 PM            

Planet - Sign - Decan - Duad - Super Duad:

ASC - Virgo - Capricorn - Aries - Aries
Sun - Pisces - Pisces - Gemini - Virgo
Moon - Virgo - Taurus - Taurus - Sagittarius
Mercury - Aquarius - Libra - Scorpio - Libra
Venus - Pisces - Cancer - Libra - Sagittarius
Mars - Aquarius - Libra - Scorpio - Pisces
Jupiter - Scorpio - Pisces - Aries - Aquarius
Saturn - Pisces - Pisces - Aries - Leo
Uranus - Capricorn - Virgo - Libra - Leo
Neptune - Capricorn - Virgo - Virgo - Leo
Pluto - Scorpio - Cancer - Libra - Sagittarius
Chiron - Virgo - Virgo - Scorpio - Pisces

This was pretty cool, very interesting. I even noticed a couple of planets having the same decan, duad, and super duad, although they are in different signs. I wonder what that could mean, if anything...

posted August 30, 2014 11:36 PM            

Your Sun is pretty cool. It has two Pisces and two Mercurian signs. So all mutable signs.

Well I think each layer (Decan -> Duad -> Super Duad) alters the planet's sign placement. So a Virgo Sun in the Taurus Decan obviosuly alters the Virgo Sun with a Taurean vibe, and then the Gemini Duad alters the vibe even more, and the Capricorn Super Duad alters the vibe even more. Until it forms it's own, unique energy for your planetary placement. Each layer gets less significant and has less of an impact. The sign having the strongest and main influence, and also the base and foundation as which the layers alter. The Decan having the 2nd strongest strength, Duads 3rd, and Super Duads, 4th and least strength.

posted August 31, 2014 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
whoa interesting. which out of the 4 do you think is the most powerful for a degree? is it all even? its interesting how you can have a degree in a sign like capricorn, yet a duad in libra, and super duad in aries, giving it a lot of oomph

this is so interesting, because i was pretty sure each degree had its own energy, and theorized that each degree the polarity shifted, but i wasnt sure if it was by one degree or what. so maybe what i was feeling when i felt a degree change was a change of super duad. in this case which makes perfect sense.

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Well the sign itself that the planet is in is the strongest. As that forms the basis and foundation if all the layers (Decan, Duad and Super Duad).

I mean, you can also think of it as if a placement for example is Mars in Virgo. Neutral placement, right? Well if that person had it in the Capricorn Decan, then it will make the Mars more powerful and beneficial, and if it's in the Scorpio Duad and Aries Super Duad, for example, it will make it much stronger and alter the Virgo Mars to act more like the other layers with also maintain the initial Virgo energy - which in this case, makes the Virgo Mars more Marsian. It combines all the energies. with the Sign having the most power, the Decan having the 2nd most power, Duad having the 3rd most power and Super Duad having the least power of the 4.

And yeah, I would think that the Super Duad had to do with feeling a change. And wow, that's crazy that you were able to feel that insignificant (at least in my opinion) energy changing. Because the Super Duad has such a small influence on the planet's sign placement.

posted August 31, 2014 02:59 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
Thanks for posting. Hmm. Drimblit. Dublit. Dud

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Haha, Dublit has a nice ring. Maybe.