posted September 14, 2014 07:57 AM            

What has your experience with Leo mercury and the way they think? Did it match well with your mercury sign? Was there harmony? Conflict?

posted September 14, 2014 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
So it's detriment AND debilitated in Pisces?

I'm someone who buys in the idea that mercury is exalted in Aquarius. That said, I've noticed astrological placements do not indicate intelligence. I've known pisces mercuries who are very smart. I think mercury is just one type of thinking. Mars and moon are other types of thinking. I've noticed regardless of mercury, a cap moon is always cautious and weighing different things so even if they have a pisces mercury, they would still be very smart and cautious.

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Yes, it's both debilitated and detriment in Pisces.

And I agree, Mercury is not the whole intelligence of someone, but, it is one if not the most important in a chart for the level of intelligence a person has. (that and their experience in life as well; knowledge - which Jupiter creates into something broad and meaningful). Mercury is the logical intelligence a person has, and someone's logical intelligence is a very fundamental tool to have to exceed into higher states of intellectual capabilities. If it weren't for Mercury, we wouldn't be here communicating and understanding each other. It is that important and essential.

As for the Capricorn Moon, thing, yes, because that is their unconscious nature telling them to be cautious... it's automatic for them to be wary of things. Capricorn is indeed a cautious sign. But the Moon isn't about "weighing" things, as that is Mercury.

posted September 14, 2014 07:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Haha, this ^ is such a proverbially Leo Merc thing to say, Leorpio

But you know, sometimes regard for Logic and attention to Detail can be the only things that enable someone to distinguish fact from fiction, truth from illusion, and ultimately keep a hold on mental sanity. So, while just like you I prefer the broader picture, it nevertheless seems that the nitty gritty details need to be worked out by someone, so it's just as well that all those Gem and Virgo Merc people are out there working hard so that regal Leo Mercs can take that rightfully earned afternoon nap (just kidding)

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You see, mercury doesn't do well when its confronted with a reality that it finds out isn't real. Anything not of the physical world overloads mercury's capacity and anything too large in scale as well. There needs to be more Leo Mercury types(big picture thinkers) rather than detail oriented types (mercurial). The world is too concerned with details that simply don't matter and forgoe the large picture entirely. It truly is insanity when the accepted way of doing things is looking at each individual brick in a wall before you come to the conclusion that it is indeed, a wall. The visionary thinkers are the ones that have the courage to call out Mercury's insanity for what it is and say that it clearly is a wall to begin with.

Its Mercury's reliance on proof that is its weakness. Proof denotes physical existence of something that can show that something exists according to the materialist "logical" mind. Thus mercurial types think the visionary types are idiots because they can see the entire picture without HAVING to look at the details first. Intuition does not sit well with mercury because like any lower mindset, it fears what it does not understand, and visionary thinkers often use their intuition more so than their left brain or detail oriented mind. Mercurial types would ask "But where is your proof this is a complete wall?! Have you counted and dissected each individual piece of evidence (the bricks) to come to this conclusion?! Because if not then you're clearly an idiot!" Thus anything NOT physical is out of the picture for lower minded mercury in mercurial signs because if it can't comprehend something that is outside its realm of physical comprehension then it isn't real.

Also mercury doesn't do well when confronted with higher octave learning (Jupiter), such as questioning whether the physical world is actually real at all or whether "reality and illusion" are actually messed up. Mercury's small world (and that of materialists) collapses when you start asking big questions that challenge what mercury takes to be as truth and fact.

Earth is the way it is because there is such a predominance of mercurial thought, of physical, material "fact" to the point where the secrets of the ancients have all but been lost. We now think we're alone in the universe because of mercurial thought patterns (heavy lolz at that BTW), we treat anything regarding spirituality, magick, astrology, numerology, occult, metaphysics, etc. as illusion and nonsense and yet we, as a species, believe material gain is what matters, that a corrupt monetary system that has started to destroy the earth and kill her inhabitants for profit is sane and totally normal because its only logical we use whatever resources to our advantage. Everything is upside down on earth because we value the wrong types of things and shun the rest. We have shut ourselves off so much from the majority of things that make up our existence as individual aspects of consciousness.

posted September 14, 2014 08:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Leorpio:
The world is too concerned with details that simply don't matter and forgoe the large picture entirely.

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posted September 14, 2014 08:21 PM              

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Originally posted by Leorpio:
You see, mercury doesn't do well when its confronted with a reality that it finds out isn't real. Anything not of the physical world overloads mercury's capacity and anything too large in scale as well. There needs to be more Leo Mercury types(big picture thinkers) rather than detail oriented types (mercurial). The world is too concerned with details that simply don't matter and forgoe the large picture entirely. It truly is insanity when the accepted way of doing things is looking at each individual brick in a wall before you come to the conclusion that it is indeed, a wall. The visionary thinkers are the ones that have the courage to call out Mercury's insanity for what it is and say that it clearly is a wall to begin with.

Its Mercury's reliance on proof that is its weakness. Proof denotes physical existence of something that can show that something exists according to the materialist "logical" mind. Thus mercurial types think the visionary types are idiots because they can see the entire picture without HAVING to look at the details first. Intuition does not sit well with mercury because like any lower mindset, it fears what it does not understand, and visionary thinkers often use their intuition more so than their left brain or detail orientrd mind. Mercurial types would ask "But where is your proof this is a complete wall?! Have you counted and dissected each individual piece of evidence (the bricks) to come to this conclusion?! Because if not then you're clearly an idiot!" Thus anything NOT physical is out of the picture for lower minded mercury in mercurial signs because if it can't comprehend something that is outside its realm of physical comprehension then it isn't real.

Also mercury doesn't do well when confronted with higher octave learning (Jupiter), such as questioning whether the physical world is actually real at all or whether "reality and illusion" are actually messed up. Mercury's small world (and that of materialists) collapses when you start asking big questions that challenge what mercury takes to be as truth and fact.

Earth is the way it is because there is such a predominance of mercurial thought, of physical, material "fact" to the point where the secrets of the ancients have all but been lost. We now think we're alone in the universe because of mercurial thought patterns (heavy lolz at that BTW), we treat anything regarding spirituality, magick, astrology, numerology, occult, metaphysics, etc. as illusion and nonsense and yet we, as a species, believe material gain is what matters, that a corrupt monetary system that has started to destroy the earth and kill her inhabitants for profit is sane and totally normal because its only logical we use whatever resources to our advantage. Everything is upside down on earth because we value the wrong types of things and shun the rest. We have shut ourselves off so much from the majority of things that make up our existence as individual aspects of consciousness.

We need more Jupiterian thinking, NOT mercurial thinking. The element of Earth has taken too much predominance in society. Thus we need more fire, more so than ever before. Earth has too long said "if I can't sense it with my 5 senses it isn't real." Hence why people are starting to actually wake up and are starting not to listen to the earth types anymore and are increasingly finding sanity in first types that understand that even if you can't sense it materially that it isn't real. So even if it is in fall, I am glad I have it and would never trade it for another mercury sign ^___^

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posted September 14, 2014 08:43 PM            

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Instagram? Yeah, we need less of that most definitely.

posted September 14, 2014 08:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
You will get no argument from me on this one

And while I do, in fact, also think that Leo is a very fine Mercury placement, any ancient ideas of it being in its fall there notwithstanding - which other chart factors do you think could be responsible for giving the native good intuition and the ability to see the "bigger picture"? Apart from the sign placement alone, couldn't it perhaps also be the interaction between Mercury, its "higher octave" Uranus, Jupiter (for wisdom), and Neptune, ruler of intuition and dreams? I ask because my own Merc is sextile Jupiter and opp. Neptune, and trine by sign (but out of orb) Uranus, so it constantly gets challenged and enriched by these diverse energies. Also, its position in the 8th house could enhance this effect. Based on this, I have a feeling the combined effect of all these factors can actually lead to a quite similar mentality to the one you describe, as I can identify with much of what you wrote. Just to give one possible alternative example.

Oh, and to answer the question in your OP, I usually get on just great with Leo Merc people, in fact, with all the fire signs. They're often quick, warm, enthusiastic, and expressive thinkers, and I like that.

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posted September 14, 2014 09:00 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
*Applause* I agree with everything you said, except that I think this earthy Mercurial thinking has gotten even stronger. With speculations that we are now in the Age of Aquarius, we will only see a dominance of cold, hard facts as the supreme criteria by which we must abide or we will be deemed primitive/backwards/"irrational". Neuroscientists, psychoanalysts, and some philosophers are arguing for a philosophy of mind that states that the mind=brain. All that we experience in our minds are equally mirrored as synaptic connections and neurotransmitters targeting certain parts of our brains. That's all our minds are reduced to. This is an argument against soul, consciousness, intuition, telepathy, maybe even the complexity of emotion. There is nothing "wrong" with the typical qualities associated with Mercury; however, making the claim that intelligence, logic, and reason reside only within the territories of an exalted/well-aspected Mercury is falsifiable.

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posted September 15, 2014 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
For how long are you going to DECEIVE others?
And also to DECEIVE YOURSELF?

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Nope, not this time, Gembird. I am not surprised in the least that Gemini energy would be the one to attack because of this, which is in itself ironic and humorous. In almost every post you make concerning me, you seem to attack or prod, which is quite a Gemini thing to do so I don't necessarily blame you. But constant psycho-analyzing suggests a certain scorpio touch to you, especially when acting out the lower form of scorpio, in which case this plays out quite obviously as there is not a positive intention behind it. Regardless whether or not you DO have any scorpio at all in your chart, you are acting out the energy and realm of Scorpio. But lets get on with the assumptio- err I mean psycho-analyzing, shall we?

Its all nice and well that you think I am in desperate need of attention and approval but you're quite wrong, Ma'am. I seek my truth and I state my truth to those who would listen when I find such and if they do not agree then that is their right as a human with their own consciousness. What you so conveniently mistake as a need for attention is actually an intense desire for the truth behind my own situation.

North Node in 9th and Jupiter in Sagittarius lead me on my search for answers, answers to which I investigate (my afflicted scorpio moon) and seek out, about myself (Leo stellium in aspect to these planets) so that I may balance my karma (Saturn in 2nd related to self worth) concerning self. But clearly me stating my aspects means I desire attention!

It also appears as though you have never actually posted your chart which would indicate something to hide, especially if you so vehemently prod someone who is seeking answers about themselves. This would further speak of someone with scorpio placements, coupled with the Gemini tendency to catalog and bring up when used. Perhaps you think you know everything about yourself which would explain why you see fit to tell others about themselves when such counsel is both unwarranted and unwanted? In that case there is a certain type of arrogance and bravado that is quite characteristic of the Gemini who thinks she knows everything and speaks as if she does, and is also quite characteristic of Mercurial traits to think that there is such a thing as objective truth, especially when it comes to people.

Oh, but the one who psycho-analyzes never wants nor expects to be psycho-analyzed back. Now you might say that this entire response hit a nerve or some other such silly loaded statement. You did not. You, Ma'am, must be shown the exact mirrors you are projecting, as it appears I draw a kind of veiled hostility out of you, which itself is both interesting but not surprising.

If I should so conveniently draw attention to myself by shouting to the rooftops an aspect I have(you CAN quote me on that one, though I suspect dishonesty will be used to make a point out of context and without the sarcasm), I would let you know that Neptune in the 1st conjunct ascendant is a curious placement for things such as mirrors and projections. Neptune rules illusion and the unconscious and when one looks at a Neptunian, they do not see what they think they are seeing. Neptune has the tendency to mirror the unconscious mind of whoever it is that is looking at it and causes one looking at it to believe illusions about how a person actually is. I cannot tell you how many times people have projected their own demons onto me and thusly judged me for being shown their own murky inner world.

A clear theme of deception as well as one of falsehood and indoctrination is present in your judgements. Perhaps growing up in France, you were raised Catholic and were yourself indoctrinated and deceived or better yet, perhaps YOU were the one indoctrinating others and deceiving others and never quite dealt with the guilt from such a thing? Perhaps you spread the word of the gospel while simultaneously having doubts as to its authenticity yourself?

I am not going to pretend I know you or your life story so I won't make blatant erroneous assumptions about you, which I can't say the same is being done for me. There is no fairness nor justness in such a thing. But there clearly is a psychological issue that is pressing at the realms of your unconscious mind that is triggered whenever you see a post by me.

Its not so much the issue of me deceiving anyone or anything, its more of an issue of you deceiving yourself ABOUT me.

Now, you haven't posted your chart (Which I would say is fortunate for you) for reasons unknown, though I suspect they have to either do with an insecurity or an arrogance, which itself would lead back to an insecurity. Of course this would be countered with a conscious explanation of humility, but in reality, who consistently prods someone looking for answers about themselves if they themselves have never once posted a thread about themselves except the person who themselves is too insecure or scared to find out? That does not speak of humility but again, insecurity.

Insecurity prods, pokes, and attacks. Humility does not. Insecurity makes judgements, humility does not. There is an insecurity burried deep inside of you that not even you can consciously know unless you project it onto a screen for you to look at. And make no mistake, that insecurity is not outside of you, it is within you. As above, so below. As within, so without.

I suggest you not respond to this and simply take the lesson that comes with it lest you desire more psycho-analyzing to come your way. I do not judge you for the actions you have taken. I have empathy and understand it comes from a place of lack inside yourself that first must be filled. But if you respond to this in any sort of way that mirrors your posts about me, or shall I say mirrorings of yourself, then I will respond in kind as I did here, except next time I will be generous with my use of quotations from your various posts and will leave no rock un-turned and no place un-searched.

posted September 15, 2014 12:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Leorpio:
So I just now realized that Mercury in Leo is in fall. Mercury doesnt like being shown the big picture over small details in this sign.

What has your experience with Leo mercury and the way they think? Did it match well with your mercury sign? Was there harmony? Conflict?

I actually don't like mercury or mercurial energy at all (Gemini Virgo) and I think this might be the reason why. Its also square moon in Scorpio which is also in fall. I've never been one to care for meaningless details or silly logic (lol) and have always had a broad minded view on everything and actively look at the larger picture first (more right brained thinking). I've noticed the most conflict with mercurial people funny enough and the most harmony with other fire mercuries. Overall I think there are more pros than cons of having mercury in this sign.

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Everyone who posted said it already, mercury is not in fall in Leo.

''Mercury doesnt like being shown the big picture over small details in this sign.''

No. Not at all. I have mercury in leo. I have to see the big picture first, if it's really worth my time only then I'll go into minute details..or may be I mistook what you said because this is a very broad statement that could mean anything under the sun.

''What has your experience with Leo mercury and the way they think? Did it match well with your mercury sign? Was there harmony? Conflict?''

posted September 15, 2014 01:58 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
I've noticed regardless of mercury, a cap moon is always cautious and weighing different things so even if they have a pisces mercury, they would still be very smart and cautious.

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posted September 15, 2014 02:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Everyone who posted said it already, mercury is not in fall in Leo.

''Mercury doesnt like being shown the big picture over small details in this sign.''

No. Not at all. I have mercury in leo. I have to see the big picture first, if it's really worth my time only then I'll go into minute details..or may be I mistook what you said because this is a very broad statement that could mean anything under the sun.

''What has your experience with Leo mercury and the way they think? Did it match well with your mercury sign? Was there harmony? Conflict?''

I have mercury in leo conjunct leo sun. I have a leo stellium that conjunct each other and the sun. I do not like to communicate with mercury in gemini, aries, pisces and virgo. The rest is fine. I love communicating with mercury in scorp. I find it tedious to break through the defensive mechanism of a cap mercury but once this is done, I find them super nice to hold a conversation with.

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Same positions and I agree 100%. But I don't mind any of the other mercury positions. Perhaps it's because my stellium and Mercury is in the 9th and trined by Uranus in Sag as well. I suppose it adds a Sag vibe to my Leo Mercury, could this explain it?

posted September 15, 2014 12:24 PM            

no offense meant, just my experience, congruent to the those i have personal experience with.

posted September 15, 2014 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Everyone who posted said it already, mercury is not in fall in Leo.

''Mercury doesnt like being shown the big picture over small details in this sign.''

No. Not at all. I have mercury in leo. I have to see the big picture first, if it's really worth my time only then I'll go into minute details..or may be I mistook what you said because this is a very broad statement that could mean anything under the sun.

''What has your experience with Leo mercury and the way they think? Did it match well with your mercury sign? Was there harmony? Conflict?''

I have mercury in leo conjunct leo sun. I have a leo stellium that conjunct each other and the sun. I do not like to communicate with mercury in gemini, aries, pisces and virgo. The rest is fine. I love communicating with mercury in scorp. I find it tedious to break through the defensive mechanism of a cap mercury but once this is done, I find them super nice to hold a conversation with.

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Yeah that was just a misunderstanding. Leo Mercury likes the big picture, but mercury in general does not, so that's why I said it doesn't like that. Hence why Mercurial types don't like that kind of thinking.

posted September 16, 2014 01:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Sunnya:
Same positions and I agree 100%. But I don't mind any of the other mercury positions. Perhaps it's because my stellium and Mercury is in the 9th and trined by Uranus in Sag as well. I suppose it adds a Sag vibe to my Leo Mercury, could this explain it?

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Yes,sure does.

posted September 16, 2014 01:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Leorpio:
You see, mercury doesn't do well when its confronted with a reality that it finds out isn't real. Anything not of the physical world overloads mercury's capacity and anything too large in scale as well. There needs to be more Leo Mercury types(big picture thinkers) rather than detail oriented types (mercurial). The world is too concerned with details that simply don't matter and forgoe the large picture entirely. It truly is insanity when the accepted way of doing things is looking at each individual brick in a wall before you come to the conclusion that it is indeed, a wall. The visionary thinkers are the ones that have the courage to call out Mercury's insanity for what it is and say that it clearly is a wall to begin with.

Its Mercury's reliance on proof that is its weakness. Proof denotes physical existence of something that can show that something exists according to the materialist "logical" mind. Thus mercurial types think the visionary types are idiots because they can see the entire picture without HAVING to look at the details first. Intuition does not sit well with mercury because like any lower mindset, it fears what it does not understand, and visionary thinkers often use their intuition more so than their left brain or detail oriented mind. Mercurial types would ask "But where is your proof this is a complete wall?! Have you counted and dissected each individual piece of evidence (the bricks) to come to this conclusion?! Because if not then you're clearly an idiot!" Thus anything NOT physical is out of the picture for lower minded mercury in mercurial signs because if it can't comprehend something that is outside its realm of physical comprehension then it isn't real.

Also mercury doesn't do well when confronted with higher octave learning (Jupiter), such as questioning whether the physical world is actually real at all or whether "reality and illusion" are actually messed up. Mercury's small world (and that of materialists) collapses when you start asking big questions that challenge what mercury takes to be as truth and fact.

Earth is the way it is because there is such a predominance of mercurial thought, of physical, material "fact" to the point where the secrets of the ancients have all but been lost. We now think we're alone in the universe because of mercurial thought patterns (heavy lolz at that BTW), we treat anything regarding spirituality, magick, astrology, numerology, occult, metaphysics, etc. as illusion and nonsense and yet we, as a species, believe material gain is what matters, that a corrupt monetary system that has started to destroy the earth and kill her inhabitants for profit is sane and totally normal because its only logical we use whatever resources to our advantage. Everything is upside down on earth because we value the wrong types of things and shun the rest. We have shut ourselves off so much from the majority of things that make up our existence as individual aspects of consciousness.

We need more Jupiterian thinking, NOT mercurial thinking. The element of Earth has taken too much predominance in society. Thus we need more fire, more so than ever before. Earth has too long said "if I can't sense it with my 5 senses it isn't real." Hence why people are starting to actually wake up and are starting not to listen to the earth types anymore and are increasingly finding sanity in firey types that understand that even if you can't sense it materially that it is real. So even if it is in fall, I am glad I have it and would never trade it for another mercury sign ^___^

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posted September 16, 2014 01:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Leorpio:
Yeah that was just a misunderstanding. Leo Mercury likes the big picture, but mercury in general does not, so that's why I said it doesn't like that. Hence why Mercurial types don't like that kind of thinking.

You don't get along with Aries merc? xD I love them! Maybe you have placements that create tension?

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I know.

I find aries mercury a bit aggressive,although I believe all mercury placements could be verbally aggressive depending on the aspects mercury make. IDK, aries mercury is fine until they get angry and start using foul language. They charge like the ram they are with their heads down without a care about consequences and sometimes they say things that are totally without logic,they dig up things that have nothing,like absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand.I am, however quite fond of that one person I have in mind though, because she is a fire sign all through, it's just that I don't like arguing with her because she doesn't make sense when she is angry!

I have Mars in Virgo. Mercury semisextile mars, conjunct saturn,sun,venus,sextile pluto,trine neptune,square uranus. I don't use foul language, I don't like it at all.