posted September 20, 2014 12:38 AM            

It said I need to start "relating to others as individuals, apart from their specific roles."

I understand the relating to others part but I don't understand the "apart from their specific roles" part. What does that mean? What do they mean when they say "specific roles"? I don't understand what that is even supposed to mean.

Can someone help me understand?

posted September 20, 2014 02:35 AM            

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Originally posted by darksoul18:
I was reading something online about people with NN in Aquarius. I have NN Aquarius 4th house and SN Leo 10th house.

It said I need to start "relating to others as individuals, apart from their specific roles."

I understand the relating to others part but I don't understand the "apart from their specific roles" part. What does that mean? What do they mean when they say "specific roles"? I don't understand what that is even supposed to mean.

Can someone help me understand?

Thanks

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I am assuming that would imply that you need to connect with individuals, and not by familial relationships(considering it's in the fourth house of family,roots,real estate), or titles. Since some say the fourth house is the house of past lives as well, I would assume that you would need to transcend focusing on the titles of the people beneath you,(since you were of some authority in a past life), and make friends and family with people that would otherwise be another player.

Just a theory though.

posted September 20, 2014 02:49 AM            

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Originally posted by ReeseC:
I am assuming that would imply that you need to connect with individuals, and not by familial relationships(considering it's in the fourth house of family,roots,real estate), or titles. Since some say the fourth house is the house of past lives as well, I would assume that you would need to transcend focusing on the titles of the people beneath you,(since you were of some authority in a past life), and make friends and family with people that would otherwise be another player.

Just a theory though.

I have NN in Aquarius in 5th house/SN in Leo in 11th so I somewhat understand the confusion.

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Authority in a past life? What do you mean?

Focusing on the titles of people beneath me? How so? What do you mean?

and also...

I don't understand what you mean when you typed this.... "and make friends and family with people that would otherwise be another player"

Could you elaborate please?

posted September 20, 2014 05:11 AM            

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Originally posted by darksoul18:
Authority in a past life? What do you mean?

Focusing on the titles of people beneath me? How so? What do you mean?

and also...

I don't understand what you mean when you typed this.... "and make friends and family with people that would otherwise be another player"

Could you elaborate please?

Thank you

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This description from a website explains it better.
A tendency to feel the need to be in control, to take responsibilities too seriously, and to be rigid and fearful of being dependent on others are some of the issues this position suggests. With this position, we need to let go of our tendency to over-manage our lives and others' lives, to relax our standards of perfection and achievement, and to avoid falling victim to living through the eyes of society instead of valuing our own personal (as opposed to professional/status) achievements. Being dependent on others is a fear, but only when we release some of our need to be in control will we achieve our goals in our professional lives. We need to work on allowing ourselves to be vulnerable, exposing some of our insecurities and personal needs without fear, and making time for our home and family life. By working on our inner foundation and our "base", success will ricochet back to our public and professional lives. By allowing ourselves to follow our personal instincts, rather than be driven by our ambitions, we can achieve greater happiness, balance, and fulfillment in all areas of life.

posted September 20, 2014 05:45 AM            

I started working on the NN stuff to figure out my "path" or something, but if I'm honest I don't get anything that is written about it. Just as an example what Reese wrote above means nothing to me. I'm not like that in the least.

I will go back and have a look at my notes from the time I was looking into this. If I can dig up anything from my research that I think might help you I'll post it.

posted September 20, 2014 05:59 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I have the same NN as you.

I started working on the NN stuff to figure out my "path" or something, but if I'm honest I don't get anything that is written about it. Just as an example what Reese wrote above means nothing to me. I'm not like that in the least.

I will go back and have a look at my notes from the time I was looking into this. If I can dig up anything from my research that I think might help you I'll post it.

In the meantime, let's hope more people can chime in!

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posted September 20, 2014 05:59 AM            

And Aqua qualities I would say is "being more social, yet more individual" - you'll likely become more of a person who puts everyone equal, regardless of who they are, and you'll likely to join more in social group-activities, instead of focusing on yourself only (as when you had leo south node)
Finding your identity in group activities, friendships and being "unique" is becoming more and more important as you grow older.

posted September 20, 2014 07:00 AM            

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Originally posted by darksoul18:
I was reading something online about people with NN in Aquarius. I have NN Aquarius 4th house and SN Leo 10th house.

It said I need to start "relating to others as individuals, apart from their specific roles."

I understand the relating to others part but I don't understand the "apart from their specific roles" part. What does that mean? What do they mean when they say "specific roles"? I don't understand what that is even supposed to mean.

Can someone help me understand?

Thanks

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Hi darksoul18,

When they speak of "specific roles" they refer to the labels and stereotypes that are associated with the role. Therefore, labels such as 'mom', 'dad', 'janitor', 'policeman', 'christian', 'killer', 'boyfriend' will all be clouded and judged based on the internal image or understanding of what that label or role is defined as. Everyone does this naturally but I am assuming that NN Aquarius has a harder time seeing past the role filter initially.

The problem with roles is that they are just masks that people wear. The woman who is a high powered attorney in the day changes to mom at night changes to sister on the weekend changes to wife at date night, etc. Beyond all the appearances of the roles are usually the same person, with the same past experiences, beliefs, etc. If a person expects the woman to be a high powered attorney all the time because that's the role they place her in, they sometimes don't handle it well when expectations meet reality and then they see this high powered woman become a more submissive-cooperative partner. This change of roles may be intellectualized as weakness or something wrong with the person, or come as a shock to the image that they perceived the person to be, etc but may not be as quickly understood that it's just a role change. The individual is the same.

posted September 20, 2014 07:14 AM            

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Originally posted by SDragon:
Hi darksoul18,

When they speak of "specific roles" they refer to the labels and stereotypes that are associated with the role. Therefore, labels such as 'mom', 'dad', 'janitor', 'policeman', 'christian', 'killer', 'boyfriend' will all be clouded and judged based on the internal image or understanding of what that label or role is defined as. Everyone does this naturally but I am assuming that NN Aquarius has a harder time seeing past the role filter initially.

The problem with roles is that they are just masks that people wear. The woman who is a high powered attorney in the day changes to mom at night changes to sister on the weekend changes to wife at date night, etc. Beyond all the appearances of the roles are usually the same person, with the same past experiences, beliefs, etc. If a person expects the woman to be a high powered attorney all the time because that's the role they place her in, they sometimes don't handle it well when expectations meet reality and then they see this high powered woman become a more submissive-cooperative partner. This change of roles may be intellectualized as weakness or something wrong with the person, or come as a shock to the image that they perceived the person to be, etc but may not be as quickly understood that it's just a role change. The individual is the same.

Hope that helps.

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posted September 20, 2014 11:58 AM            

Sometimes I think the definitions and interpretations that are out there are a bit too high minded and we need to simplify them for our own circumstances.

4th house is house of the mother and one of my biggest issues in my life is that I really really have a huge problem with my mother. We get along really well when we are talking philosophy or life or general topics. We get along better on the phone than in person.

However, she wants very much to be "my mother" and I don't need one. I don't want someone mothering me. She is constantly telling me what to do and how to do it, what choices I should make, always constantly worrying about her children to the point of almost irrational fears, etc. It drives me insane!

Last year I started calling her by her first name. Of course, that freaks her out but for some reason I feel comfortable doing this. It doesn't stop her being the "mother" though.

posted September 20, 2014 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by darksoul18:
Oh okay... I mean.. .I guess lol... I don't try to look down on anyone though. I don't understand why it would suggest something like that. I know I am not superior to anyone. As a matter of fact I think we are all equal. Everyone is a human... I don't think it is possible for anyone to be any less of a human than another human or vice versa I don't think it is possible for a human to be any more than a human. We are all equal, which means that we all have this in common that we are all human beings. I guess that is my Aqua NN talking. I guess some people would count murderers, serial killers, etc to not be human.... but that's not really what I mean. They will answer to God for what they have done. Even though I judge them when I really shouldn't. I don't feel it is my place to judge because you never know what a person has been through in their life. Even though it could be something terribly evil that they have done. I just don't understand this position of authority in past lives, looking down at people type thing. I mean Leo's are good leaders but I don't think it means they look down on people. They may do it as a joke and for fun... but they are some of the most loyal, care giving, generous people I've ever met. Well... some of them lol...I mean an Aquarius has just as much tendency to fit the bill as well. I don't know maybe I'm just being too opinionated on this. A lot of fire signs do things for fun... Leo's put people down for fun as a joke... even though some people take it to heart... Aries can be just downright straight forward as hell and Sags are just as blunt as all get out.. but they usually mean it in good humor ... and they really just can't help it lol. It's who they are.

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I totally agree with everything you have written here. I feel the same way you do. As I wrote above, maybe your NN is something very personal to your situation and not something generalized. You (or rather we!) seem to have the generalize version down. 4th house is personal anyway, where the 10th is external.