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Cancerman77
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posted September 08, 2014 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancerman77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please help me understand you better. I am head over heals for a lost, Leo love and It's eating me alive.

Me: 37yr old Typical Cancer July 21 which means I'm on a cusp of Leo. kind, warm, charming, compassionate, and a worrywart at times. I consider myself to be a mostly evolved Cancer. My moods are fairly stable when not dealing with a breakup.

Her: 29 yr old Leo on the cusp of Vergo.
She is super sweet, kind, beyond cute, super sexy, smart, and at times completely inconsiderate and selfish. I think she is unfortunately a Leo who is in the beginning stages of evolving. She is surrounded by dudes and always sleeping with a few of them. She can't seem to handle being alone, especially without the attention of a man. But it's so strange because It's like she knows what she is doing is selfish, and I can sense the guilt in her heart from many of the selfish things she has done, but she refuses to let it change her. Ugh. I love this woman so much and she is so not ready for the kind of relationship I want. Will she ever be???

Help me please!

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athenegoddess
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posted September 08, 2014 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
post her chart.

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Cancerman77
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posted September 08, 2014 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancerman77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really wish I could but I don't know the details of her chart. I don't even know mine.

All I know is that she is a Leo/Virgo cusp and I am a Cancer/Leo Cusp.

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athenegoddess
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posted September 08, 2014 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well its impossible to know how she truly is then. sun sign alone just tells of her inner ego.

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Solar_Leo_Queen
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posted September 08, 2014 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sad to say, I'm exactly like her. I'm only 17, but a lot of stuff has happened to me in the past month that have completely changed me. Love has totally f*cked me over. This is not to say all Leo women are like this. But as you say, she is unevolved like me. All I can say is that we need a lot of time to figure out what we really want. Right now, I don't even think I'm ready for a relationship. I just fooled around with a bunch of dudes right after some guy I was so devoted to tore me apart. I just realized what a terrible person I've become and I intend to change for the better. I don't know about her, but usually, some people turn into a$$holes after they get f*cked over and used too much. It's not just Leos. It goes for everyone else. If she did have a past where she was hurt a lot by a guy, then that would mean she just needs someone to show her what love really is about.

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Cancerman77
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posted September 08, 2014 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancerman77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Solar_Leo_Queen

Reading your story breaks my heart. You are only 17. Please don't be too hard on yourself. Everyone makes mistakes! I've made many over the years. I think it's great you are realizing that your not living the life you want to live and want o work on changing. That takes courage and wisdom! Most people your age don't even think about how they might be treating people a way they aren't proud of or allow people to treat them like dirt. Congrats for being self-aware!! I'm sorry to hear about your heartbreak with your ex. Love can be so painful, it really is one of the worst kinds of pain a human will endure over their life. I wish you the best of luck in your journey. Just remember to treat people the way you want to be treated and you will do well!!

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Solar_Leo_Queen
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posted September 08, 2014 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much for the encouragement I definitely need to focus on myself more right now. But as for your Leo girl, she really needs to get her sh*t together. She's almost 30. She can't keep fooling around and realize later on what she had. Make her see what you can give her, but make sure not to give it all away. Also, give her time. But if that doesn't work, then sadly, she's not the one. I hope yours works out in the end.

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Geeky
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posted September 08, 2014 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
But as for your Leo girl, she really needs to get her sh*t together. She's almost 30. She can't keep fooling around and realize later on what she had.

Ok... I am going to step in with some real talk here as a woman in my 30s.

Maybe she doesn't want to stop fooling around? You ever consider that? And who are you to try to tell someone else what they should and shouldn't do? That's awfully judgmental.

I only stopped because I married a monogamous man but if he would let me, I would STILL be fooling around (I am polyamorous).

It has NOTHING to do with my having my sh*t together or not (because, I do have it together and I need no man). I am married now, true, but I still pay all of my own bills.

I just happen to be very selfish (Virgo sun, Leo rising) and picky and I like lots of sex.

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lalalinda
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posted September 08, 2014 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Cancerman77! Welcome to LL

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Geeky
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posted September 08, 2014 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Cancerman77:
It's like she knows what she is doing is selfish, and I can sense the guilt in her heart from many of the selfish things she has done, but she refuses to let it change her.

I am not on the cusp, but I am a Virgo Sun with Leo rising. I am the most stubborn person I know and VERY sure of myself... bordering on conceited & I won't change for anyone.

I have made a compromise to be married because it truly goes against my nature, but maybe that's because I'm a little older? Not sure.

I'm not saying it's hopeless, but I don't think your Cancer heart can take being in love with her.

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Cancerman77
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posted September 08, 2014 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancerman77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geeky

I have no issues with any adults doing what ever they want to do, provided they are up front with their intentions. If you're polyamorous, why would you want to settle down with someone who is monogamous? Won't sex with the same person get old and eventually cause a conflict? Just curious. Some people are not content being with one person and that is fine, but if that's you, are you running a huge risk of being unhappy?

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Cancerman77
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posted September 08, 2014 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancerman77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geeky

"I'm not saying it's hopeless, but I don't think your Cancer heart can take being in love with her."

Thank you for the kind words. Unfortunately I think you may be right.

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Cancerman77
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posted September 08, 2014 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancerman77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lalalinda

Thank you for the warm welcome!!!

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Cancerman77
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posted September 08, 2014 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancerman77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the hardest things is missing my friend. I'm not avoiding contacting her because I'm stubborn, I just don't want to interrupt her life if she is happy and seeing someone else. And I need to heal, because I love her dearly and my heart breaks a little at the thought of never having her in my arms again. I miss her so incredibly much and I know she probably misses me too, but she is not in-love with me and I am still in-love with her. So I guess all I can do is wait and try to move on.

We didn't plan on falling in love. Being a Cancer, I fell first, and being quite the charmer, and great lover, she eventually fell to, but we should not have gone there.

I hate being such a stupid hopeless romantic sometimes. Life would be so much easier, but it is who I am. No matter how much I try to change that it doesn't seem to ever change.

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Cancerman77
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posted September 08, 2014 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancerman77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She is friends with most of her ex's and they didn't treat her as well as I did, so I can assume she would like to be friends, but I'm just not ready for that. I wonder if she is afraid to contact me because she doesn't want to hurt me? The last time she text me she asked if she left something at my place, something she would have asked for much sooner had it actually been missing. I think she just wanted to make sure I wasn't mad at her. I'm not. I'm frustrated and miss her, but not mad. Neither of us are perfect.

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Cancerman77
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posted September 08, 2014 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancerman77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geeky

If you don't mind me asking, how old were you when you decided to settle down? If that's too personal please disregard. I know age can be a touchy subject.

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Geeky
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posted September 08, 2014 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Cancerman77:
Geeky

If you don't mind me asking, how old were you when you decided to settle down? If that's too personal please disregard. I know age can be a touchy subject.


35 and because he was worth it.

I think I realized there is no "perfect" man and I had to make compromises if I wanted to have a partner.

However, if I had a polyamorous partner, I think we'd not have stupid arguments because the arguments are about my needs not being met (not sexual needs, but romantic needs). And unfortunately for him, I am needy when it comes to getting romance / attention and that is something he is not good at.

He's good at 'being there' and he is dependable. I don't doubt that he loves me, but he's not romantic AT ALL... it's just how he is.

I decided to live with that considering all of his other good qualities. For a couple of weeks after we got married, I thought maybe I couldn't do it. But, I love him, so that's that.

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Geeky
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posted September 08, 2014 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh & also... if this were an open marriage situation, I'd certainly have a new boyfriend to tell me I'm beautiful, rub my feet, text me throughout the day, go dancing with me, etc. because I THRIVE on that kind of attention.

But I've attempted to discuss that option twice and he shot me down. As I said, that's okay... if not being romantic is his only 'bad' quality, I'm quite lucky!

He doesn't drink or smoke, play video games, gamble, or have any other bad vices or hobbies that cost a fortune. He's dependable and trustworthy and I admire that a lot.

Your Leo/Virgo woman might evolve more with age, but it's hard to know without seeing the other aspects of her natal chart.

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Geeky
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posted September 08, 2014 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Cancerman77:
Geeky

"I'm not saying it's hopeless, but I don't think your Cancer heart can take being in love with her."

Thank you for the kind words. Unfortunately I think you may be right.


I am only saying that because I have a close friend who is a Cancer male and my teenage son is as well and they are the sweetest & most sensitive people I've ever known. Aside from the occasional temper tantrum of kicking things over or throwing things.

I personally can't imagine being with someone so sensitive (such as a Cancer) because I am a Virgo and very critical / impossible to please. My words can be very cutting if someone doesn't have a strong exterior or a solid dose of confidence.

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Solar_Leo_Queen
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posted September 09, 2014 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Geeky:
Ok... I am going to step in with some real talk here as a woman in my 30s.

Maybe she doesn't want to stop fooling around? You ever consider that? And who are you to try to tell someone else what they should and shouldn't do? That's awfully judgmental.


Hey, you're right. I'm gonna apologize for what I said. I've just really been angry the past few days.

But like you said, if this woman doesn't wanna stop, then maybe she's not right for him. Better to move on to something better.

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Geeky
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posted September 09, 2014 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
Hey, you're right. I'm gonna apologize for what I said. I've just really been angry the past few days.

But like you said, if this woman doesn't wanna stop, then maybe she's not right for him. Better to move on to something better.


SLQ me too (the angry thing). I didn't mean to jump down your throat, it just hit a nerve.

I agree with you that he may consider moving on to someone better suited to him. I've been that person (in love with someone I cannot have) and it sucks. It literally wrecked my life for two years. I don't wish that on anyone. :/

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Cancerman77
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posted September 09, 2014 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancerman77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geeky

I came across an interesting article written by a poly man called "Poly People I Can Do Without". I thought you may find it interesting
http://www.heartless-******* .com/rants/manipulator/polypeople.shtml

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Cancerman77
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posted September 09, 2014 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancerman77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol well the link didn't paste properly due to a bad word in the title.

Just Google "Poly People I Can Do Without". It will be the first link that comes up.

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Jessica2407
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posted September 10, 2014 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Cancerman77:
Please help me understand you better. I am head over heals for a lost, Leo love and It's eating me alive.

Me: 37yr old Typical Cancer July 21 which means I'm on a cusp of Leo. kind, warm, charming, compassionate, and a worrywart at times. I consider myself to be a mostly evolved Cancer. My moods are fairly stable when not dealing with a breakup.

Her: 29 yr old Leo on the cusp of Vergo.
She is super sweet, kind, beyond cute, super sexy, smart, and at times completely inconsiderate and selfish. I think she is unfortunately a Leo who is in the beginning stages of evolving. She is surrounded by dudes and always sleeping with a few of them. She can't seem to handle being alone, especially without the attention of a man. But it's so strange because It's like she knows what she is doing is selfish, and I can sense the guilt in her heart from many of the selfish things she has done, but she refuses to let it change her. Ugh. I love this woman so much and she is so not ready for the kind of relationship I want. Will she ever be???

Help me please!


I have a leo sun,merc,venus,saturn and ceres.

I take it that you only know her Sun position in her chart? She could have a stellium in another planet's house that would help you understand her better since that planet will tend to highly influence how she deals with romantic relationships, including her mars, 5th house ruler and planets that are positioned in the 5th house, also her 7th house.

But if a person is not ready for a committed relationship, it means they are not ready regardless of their sun signs.

I can feel from your post that this love is hurting you. You do know that love can't hurt right? If it does, you have to do something about it. First and foremost be kind to yourself only then people will treat you kindly.

All the best to you.

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