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Topic: The Dreaded "16 Degree" Sign Position
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margym0o
Knowflake Posts: 214
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jul 2014
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posted September 11, 2014 02:06 PM
  
Apparently my Chiron in Gemini at 16.17 degrees spells doom for me (at least according to an interpretation on Astrotheme). They say (in so many words) that I will suffer at the hands of another (i.e. get hit by a car) and ultimately become a burden on my family due to my injuries. Really uplifting huh?Is there any validity to the menacing 16 degree theory? IP: Logged |
carm76
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From: toronto, on
Registered: Aug 2014
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posted September 11, 2014 02:11 PM
I hope not.I have Saturn retro 16.51 2H Leo. Can you post the link? IP: Logged |
ilunatique
Knowflake Posts: 242
From: daydreaming on uranus
Registered: Jun 2014
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posted September 11, 2014 02:17 PM
16 degree? What?I only know about the 29 anaretic degree which is probably the most destructive one, but 16, no. Classic critical degrees are as follows: 0, 13, and 26 degrees of the cardinal signs (Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn) 8-9 and 21-22 degrees of fixed signs (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius); and 4 and 17 degrees of mutable signs (Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, and Pisces). These are considered sensitive, and sometimes strengthening, points. If a natal planet is found in a critical degree, that planet is thought to be emphasized and to assume more power in the life of the native due to its placement. IP: Logged |
Sailor Gemini
Knowflake Posts: 640
From: Magellan Castle, Venus
Registered: Mar 2013
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posted September 11, 2014 11:33 PM
29th Degree is destructive!? I sure hope not. I have a Gemini SUN on the 29th...
The I got my Node on 13 degrees Libra. That can't be only a placement of impending doom; almost nothing in Astrology is THAT black and white.------------------
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ilunatique
Knowflake Posts: 242
From: daydreaming on uranus
Registered: Jun 2014
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posted September 12, 2014 09:13 AM
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Sailor Gemini
Hey.. Hey.. Hey.. Dont get scared.!  Its just said to be destructive if you don't use that energy well or if you are unable to control it. Why? Because the energy of the planet is just too erratic when its at 29 degrees because its getting the energies of 2 signs IN THE SAME TIME. She doesnt really know what to be. Like, if you have sun at 29 degrees Gemini you could have times when you would talk too much, then times when you would be more quiet and shy, reserved, like cancer. You have to find a balance, though. For example, a sad case, though.
Joan rivers had Venus conjunct mercury exact at the famous 29 critical degree in Gemini. She died because of her vocal cords. Think about it, Venus is the ruler of Taurus - the neck, the voice, conjunct with mercury which shows media and communication. She was destined to use her voice in the media. But did she do it well? Was she emotional and informative in the same time? No. She just insulted everyone for the heck of the show all of her life. Case of death? Her voice. What a coincidence. You're gonna be fine, you just have to find that balance.  IP: Logged |
ilunatique
Knowflake Posts: 242
From: daydreaming on uranus
Registered: Jun 2014
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posted September 12, 2014 09:17 AM
If a natal planet is found at 29 degrees of any sign, also known as the Anaretic degree, there can be some real issues with decision-making in that part of the personality represented by the energies of the planet. The native may evaluate and re-evaluate situations before making a move one day, and the next day, jump into the action without listening to himself or herself! For example, if Mars is at 29 degrees, the native may devise many plans of actions, worry excessively about the possible actions and different routes to take, and then execute a spontaneous action that is contrary to the decision!
I know a woman whose Juno is at 29 degrees, and despite the fact that she has many theories about taking relationships seriously, jumps into them quickly. A man with 29 degrees of Mercury agonizes over decisions in his life, and vacillates between talking too much and too little.IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
Moderator Posts: 2236
From: CO, USA
Registered: Apr 2012
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posted September 12, 2014 10:21 AM
I agree with @ilunatique. The 29h degree is not destructive, so much as it is impatient and unsure. In the case of how a planet behaves at the 29th degree, I like to use the analogy that every sign is like a different outfit. The 29th degree planet is tired of the outfit it has on, so it tries on the outfit of the sign after it now and then and adopts the sign's behaviors. But the 29th degree planet can never fully adopt the next sign's behaviors and it's often a hollow or even negative expression of the next sign's function in that planet. The shoe doesn't fit, so to speak; the outfit feels wrong, too big or too small. This is because the 29th degree planet is denying itself and its truth. Usually when someone has a 29th degree planet they skip back and forth between loving and hating the planet's qualities. The whole point though is that the 29th degree planet has to be accepted for what it is in its entirety for the planet to function at the highest capacity. IP: Logged |
Koho
Knowflake Posts: 25
From: New York
Registered: Jun 2014
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posted September 12, 2014 05:41 PM
I find the degree system hit or miss. I'm a neophyte with this though! I notice it usually hits with the Midheaven though. Here's mine for Capricorn 25 56Interpretation of the 25° Capricorn symbolic degree
"« Boats sail on a glassy sea. On the shore, a path leads to a pine tree forest." (Janduz version)
Proud, tranquil, and generous character. One has a keen interest in seas and rainforests, and it is most likely that one achieves success in water sports and any occupation dealing with water or tropical plantations such as rubber, coffee, sugar cane, etc. This one came into fruition when I joined the Coast Guard and decided it to be my main career. It also explained my Neptune in the 9H. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
Moderator Posts: 239
From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse
Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 12, 2014 06:00 PM
Believe it or not, that's not actually 16 degrees in terms of the traditional method. 16º01-17º01 is all the 17th degree. Whereas, the 16th degree would be 15º01-16º01.Whether it's really all that dreaded is a matter of debate. The Anaretic and critical degrees vary depending upon sign. 17th degree is critical in Mutable signs; not Fixed. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
Moderator Posts: 239
From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse
Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 12, 2014 06:02 PM
Also, please don't work yourselves up over something as arbitrary as an ancient degree classification system.It's ALL relative. Trust me. IP: Logged |
carm76
Knowflake Posts: 187
From: toronto, on
Registered: Aug 2014
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posted September 12, 2014 06:33 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aubyanne:
[B]Believe it or not, that's not actually 16 degrees in terms of the traditional method. 16º01-17º01 is all the 17th degree. Whereas, the 16th degree would be 15º01-16º01.phew  Thank you for clarifying IP: Logged |
carm76
Knowflake Posts: 187
From: toronto, on
Registered: Aug 2014
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posted September 12, 2014 06:37 PM
What if one had the Asc ruler in a 29th degree?example: I'm cancer rising and was born during a VOC and it's at 29.54 Aries. IP: Logged |
Sailor Gemini
Knowflake Posts: 640
From: Magellan Castle, Venus
Registered: Mar 2013
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posted September 12, 2014 06:46 PM
Wow... I think I just realized most of my family has a prominent 29th degree.------------------
I call the planets by their Greek names.
Now please stop asking which asteroids I'm using? ^-^'
-La Sorcière du Temps IP: Logged |
PlutoSurvivor
Moderator Posts: 1013
From: USA
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 12, 2014 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by margym0o:
Apparently my Chiron in Gemini at 16.17 degrees spells doom for me (at least according to an interpretation on Astrotheme). They say (in so many words) that I will suffer at the hands of another (i.e. get hit by a car) and ultimately become a burden on my family due to my injuries. Really uplifting huh?Is there any validity to the menacing 16 degree theory?
actually 16 degrees gemini is the planetary node of venus, and it is also the position of the royal star rigel in orion, if i'm not mistaken how can this be destructive? perhaps more investigation is needed here IP: Logged |
GemBird82
Knowflake Posts: 245
From: Female bird from France
Registered: Feb 2014
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posted September 12, 2014 08:15 PM
( ~ I think I bit the lure!  )  As far as I know, 16th degree of Gemini doesn't have a negative influence.
Talking about zodiac degrees of course, but in chaldean numerology 16 has another side: Sadly, it can be reduced to number 7.
But, since the vast majority of us DON'T born with a placement like 16º CERO minutes (0') I think it doesn't matter. I'm saying this because I've seen a reduced number of people with nice placements like 11º11' or 14º14' and oh! what a divine "coincidence" (lol) this person has benevolent influences present in the environment He/She was raised, in some other cases the nature of the individual tends to be benevolent on its own. Quite interesting. Well, I don't think there's nothing really 'negative' about that Chiron as many others have said
And before we blame the centaur about possible afflictions, it would be nice if we first check out the other 'more personal' objects and angles in the natal. P.S. Astrotheme wants money, in my opinion of course (and I cannot just keep quiet about it).
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