posted September 12, 2014 06:27 PM            

Self: Name Asteroid->Apollonas->Artemis->ASC
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7 Iris
Thought: Hermes->2 Pallas Athene->Chiron->Ouranos
75 Eurydike
3361 Orpheus
Love: Aphrodite->1 Demetra(Ceres)->Pholus->Poseidonas
16 Psyche
433 Eros
Drive: Ares->4 Hestia(Vesta)->Nessus->Hades
29 Amphitrite
577 Rhea
Expansion: Dios->5 Astraea->???->h49 Tyche
136199 Eris
40 Harmonia
Control: Kronos->3 Hera(Juno)->???->h57 Persephone
258 Tyche and 128 Nemesis
38083 Radamanthys and 6239 Minoas
Karma: Lilit-Priapos-Rahu-Ketu
1923 Osiris
42 Isis

The Asteroids in between each Octave act as links between the two. However, there are two centaurs missing, along with missing links, which I am unsure of at the moment. The final two might have to do with Rebirth.

I'm using only Greek asteroids because that's which I'm most familiar with, but I won't object to any others.

posted September 12, 2014 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Sailor Gemini:
Oh, I wasn't sure if this goes in Asteroid Astrology because this involves asteroids, or if it goes here because of the topic. Please move it if it doesn't belong.

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IMO, I think this belongs to Astrology 2.0 because it is the more advanced Astrology (Octaves), not basic Astrology (Astrology 1.0 or simply Beginner's Astrology).

posted September 12, 2014 07:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Sailor Gemini:

Control: Kronos->3 Hera(Juno)->???->h57 Persephone
258 Tyche and 128 Nemesis
38083 Radamanthys and 6239 Minoas
Karma: Lilit-Priapos-Rahu-Ketu

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I'll start with Control to Karma.

They are linked by 258 Tyche and 128 Nemesis. While not the judges of Hypokosmos themselves, they bestow Karma in this World. After Death comes are 38083 Radamanthys and 6239 Minoas, Masters of the Heavenly and Hellish Yards. They are the judges of Hypokosmos who determine whether a Soul deserves Elysium (Heaven), or Tartaros (Hell), or the Isles of the Blessed (Nirvana). Ultimately, you reap what you sow.

posted September 12, 2014 07:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Sailor Gemini:

Love: Aphrodite->1 Demetra(Ceres)->Pholus->Poseidonas
16 Psyche
433 Eros
Drive: Ares->4 Hestia(Vesta)->Nessus->Hades

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The divine lovers. Psyche faced Love's heavenly(?) wrath and had to complete a few seemingly impossible tasks, involving going to Hypokosmos, signifying the Subconscious and, after coming back, united with passion (a form of drive) through her own love. I'm sure I don't have to re-tell the legend, so I'm pretty sure we can see where I'm going with this.

posted September 12, 2014 07:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Sailor Gemini:

Drive: Ares->4 Hestia(Vesta)->Nessus->Hades
29 Amphitrite
577 Rhea
Expansion: Dios->5 Astraea->???->h49 Tyche

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The last two that I have at the moment. There's not much mythology to support this, but this is where I go by history.
When the pre-Greek people were invaded, I can only imagine they fought tooth and nail against being conquered, but ultimately were conquered, the Goddesses quietly assimilated into their pantheon. Amphitrite fled from Poseidona's advances, but nonetheless, still married him. Likewise, while Rhea was less direct with her resistance, she hid away Dios against Krono's wishes and assisted him in the Titanomachia. In either case, through marriage, they gained kingdoms; Amphitrite became queen of the seas and the goddess of saltwater, and Rhea became the honored mother of Dios, and lived on Olympos.

posted September 12, 2014 10:56 PM            

-Self: Sun -> Earth
-Emotion: Moon -> Ceres
-Structure: Vulcan -> Saturn
-Intellect: Mercury -> Uranus
-Idealism: Venus -> Neptune
-Drive: Mars -> Pluto
-Truth: Jupiter -> Chiron

Multiple Octaves:

-Self: Sun -> Earth -> Ascendant
-Intellect: Vulcan -> Mercury -> Pallas -> Uranus
-Love/Pleasure: Venus -> Juno -> Ceres -> Neptune
-Instinct/Drive: Moon -> Mars -> Pluto
-Thought/Mental Expansion: Jupiter -> Chiron
-Control: Vesta -> Saturn

I just thought of this now. It is nowhere near finalized. I am really stumped on this one. It's a lot to think about, but this is just something for now. I'm not at all satisfied with it

posted September 13, 2014 12:36 PM            

-Self and Thought: Uranus
-Self and Drive: Mars
-Self and Self: Sun
-Self and Intellect: Uranus
-Self and Love: Venus
-Self and Control: Saturn

-Intellect and Thought: Chiron
-Intellect and Self: Uranus
-Intellect and Drive: Pallas
-Intellect and Intellect: Mercury
-Intellect and Love: Ceres
-Intellect and Control: Vulcan

-Thought and Self: Uranus
-Thought and Drive: Jupiter
-Thought and Thought: Jupiter
-Thought and Intellect: Chrion
-Thought and Love: Neptune
-Thought and Control: Pluto

-Drive and Self: Mars
-Drive and Thought: Jupiter
-Drive and Drive: Mars
-Drive and Love: Juno
-Drive and Intellect: Pallas
-Drive and Control: Pluto

-Love and Self: Venus
-Love and Drive: Juno
-Love and Intellect: Ceres
-Love and Love: Neptune
-Love and Thought: Neptune
-Love and Control: Pluto

-Control and Self: Saturn
-Control and Intellect: Vulcan
-Control and Thought: Pluto
-Control and Love: Pluto
-Control and Control: Saturn

posted September 13, 2014 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Sailor Gemini:
Any particular reasons as to why they might link? Or why you don't like them? By the way, I was thinking 7 Iris would be a link between Self and Thought.

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Oh, they just seem to fit to me. Are there any ones in particular that you want to know why I linked them? Because there are a lot of them to explain, lol

Well I don't like them because I don't feel all that perfectly satisfied with them. It just doesn't feel like it's 100%, you know.

What does Iris represent, astrologically? Because I have that in Gemini in the 10th House.

It's aspects are:

-Quintile Ascendant (1-orb)
-Opposite Jupiter (2-orb)
-Sesquisquare Neptune (1-orb)
-Quincunx Mars (exact)

posted September 13, 2014 05:22 PM            

According to legends, Iris was the rainbow goddess and messenger of Hera. She carried water of the River Styx, which, whenever one swore upon it, they would drink it. Liars would be unable to breathe for a year, and oath-breaking deities were forbidden from the Ambrosia. She might deal with how well one handles their alcohol and how drunk they get in addition to Dionysus, except Iris is more about the communication of fact as opposed to being closer with Chaos.

posted September 13, 2014 05:24 PM            

Doesn't it have something to do with the intellect, though?

posted September 13, 2014 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Sailor Gemini:
I would hope so. Seems to me like a co-ruler of Gemini (communication) and Sagittarius (Truth). I wouldn't say it's intellect, but rather thinking before you say something so it doesn't end up being stupid or awkward or something.

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posted September 14, 2014 01:38 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
..No, Moon and Sun should not have higher octaves for they are intrinsic drives that show our primal and natural bases.

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Anything can have an higher octave, as long as it connects with the base representation in it's evolved state.

posted September 14, 2014 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Furthermore, Venus should not be in it's own separate category for love. Moon is love, Moon is the intimate, vulnerable side of us and our innermost psyche - remember? We need our Moon to feel comfortable to truly love someone. Love either through touch [b]Earth, through minds meeting Air, emotional bonding Water, or the passions and fervor of your adventure Fire. Venus is sensuality, atunement to one senses, what you find beautiful and soothing, how one socializes, fairness, and affection. Moon is very needed to love, because love requires giving your vulnerability to that person and bonding yourself with their soul. By your reasoning Moon is higher octave of Venus, and Psyche the higher octave of Venus.[/B]

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I agree with most of what you said here, but Moon is more of our ability to love, while Venus is more of our outward expression of love. So yes, both are essential in order to love someone or something

posted September 15, 2014 10:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Anything can have an higher octave, as long as it connects with the base representation in it's evolved state.

This is my opinion, at least

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Not quite, it defeats the natural purpose of the planets if all of them have higher states.
Ceres, the nurturer and Moon, the inner psyche are separate archetypes on their own.

posted September 15, 2014 10:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
I agree with most of what you said here, but Moon is more of our ability to love, while Venus is more of our outward expression of love. So yes, both are essential in order to love someone or something

Moon gives the reason to love, as it is emotions and feelings in general, while Venus directs that love outward into an expression. So this is why love itself is under Venus's domain.

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posted September 15, 2014 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Not quite, it defeats the natural purpose of the planets if all of them have higher states.
Ceres, the nurturer and Moon, the inner psyche are separate archetypes on their own.

The Moon and The Sun are conscious/unconscious, they do not have an evolved state.. it evolved on it's own.. but it keeps it's same dignity. This is related to the fact that Sun and Moon only rule 2 signs and they are the main planets.

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I got a thumbs up and a thumbs down, so does this mean I get a a thumbs sideways? Lol, jk

I don't think it does at all. It's simply giving it's base representation a higher state; what it would be if it's evolved. It doesn't change anything or alter the structure of Astrology, it is just an additional feature to consider. The astrologer/person that studies Astrology doesn't have to consider it, as it will just be something extra. That's what the other octaves are as well. They don't need to be affiliated with each other to have the same influence. Astrologers just seen a link between them (Mercury/Uranus. Venus/Neptune and Mars/Pluto) and their representations, so they decided to say that (in this case) the outer planets are the higher octaves of Mercury, Venus and Mars respectively, because they have a connection with their representations and are their evolved/higher state. Octaves are already something extra is what I mean. So there is no reason that any planet, asteroid, etc, can't have a higher octave. All it needs is it to be an evolved/higher state of the original, base representation that you start with.

So to say that the Sun and Moon can't is simply an opinion and/or preference from one Astrologer to the next, according to what I'm trying to say. I'm saying anything can have a higher state/higher octave or even lower state/lower octave (if something that's seems like a higher or lower state of the particular astrological body's influence exists, that is), regardless of what it is.

I understand what you're saying about the Sun and Moon though, as they're the uttermost important in making up the person's psyche, as one is the conscious psyche and the other is the unconscious psyche. You are saying that they're already evolved, as they are already our conscious and unconscious self, so where do you possibly go from there, right? (that's the point you're making) But that doesn't mean that they don't have a planet or body that is an evolved state of them is what I'm trying to say. Maybe you are right about the Sun and Moon not being able to have a higher octave/state though, as the Sun and Moon can't really go too much further in their base representation as it is already making up the conscious and unconscious selves. It's surely a topic to explore, though

posted September 17, 2014 07:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
I got a thumbs up and a thumbs down, so does this mean I get a a thumbs sideways? Lol, jk

I don't think it does at all. It's simply giving it's base representation a higher state; what it would be if it's evolved. It doesn't change anything or alter the structure of Astrology, it is just an additional feature to consider. The astrologer/person that studies Astrology doesn't have to consider it, as it will just be something extra. That's what the other octaves are as well. They don't need to be affiliated with each other to have the same influence. Astrologers just seen a link between them (Mercury/Uranus. Venus/Neptune and Mars/Pluto) and their representations, so they decided to say that (in this case) the outer planets are the higher octaves of Mercury, Venus and Mars respectively, because they have a connection with their representations and are their evolved/higher state. Octaves are already something extra is what I mean. So there is no reason that any planet, asteroid, etc, can't have a higher octave. All it needs is it to be an evolved/higher state of the original, base representation that you start with.

So to say that the Sun and Moon can't is simply an opinion and/or preference from one Astrologer to the next, according to what I'm trying to say. I'm saying anything can have a higher state/higher octave or even lower state/lower octave (if something that's seems like a higher or lower state of the particular astrological body's influence exists, that is), regardless of what it is.

I understand what you're saying about the Sun and Moon though, as they're the uttermost important in making up the person's psyche, as one is the conscious psyche and the other is the unconscious psyche. You are saying that they're already evolved, as they are already our conscious and unconscious self, so where do you possibly go from there, right? (that's the point you're making) But that doesn't mean that they don't have a planet or body that is an evolved state of them is what I'm trying to say. Maybe you are right about the Sun and Moon not being able to have a higher octave/state though, as the Sun and Moon can't really go too much further in their base representation as it is already making up the conscious and unconscious selves. It's surely a topic to explore, though

Yeah, I agree, the Moon and Ceres higher state connection I wasn't satisfied with anyway, so that's another topic to explore. What I meant by them though is that the Moon is our inner feelings, emotions and ability to love and Ceres is when you take those feelings and turn them onto caring and nurturing someone into an expression, because that's it's responsibility of having an innate sense of being a parental figure to someone or something.

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Well I don't know what to disagree with. You basically expanded my opinion and went in it lol