posted September 26, 2014 11:31 AM            

If that person decides to direct the energy of his/her chart in creative projects, does that mean that he/she won't have relationship problems anymore? (Since the energy of the natal aspects is used somewhere...)

Another example. Someone has Sun conjunction Mars in his chart and is very aggressive, always having a bad temper.
If he picks up a hobby, like wrestling, will he become more quiet and more peaceful as a person?

I know we have free will so, is it possible to choose the field we want this energy to be used?

posted September 26, 2014 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Piscesmoongirl:
Let's say someone has stressful aspects from Neptune and Pluto to Venus and he/she has problems in his intimate relationships.

If that person decides to direct the energy of his/her chart in creative projects, does that mean that he/she won't have relationship problems anymore? (Since the energy of the natal aspects is used somewhere...)

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Well Venus has a diurnal (Libra) and nocturnal (Taurus) side. So determining which specific energies these inharmonious aspects from Neptune and Pluto are directed towards, would be a good place to start.

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Originally posted by Piscesmoongirl:
Another example. Someone has Sun conjunction Mars in his chart and is very aggressive, always having a bad temper.
If he picks up a hobby, like wrestling, will he become more quiet and more peaceful as a person?

I know we have free will so, is it possible to choose the field we want this energy to be used?

Share your experiences below.

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posted September 27, 2014 03:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Piscesmoongirl:
The Sun/Mars conjunction was a hypothetical example. I don't know anyone with such a placement.

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posted September 27, 2014 11:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Piscesmoongirl:
Some of you think it's possible while others do not.
But if the latter is the case, doesn't that mean that we are all doomed? Doesn't that mean that we are pawns, going wherever the wind blows, helpless to change a situation in our lives?
Does that mean that our future is predestined and any try is useless because in the end, the energy is going to play out the way it wants to?
All we have to do is accept things the way they are?
That is sad...

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Well, I have seen people make changes for the better, I believe I myself have had some limited success at least with it, and there are also many historical examples of people changing themselves for the better by actively getting rid of bad habits and dark inclinations. Sure it is difficult, and maybe some people have too little incentive to even try unless forced to do so by outside forces (like the proverbial chain smoker who suddenly stops after a heart attack or stroke, because suddenly he realizes for the first time he will really die from smoking if he continues).

posted September 27, 2014 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Piscesmoongirl:
Some of you think it's possible while others do not.
But if the latter is the case, doesn't that mean that we are all doomed? Doesn't that mean that we are pawns, going wherever the wind blows, helpless to change a situation in our lives?
Does that mean that our future is predestined and any try is useless because in the end, the energy is going to play out the way it wants to?
All we have to do is accept things the way they are?
That is sad...

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Personally it exactly why I believe that we can change/redirect our energy. Other wise we would believe doomed pawns and I don't think we are.

There are some things worth fixing/fighting for while others we should just except and stop fighting. It's trying to figure out which if which that is difficult. Anyway, I think everything has a positive and a negative manifestation. Some may be easier or more difficult depending on the rest of the chart and/or the people you are dealing with.

I think every parent should have an overview of their kids tendencies and see if they can't direct them towards the positives and help them over come the negatives at an early age. The earlier we deal with the challenging aspects the easier it is.

That's just what I believe.

posted September 27, 2014 12:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Piscesmoongirl:
Some of you think it's possible while others do not.
But if the latter is the case, doesn't that mean that we are all doomed? Doesn't that mean that we are pawns, going wherever the wind blows, helpless to change a situation in our lives?
Does that mean that our future is predestined and any try is useless because in the end, the energy is going to play out the way it wants to?
All we have to do is accept things the way they are?
That is sad...

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For example... I have a coworker that irritates everyone. People won't even go to her shift and one guy did, then went back to third shift because of her. They grumble when they have to "follow" her, (the following shift). People just grumble about her and can't wait for her to retire.
At first, I did the same.

Then, I decided to not let her get to me. Now, we actually get along and I've discovered that ultimately she just wants to be heard and get some attention, along with take charge. (sag with Leo moon).
She's alright. One just needs to actually listen to what she's saying, not how she is. Once that happens, she changes.

Idk how to say what I mean... If idiot drivers send you into a rage. Deciding to ride a bike instead, take a cab, take a bus, doesn't TRULY solve it.
Face yourself and your anger and learn to deal. Otherwise, in this example when you drive again you're right back to your old road rage habits because you never dealt with it.
That's another personal example.

I hope I'm making sense... I feel like I'm not.

posted September 27, 2014 02:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Yes, that is certainly possible, to some extent at least. Not in the sense of mechanical engineering of chart energies the way they suit us best, of course; but since every configuration has multiple expressions, some lighter, some darker, we can try to consciously nurture the more constructive ones and use these archetypes as a guiding ideal for our development. Bad temper aspects can be turned into sources of creative power under certain conditions, while delusion/addiction aspects can be turned into the direction of mystical insight and intuition, and so on. But for that to happen takes some serious soul searching on the part of the native, who must take the initiative and actively work for their own personal growth; and it will most likely take a long time and will not be easily done in most cases. But it can be done. As they say, the chart of a Saint is meaningless (in the sense that it will contain stressful aspects all right, but they will have been transcended in their totality).

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posted September 27, 2014 04:09 PM            

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I hope I'm making sense... I feel like I'm not.

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You're making a lot of sense to me, DeepFreeze, and your example with the colleague is actually very good. I have a similar one to share, and this one also shows how useful astrology can be to deal with sources of interpersonal stress, and for making positive changes for the benefit of all.

More than 20 years ago I had a lot of conflicts with an older male relative. I perceived him as domineering, authoritarian, demanding, and annoying. He likewise often complained about me being bitchy, difficult, out of line, and that I had the wrong priorities in life. It got to a point were we were on non-speaking terms for some 2 or 3 years. Then, after learning a little astrology, I decided to study his chart to see where these conflicts between us came from. I discovered that he had whole layers within his personality that I simply hadn't been able to perceive before. Thinking back, I then for the first time noticed how he had often shown me appreciation without me even realizing it, because the way he expressed positive things was so different from what I expected to get. I also saw how I had regularly stepped on his toes without even noticing, because he had a few sore areas in his chart and reacted ultra sensitive to some of the things I regularly did and said to him. After realizing these things, I decided to alter my behavior towards him just a little bit, and tried to appreciate his positive behavior more, to stop expecting things he couldn't do, and to avoid stepping on his toes too often. And guess what? Within a very short time frame, our difficult relationship made a 180° turnaround, and ever since then we've gotten along splendid! He has no clue of astrology, or about the fact that I consciously decided to alter my behavior, but perhaps unconsciously, he has changed his behavior towards me as well! Sounds miraculous, but I swear it's true.

The fact is that In my state of mind before doing the chart analysis, I simply couldn't see some aspects of his character that were very positive, and astrology helped me get a better overall picture of him and ultimately made me change for the better as well, because I must truly have exhibited some rather annoying behavior before.

posted September 27, 2014 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Piscesmoongirl:
How can a Moon square Saturn be used constructively?
I have it and as far as i can remember, there were times in my life where i couldn't help but feel a little depressed. How can i change that?

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Piscesmoongirl,

for clues on that question I would suggest to study the sign quality and house position of both the Moon and Saturn, and try to understand how they are connected to other planets in the chart. It makes a big difference whether it's a Cappy Saturn that squares the Moon from the 1st House, for instance, or an Aries Saturn that squares the Moon from the 6th, because the houses and signs will denote the area of life where the Planet's energy becomes manifest most strongly, and the manner in which this happens. Saturn and the Moon are also rulers of certain houses, and this you should also take into consideration.

Another helpful thing could be to look at the Sabian Symbols of these Planets to find additional meaning, and then try to integrate all these findings into a coherent picture. That would normally give you at least some sort of clue on how to turn this aspect into a constructive influence in your life. But unfortunately, hard Saturn-Luminary aspects very often mean that the native will occasionally feel depressed. The best thing would perhaps be to accept this tendency in oneself and actively try to learn things that can help manage depression when it occurs, such as Yoga, Meditation, Relaxation techniques, or one of the many other helpful things depending on what works best for you.

posted September 27, 2014 04:43 PM            

I'm also with the optimistic group and think you do have a word to say about the way some energies manifest. Sure, if we wouldn't be consciously aware, then we might have an excuse. But since we are here and have access to astrology and metaphysical knowledge that most people do not, I believe we owe it to ourselves to use it to our utmost benefit and positive growth.

The how is a little bit tricky. I truly believe that it all starts with acceptance. As long as you curse your bad aspects and wish you didn't have them, they are going to work against you and not for you. Understand that they are there for a reason and often are a blessing in disguise rather than a misfortune, that even harsh aspects have positive sides to them just as good ones have negative sides (and successful people usually have charts filled with hard aspects, the trick is that they made them work FOR them and not against them). A hard aspect is a little bit more acute than a soft one, it deserves more attention, it's a red flag that this is a lesson you need to master. As long as you feel defeated by it, you can't win. Read up on Moon trine or sextile Saturn and see if you could visualize yourself embodying those traits, behaving like that instead of like a Moon square Saturn. Think about areas in your life where you could put those qualities to good use, where would a sound, mature emotional reaction be best used?

That is a part of the process I used to come to terms with some of my aspects. It's still ongoing, but I embraced my demons, fighting them was consuming too much energy.

posted September 28, 2014 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Piscesmoongirl:
Some of you think it's possible while others do not.
But if the latter is the case, doesn't that mean that we are all doomed? Doesn't that mean that we are pawns, going wherever the wind blows, helpless to change a situation in our lives?
Does that mean that our future is predestined and any try is useless because in the end, the energy is going to play out the way it wants to?
All we have to do is accept things the way they are?
That is sad...

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No.
Look at it this way. We're all human, some men and some women, some white, some black, some Asian, Hispanic, mixed and so on. Our gender and race do not determine who we are or what we'll become, they simply are just our gender and our race, our "human blueprint." Can we change them, artificially yes, but biologically no we absolutely can't. This is the way I look at our birth charts. Your astrological energy is your energy that can be redirected(dealt with), not changed.

Your examples didn't correlate to what you're asking. Your examples dealt with psychology, human nature, not astrology. Everyone's looking for "THE ANSWER" when the answer is simple, it's you.

For example many people use astrology to include or exclude people that they may want relationships with, when in fact they can just rely on themselves, human nature to determine if they like that person(s) or not. Astrology does NOT solve the problems we have with human nature, we as humans do. I wish people understood that and they don't, that to me is truly sad

posted September 28, 2014 12:13 PM            

OP question I would answer Yes you can channel these energies differently. Find out the relationship of the difficult aspect to other planets in the chart, other signs, other people when activating them.

Find out how the aspect relates to you. Do you use wide orbs? If so, try using a different method of calculation and then your thoughts change about the so called doomed aspect and your life with different awareness begins to change.

posted September 28, 2014 12:28 PM            

Here's an example. I have a wide square in my chart between 2H Leo Uranus and 5H Scorpio NN.
When I think about my life's purpose in relation to survival issues, I step back into adjacent Sag. and think in terms of having fun and trusting my spiritual convictions and all is well. Likewise I may choose to I step back with Uranus into adjacent Cancer and focus on managing sudden changes in terms of basic survival needs for self instead of Leo extravagance impressing others.

posted September 28, 2014 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Let me ask the OP the other way round: If everything were predetermined, what would be the point of living in the first place?

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posted September 28, 2014 12:36 PM            

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Also Dancing Maenad's recommendation to embrace the energies rather than wishing for a different chart resonates a lot.

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