posted September 20, 2014 11:10 PM              

I don't remember the name of the site but I remember one of the things it said.

It said that having mercury in the 6th house may make you attract enemies and opponents by your words.

I have mercury in the 6th house and I do get a lot of **** from people for expressing my opinions, thoughts or beliefs.

For some reason, people HAVE to disagree with me, and argue with me.

While I've seen people making the dumbest posts on here getting actual replies with agreements.

It's strange.

No matter how many reasonable reasons I give to prove my point people always want to find something to oppose me.

It's really frustrating.

I don't/can't believe it's because of what I say they oppose. It's just because I come off as too strong and the WAY I say it.

posted September 20, 2014 11:58 PM              

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
To be honest, I've read many of your threads and sometimes you come off as unaccepting of people's opinions especially when they differ from yours. We're all learning here. Some of us might be more experienced but that doesn't mean there's no room for growth. All in all, I'm not sure about how accurate Vedic astrology is but if that's the description and you find it applicable to your circumstance maybe you should try a different approach to speaking with people and see what results you yield from them. Perhaps such a placement is trying to suggest a difficulty inherent in your communicative skills. Don't take this offensively but this is purely based on your threads and how you've responded to others (me included) in a harsh and stubborn way.

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I never disagree with anyone's opinion without knowing where they come from.

Because the thing is, 99% of people's opinions or beliefs were already considered by me once, before I expanded my horizons to then change them to reach with my beliefs I have today.

I never disagree with other people's beliefs with ignorance, but always with a reason.

And I have as much right to disagree with anyone as much you have with me.

You can disagree with me too, as long as you have a reasonable explanation to. And then I would love to hear your reasons and I'm always open-minded about it.

But when someone calls me immature, young and inexperienced and stupid for opposing my beliefs, I don't find these terms reasonable.

I have faced a lot of age discrimination on this site so far.

You guys really underestimate me for my age and pretend/believe like you really know me.

Even my close ones don't know me yet. No one can ever know me. I just want everyone to get this clear.

Whenever I provide valid and reasonable reasons to explain the reason for my beliefs an point of view, people do not even consider it.

The site did not mention that mercury in the 6th means I speak wrong or anything. It only aid that it happens because it is the 12th house from my turned 7th. You all are my 7th, my mercury is in your 12th then.

That's why.

Not necessarily because I'm the wrong one.

posted September 20, 2014 11:59 PM              

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
I personally find my chart accurate in fitting me, but I don't really know for other people.

When I am looking/analyzing a chart of someone, I automatically use Tropical Astrology, unless they ask me to look at their chart from the Vedic/Sidereal system.

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posted September 21, 2014 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
Oh ok. I was only talking about their views on planetary placements/aspects tho, not about the astrological system. x

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Yes, I know. When I said "system", I meant Sidereal-Vedic (Lahiri) anyamasa (degree difference between Tropical and Sidereal Astrology). I didn't necessarily mean the whole system, just the degree difference x

posted September 21, 2014 12:28 AM              

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
I never disagree with anyone's opinion without knowing where they come from.

Because the thing is, 99% of people's opinions or beliefs were already considered by me once, before I expanded my horizons to then change them to reach with my beliefs I have today.

I never disagree with other people's beliefs with ignorance, but always with a reason.

And I have as much right to disagree with anyone as much you have with me.

You can disagree with me too, as long as you have a reasonable explanation to. And then I would love to hear your reasons and I'm always open-minded about it.

But when someone calls me immature, young and inexperienced and stupid for opposing my beliefs, I don't find these terms reasonable.

I have faced a lot of age discrimination on this site so far.

You guys really underestimate me for my age and pretend/believe like you really know me.

Even my close ones don't know me yet. No one can ever know me. I just want everyone to get this clear.

Whenever I provide valid and reasonable reasons to explain the reason for my beliefs an point of view, people do not even consider it.

The site did not mention that mercury in the 6th means I speak wrong or anything. It only aid that it happens because it is the 12th house from my turned 7th. You all are my 7th, my mercury is in your 12th then.

That's why.

Not necessarily because I'm the wrong one.

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First and foremost, age doesn't matter to me. You're 17, I'm 20. I'm not that much older than you, that suddenly that makes me or anyone else of that age group much more knowledgeable than you are. So, personally, I would never play the age card. You have strong and fruitful ideas, I won't deny that. But you present your ideas in a way that's very forceful and sometimes irrational. I think you get a little defensive because you feel everyone's judging you and opposing you because they think you're young and inexperienced when that's not the case. I've seen you argue many times in the name of personal experience, which is fine but astrology is also theoretical. When the theory and the experience don't add up when you're evaluating a claim, then you recheck and see where you may have gone wrong. It's not about agreeing or disagreeing but it's about accepting people's right to disagree without being mean and stubborn about it. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you how to act but this is all coming from a sincere place in my heart. Try to communicate differently, make this your own personal experiment. Be very careful with your words and how you say them and with what energy you present them. Try to be more open and understanding in stead of assuming you're always right and see how people respond to you. If you feel it's the exact same then people are either responding to you begrudgingly in response to your former attitudes or there really is something all wrong with us. We're all here to help each other, learn, and start interesting discussions.

No one is making the claim that they "know" you. It's not like we have a personal vendetta against you and are trying to drown you. This is just an astrology forum. I just really think that when you're wrong about something you can't insist you're right based on experience. There are people in this forum that are at least twice or even thrice my age and I am so reverent of their knowledge that I don't respond to their threads and read like a loony because I'm soaking in all their knowledge and expertise.

posted September 21, 2014 12:36 AM              

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
First and foremost, age doesn't matter to me. You're 17, I'm 20. I'm not that much older than you, that suddenly that makes me or anyone else of that age group much more knowledgeable than you are. So, personally, I would never play the age card. You have strong and fruitful ideas, I won't deny that. But you present your ideas in a way that's very forceful and sometimes irrational. I think you get a little defensive because you feel everyone's judging you and opposing you because they think you're young and inexperienced when that's not the case. I've seen you argue many times in the name of personal experience, which is fine but astrology is also theoretical. When the theory and the experience don't add up when you're evaluating a claim, then you recheck and see where you may have gone wrong. It's not about agreeing or disagreeing but it's about accepting people's right to disagree without being mean and stubborn about it. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you how to act but this is all coming from a sincere place in my heart. Try to communicate differently, make this your own personal experiment. Be very careful with your words and how you say them and with what energy you present them. Try to be more open and understanding in stead of assuming you're always right and see how people respond to you. If you feel it's the exact same then people are either responding to you begrudgingly in response to your former attitudes or there really is something all wrong with us. We're all here to help each other, learn, and start interesting discussions.

All the best!

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That's a good thing if age doesn't matter to you.

I don't feel that others pick on my age, I read their posts where they write it actually.

Just today there was one who said "I don't have time to bicker with 17 year olds". In the personal readings section.

posted September 21, 2014 03:28 AM            

I can relate to some of it. But we also have free will, and that includes the way we communicate to others.

posted September 21, 2014 05:43 AM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:

Just today there was one who said "I don't have time to bicker with 17 year olds". In the personal readings section.

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Helloooo.

I just looked and what I saw was you countering and refusing every advice that was given to you, as if you knowledge had more value than theirs. Did you look at the rest of the responses beside that particular line?

Obviously people are going to think about your age if you keep having an attitude toward them and, yes, annoying them when they're attempting to be helpful. I'm not saying this is right, but any excuse is good to fight you back, because, yes, it appears like you're trying to invetstigate fights.

Let's just look at that thread you recently made. You asked for a reading on how to make friends in real life. People gave out advice, which you found too common and unhelpful, and you said you wanted something from astrology because you believe that your chart sets your life in stone and it cannot be challenged.

Then someone with a Scorpio Moon (I will avoid namedropping on here) pointed out your idea that all Scorpio Moons face the same challenges is not right, and others responded as well to say that, whether it is from their experience or not (I don't know), astrology and tarots are not 100% truth that you must follow all your life, as life fluctuates and you can overcome the challenges in your chart, and not wanting to try because you're certain your chart sets your life in stone is being stubborn.

Then you respond to them, pretty much saying "you're wrong and I'm right and it annoys me". Let me just tell you, astrology is not some sort of law to your life that cannot be broken. Challenges in the chart may persist for life in a way or another, but they can be overcome still. The very idea of transits and solar returns proves that while the birth chart is a very representation of the individual's soul, different things act on it for life and can shape it into something better or worse. People can overcome their issues much like they can go deeper within them because of bad experiences. We are not robots or progams, and astrology and tarot do not go against the idea of free will or changes on self. Sure, all of this is my personal opinion, but it is from experience, much like yours, and it does not mean I don't believe in astrology or tarot.

Can the birth chart show how one's life may unfold? Yes. It is embedded in their spirit anyway. But is it some sort of higher map that cannot go off-track? I heavily doubt that can't be argued, particularly when so many people effectively manage to overcome their personal issues, even if it is after a lot of difficulty.
The problem is, when people tell you that, your final response in the debate ends up being "this is my belief and it's from experience so it's right and yours is wrong". So try to get why people become annoyed.

I do not support what they say to you though. I've seen replies to you on that thread that were pretty rude, which isn't going to help anyone grow.

But really, just look at this. You have your belief and your experience, and that's fine. But many other people who believe in astrology have other experiences and other belief. It's good to see where they come from before disagreeing with them, but what about thinking about the possibility in which they may be right? It's not like your experiences value more than theirs (or theirs value more than yours), so why not try and take a bit of both in your mind?

Let me make this clear. I am not taking a side here. But I have squares and trines all over the place and I know that the challenges of the chart can be overcome, be it by something happening unexpectedly in life, or trying hard on yourself to overcome it. The aspects stay, but their effect becomes something that can be used in a better way. This is growth. People grow. Their chart does not change, but they do. Go figure. Doesn't make astrology wrong though.

Sorry for stepping into something that's not mine, but I thought I might try to help.

It's not a matter of "you're wrong and they're right". It's a matter of the fact that spiritually and psychologically evolving is a part of (almost) all sentient beings, and this does not go against astrology. Some people do not consider astrology to be one simple straight path through life, good or not, and they don't deserve to be less right than you, so instead of just getting where they come from then disagreeing, you may want to try to take a bite then see if you completely disagree or not. It, effectively, makes you sound stubborn.

posted September 21, 2014 11:03 AM              

FIRST of all, I never asked HOW to make friends, but WHEN I would make friends.

I asked for a tarot reading.

Not for a psychological advice. Because I always keep getting similar advices. I know their intention was good and I appreciate that but the root of my problem runs deeper than that and I don't think advices ever helped me. I tried following their advice, of all those who told me similar things. Ok?

This is like the 100th time I'm repeating I really don't understand what attitude has to do with it. Just because I didn't say "ok thank you so much your advice really helped me"

You don't think I've tried to do anything about making friends? I've tried different things.

I have social anxiety.

Do any of you or those who gave me advice have social anxiety? Shyness and social phobia is really different, and just by doing little things like that I can't make friends.

It's like someone who is very active, and very healthy, enthusiastic and happy tells someone who is extremely depressed and have no energy "you can run, you can do it".

posted September 21, 2014 11:20 AM            

Take control of your thread,girl.

You do not have to respond always to stuff you do not agree to.

As for the topic under discussion.

Vedic astrology is very accurate if you know how to interpret a vedic chart.

posted September 21, 2014 11:21 AM            

When you will make friends, most likely never. You're not a person one wants to get close to, you don't seem especially tolerant of other views!

I have social anxiety too, duhhhhhhhhhhh - welcome to the real world. You are not special, you don't have special problems that "are deeper than the root of the tree and are more painful than anyone else's experience"

I have a friend that had very bad experiences, extremely poor, but she still manages to make friends even after when she had really bad social anxiety and couldn't make any - after being bullied and taunted about her looks, had several suicide attempts but she managed to overcome that.

My story is nothing in comparison, sure I was bullied very badly too and teachers disliked me and parents didn't support me - buuuutt I still made some good friends and got over these past wounds. I use to have a negative thought like you too and all that did was make me more angrier and less approachable.

WHAT do you expect, people to just say "oh Mia, I love how you're never wrong and you call everyone ignorant who disagrees with you! WE LOVE HOW YOU'RE FORCEFUL IN YOUR BELIEFS AND YOU THINK YOU'RE MORE INTELLECTUALLY SUPERIOR THAN US BECAUSE OF YOUR STUDIES!!"

posted September 21, 2014 11:37 AM              

Mercury is malefic in following cases:-

1. Any planet positioning in the first house. 2. Either Mars or Venus is present in the 4th house. 3. Jupiter and moon in 2nd house or moon in 2nd house and Jupiter in 11th house."
http://www.astrojiva.com/significance-and-effects-of-mercury-in-sixth-house-6th-house-vedic-astrology/

posted September 21, 2014 12:29 PM              

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
"Due to presence of enemy planet and its bad effect he will be arrogant and bitterness in his speech will be the subject of criticism and even his old friends may reveal his past secrets to tarnish his image.

Mercury is malefic in following cases:-

1. Any planet positioning in the first house. 2. Either Mars or Venus is present in the 4th house. 3. Jupiter and moon in 2nd house or moon in 2nd house and Jupiter in 11th house."
http://www.astrojiva.com/significance-and-effects-of-mercury-in-sixth-ho use-6th-house-vedic-astrology/

Is your Mercury malefic? I did not make this up, this was an interpretation of Mercury in the 6th according to Vedic astrology. Since we are always wrong, maybe this objective, astrological and not psychological interpretation is correct.

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"1. Any planet positioning in the first house. 2. Either Mars or Venus is present in the 4th house. 3. Jupiter and moon in 2nd house or moon in 2nd house and Jupiter in 11th house.""

I only have saturn in the 1st house, besides that, nothing else that matches.

It also says positive things. So it's not that bad to have mercury in 6th house after all. It also says:

"He will be established as an honorable person in the society due to his intelligence. His mind will be enlightened and balanced whatever the situation is faced by him."

This explains me too: http://astromatrix.org/Horoscopes/Planet-Aspects/Mercury-Square-Pluto

posted September 21, 2014 02:07 PM            

It's such a broad system, planets aspect in particular ways, house rulers are more complex and really focus more on what you don't notice rather than what's right there.

There are lots of different connotations for things in vedic astrology and those simple house placements you see online are ONLY SCRATCHING the surface of how complex vedic astrology really is.

There are nakshatras, there are divisional charts, there are different types of ascendants, there is so much to explore.

Taking a small example for instance, I have Moon conjunct the North Node (or Rahu as it is Sanskrit) and from what I've read on the internet, in Western Astrology it is a pretty good placement. Whereas in vedic, it is considered a bad placement. Now, when you look at it from how you see it, it's pretty bad and yes it is a hard aspect, but it has so many different connotations and the true SOURCE of the aspect and the actual reasoning behind it is so raw and deep that it just shocks you...

You say to me Mercury in 6th house, I immediately ask, what nakshatra, where is the lord of nakshatra placed, is Mercury debilitated, what aspects does it receive and how is it placed in different divisional charts (you say people argue with you alot so I'd look to divisional chart of communication which I THIINK is D3)

You can't just look at Mercury in 6th house and see every theme that will be prevalent in that sense. You need to look at other factors, divisional charts, how that planet is placed in divisional, it's aspects, etc. A house is a house, it can be good or bad but it depends how the native itself deals with it, are they mature about it, etc. 6th house itself is considered Dusthana house as it's usually associated with enemies but it's more more complex than that.

Honestly, take a look it's so amazing, you'll never see astrology in the same way you did before.

posted September 21, 2014 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
It seems like none of you read my post entirely.

FIRST of all, I never asked HOW to make friends, but WHEN I would make friends.

I asked for a tarot reading.

Not for a psychological advice. Because I always keep getting similar advices. I know their intention was good and I appreciate that but the root of my problem runs deeper than that and I don't think advices ever helped me. I tried following their advice, of all those who told me similar things. Ok?

This is like the 100th time I'm repeating I really don't understand what attitude has to do with it. Just because I didn't say "ok thank you so much your advice really helped me"

You don't think I've tried to do anything about making friends? I've tried different things.

I have social anxiety.

Do any of you or those who gave me advice have social anxiety? Shyness and social phobia is really different, and just by doing little things like that I can't make friends.

It's like someone who is very active, and very healthy, enthusiastic and happy tells someone who is extremely depressed and have no energy "you can run, you can do it".

I am just explaining myself. I don't understand what attitude you're talking about.

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Oops, sorry, got "when" and "how" confused and went along with it. My bad.
But I think my point still stands. True, you asked for "when", and only got (in my opinion, terrible) psychological advice nobody really needs. The issue is that when you said your belief that your chart is limiting you forever, people responded against it, and instead of just taking THAT advice, you still fought back (and definitely had an attitude as well - "I don't need [something] advices" is an example. Saying "Could I get something else than advice I don't really need please? I'm asking for a reading on "when"" is not the same as "I don't need your [insult] advice"). That made you sound stubborn.

posted September 21, 2014 03:04 PM              

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Originally posted by TuxLuigi:
Oops, sorry, got "when" and "how" confused and went along with it. My bad.
But I think my point still stands. True, you asked for "when", and only got (in my opinion, terrible) psychological advice nobody really needs. The issue is that when you said your belief that your chart is limiting you forever, people responded against it, and instead of just taking THAT advice, you still fought back (and definitely had an attitude as well - "I don't need [something] advices" is an example. Saying "Could I get something else than advice I don't really need please? I'm asking for a reading on "when"" is not the same as "I don't need your [insult] advice"). That made you sound stubborn.

Anyway, I will stop here, since I'm fueling the off-thread fire.

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Never said my chart was limiting it forever.

I had a few friends, but they come and go and I remain friendless for a long time.

I'm just saying that because of capricorn in my 11th, my friends are scarce, not non-existent.

posted September 21, 2014 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
Never said my chart was limiting it forever.

I had a few friends, but they come and go and I remain friendless for a long time.

I'm just saying that because of capricorn in my 11th, my friends are scarce, not non-existent.

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But it did not come off that way. You said "will I ever make friends", and said the chart is the way you are and you cannot be another way. So it made it sound like you're blaming your chart for being the reason you don't have any friends, and putting all your confidence into astrology and tarot instead of trying to do something about it.