posted October 03, 2014 03:50 AM            

Who would become addicted?
Who would fear someone becoming addicted to them?
Would would want the control of someone becoming addicted to them?
Who would DEMAND that the other become addicted?

What is addiction to you in terms of relationships?

Is this a Pluto thing? Pluto wants that control of the other or he will become insecure and ruin things?

posted October 03, 2014 04:23 AM            

BPD (not a sign)

Who would become addicted?

Water Moons.. all of them, but mainly Cancer and Pisces.

Who would fear someone becoming addicted to them?

Independent people with placements like Aries, Sagittarius, Gemini.. People who need space and don't want this kind of responsibility.. Maybe Capricorn as well.

Would would want the control of someone becoming addicted to them?

No one who is mentally sane.. I don't think this is astrological.

Who would DEMAND that the other become addicted?

Someone less sane than the last person ^

What is addiction to you in terms of relationships?

I think addiction is really toxic and it happens because the person who becomes addicted doesn't have a strong sense of self.. and they lack healthy coping mechanisms.

Is this a Pluto thing? Pluto wants that control of the other or he will become insecure and ruin things?

posted October 03, 2014 04:29 AM            

count me in.

love me - yes.

addicted to me - no.

I'll be especially wary of s.o who comes to me singing "I can't live without you". Or s.o who threatens to take their own lives over break-ups. Because ime, "I'll kill myself if you leave" often turns into "I'll kill you if you leave".

What you described sounds like pluto goes wrong.

I think pluto may cause people to want to "dig deep", to analyze. It can be come invasive and obsessive. I think in the best scenarios, it may lead to thorough soul-searching that in turn, may promote positive changes.

posted October 03, 2014 04:54 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Odette:
[b] Maybe Capricorn as well.

count me in.

love me - yes.

addicted to me - no.

I'll be especially wary of s.o who comes to me singing "I can't live without you". Or s.o who threatens to take their own lives over break-ups. Because ime, "I'll kill myself if you leave" often turns into "I'll kill you if you leave".

What you described sounds like pluto goes wrong.

I think pluto may cause people to want to "dig deep", to analyze. It can be come invasive an obsessive. I think in the best scenarios, it may lead to thorough soul-searching that in turn, may promote positive changes. [/B]

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What about natal Pluto in 7H plus Pluto falling in same person's 7H? That is double Pluto in 7H...

I have read about people with natal pluto in 7H and they seem to project A LOT of what I have mentioned onto others because they have deep fears.

posted October 03, 2014 06:05 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Addicted to the point where functioning without the other is not a possibility?

Who would become addicted?
Who would fear someone becoming addicted to them?
Would would want the control of someone becoming addicted to them?
Who would DEMAND that the other become addicted?

What is addiction to you in terms of relationships?

Is this a Pluto thing? Pluto wants that control of the other or he will become insecure and ruin things?Brainstorm away!

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Obsession is when one is unable to draw boundaries between them and the SO.So i would definitely look at water placements Cancer,Pisces and Scorpio.

For obsessions that have to do with security,I would look to Taurus placements.Whilst Virgo placements can also make one very neurotic.

All in all Taurus,Virgo,Scorpio,Pisces and Cancer.

So if you place these signs on the social and romantic houses i.e 3rd, 5th,7th,8th and 11th,things can get a little out of control.

Planets like Pluto,Neptune,Mars,Moon and Sun in the houses mentioned can make one "obsessed" with the issues of that house.

If the planets spoken of also fall in the cusp of the signs given and the respective house,one can expect "double trouble".

So Pluto in 7th in Virgo can make one very particular on how a relationship "should" be. The partner is tasked with the monumental task of living up to puritanical standards(Virgo in 7th);

On the one hand,this can result in the Pluto in 7th house person choosing the single life- barring themselves from the "less than worthy" options of suitors available OR

If one is in a relationship,one extreme can be that one is so driven to "change" and alter the partner to their ideal.

On some level,the partner starts to be a psychological "project" in which their biggest expectations and ideals are projected on and energy is "purged".

If the "project" decides to leave and break away from the controlling attitude of the Pluto in 7th individual, the recourse by the one Pluto in Virgo person can be very swift and often very demoralizing.

They may want blood and will NOT give in without a fight

Obsessions sometimes don't have to necessarily come about in romantic relationships; 5th,7th and 8th.

At times obsessions can happen in acquaintances(3rd) and platonic friendships(11th).

A Moon in cancer in 3rd house for instance, expects that the "connection" they make with a stranger they meet means that they can precipitate that to automatically becoming "friends".

For the other person in the "friendship" that is more easy going, they may feel the Cancer Moon individual being too familiar, too soon with them and smothering them somewhat.

When I think of the Moon in Cancer in 3rd, I think of the movie "The Cable Guy". This is how extreme it can get.

Now if Scorpio Mars is on the 11th house, the individual joins a rugby club or sports team-at first very casually; Scorpio energy always appears a lot more "aloof" than they actually are.Especially in the initial stages.

As time goes on,the Mars in 11th(Scorpio) person starts to show a lot more assertion and becomes more visible within the group.

Being possessive of their team-mates and dismissing anyone who isn't a part of their "team" is not unusual.

As can be the resentment that builds up within them when a team mate pulls out of a "Girl's weekend" to be with their SO.

This individual is so invested(Mars in Scorpio)in the team(11th) that any other external activities come in 2nd place.

Even his SO soon learns that "the girls" are part and parcel of her life.

posted October 03, 2014 06:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Obsession is when one is unable to draw boundaries between them and the SO.So i would definitely look at water placements Cancer,Pisces and Scorpio.

For obsessions that have to do with security,I would look to Taurus placements.Whilst Virgo placements can also make one very neurotic.

All in all Taurus,Virgo,Scorpio,Pisces and Cancer.

So if you place these signs on the social and romantic houses i.e 3rd, 5th,7th,8th and 11th,things can get a little out of control.

Planets like Pluto,Neptune,Mars,Moon and Sun in the houses mentioned can make one "obsessed" with the issues of that house.

If the planets spoken of also fall in the cusp of the signs given and the respective house,one can expect "double trouble".

So Pluto in 7th in Virgo can make one very particular on how a relationship "should" be. The partner is tasked with the monumental task of living up to puritanical standards(Virgo in 7th);

On the one hand,this can result in the Pluto in 7th house person choosing the single life- barring themselves from the "less than worthy" options of suitors available OR

If one is in a relationship,one extreme can be that one is so driven to "change" and alter the partner to their ideal.

On some level,the partner starts to be a psychological "project" in which their biggest expectations and ideals are projected on and energy is "purged".

If the "project" decides to leave and break away from the controlling attitude of the Pluto in 7th individual, the recourse by the one Pluto in Virgo person can be very swift and often very demoralizing.

They may want blood and will NOT give in without a fight

Obsessions sometimes don't have to necessarily come about in romantic relationships; 5th,7th and 8th.

At times obsessions can happen in acquaintances(3rd) and platonic friendships(11th).

A Moon in cancer in 3rd house for instance, expects that the "connection" they make with a stranger they meet means that they can precipitate that to automatically becoming "friends".

For the other person in the "friendship" that is more easy going, they may feel the Cancer Moon individual being too familiar, too soon with them and smothering them somewhat.

When I think of the Moon in Cancer in 3rd, I think of the movie "The Cable Guy". This is how extreme it can get.

Now if Scorpio Mars is on the 11th house, the individual joins a rugby club or sports team-at first very casually; Scorpio energy always appears a lot more "aloof" than they actually are.Especially in the initial stages.

As time goes on,the Mars in 11th(Scorpio) person starts to show a lot more assertion and becomes more visible within the group.

Being possessive of their team-mates and dismissing anyone who isn't a part of their "team" is not unusual.

As can be the resentment that builds up within them when a team mate pulls out of a "Girl's weekend" to be with their SO.

This individual is so invested(Mars in Scorpio)in the team(11th) that any other external activities come in 2nd place.

Even his SO soon learns that "the girls" are part and parcel of her life.

This was an essay. Sorry!

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Great read! Thank you for taking the time!!

posted October 03, 2014 07:02 AM            

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posted October 03, 2014 11:43 AM            

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Planets like Pluto,Neptune,Mars,Moon and Sun in the houses mentioned can make one "obsessed" with the issues of that house.

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This makes a lot of sense to me! I've been with someone who has Pluto in the eighth, and they seem obsessed with sex. To the point that it made me angry. I felt like I was constantly warding off advances. It was exhausting to be around them.

posted October 03, 2014 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Addicted to the point where functioning without the other is not a possibility?

BPD (not a sign)

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posted October 03, 2014 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
What about natal Pluto in 7H plus Pluto falling in same person's 7H? That is double Pluto in 7H...

I have read about people with natal pluto in 7H and they seem to project A LOT of what I have mentioned onto others because they have deep fears.

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That said I am also an aqua stellium, cap stellium, aries moon, virgo jupiter => all of which yells INDEPENDENCE.

I typically seek relationships that promise to be dark, passionate and transforming. I am very all or nothing.

I would never loose independence. I give a lot but my Aqua sun is still my core self. I want the person to be a person first (and my equal) before he is with me. He should never lose his sense of identity.

However, when 2 individuals come together, they should create an US that is passionate and deep and profound.

I am really not interested in being controlling to anyone. I want to control my environment and am intensely protective of people I love. But I am mostly how an aqua/aries moon would be in a relationship.

Now, because the "us" that I want is passionate and deep, of course I want to be the love of my SO's life. But I also understand that there will be other "she" who leave impact on my supposedly partner. I wont be jealous but I am not interested in learning about a person's exes if they have nothing to do with me.

posted October 03, 2014 11:55 AM            

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This makes a lot of sense to me! I've been with someone who has Pluto in the eighth, and they seem obsessed with sex. To the point that it made me angry. I felt like I was constantly warding off advances. It was exhausting to be around them.

Whereas I have an empty eighth house and Pluto in the fifth (which is also ruled by Scorpio). I am more concerned with those butterfly feelings and romantic experiences, as well as my child. Those are the things I am "obsessed" with.

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posted October 03, 2014 11:58 AM            

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The 'butterfly feelings' is the dopamine/oxytocin combo.

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posted October 03, 2014 12:24 PM            

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? Yes, but the gut reaction to someone and the butterfly feelings at the beginning of a relationship have to do with the fifth house...am I right?

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Correct.

Were we to astrologically break down brain and biochemistry -- neutrotransmitters and hormones -- a kind of alchemy, for example -- I'd say that dopamine is a very 5H-oriented energy, whereas oxytocin is 7H, being 'the bonding hormone'.

Dopamine is 'pleasure' and motivation. We've only recently come to find its presence in motivation, but have always believed it involved in pleasure -- as well as motor-function. Perhaps, we could see this as a bit 2H, since it'd be 'bodily' oriented.

So imagine dopa is a 2H-5H one-two punch; the intimate energy we have to give, self-esteem, talent, our perception of our own sexuality (2H), and pleasure, enjoyment and recreation -- 'falling in love' (infatuation), with the 'lighter side of limerence'.

posted October 03, 2014 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
I'll be especially wary of s.o who comes to me singing "I can't live without you". Or s.o who threatens to take their own lives over break-ups. Because ime, "I'll kill myself if you leave" often turns into "I'll kill you if you leave".

What you described sounds like pluto goes wrong.

I think pluto may cause people to want to "dig deep", to analyze. It can be come invasive and obsessive. I think in the best scenarios, it may lead to thorough soul-searching that in turn, may promote positive changes.

Or neptune goes wrong. Addiction, dissolved boundaries, seeing what one wants to see..etc..[/B]

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My ex husband was like that. He said he'd commit suicide if I left. Them when he started seeing that I really truly was going to leave, it turned into joking threats about killing me or harming me so I can't leave. Then, when I actually left, he'd leave me messages with threats. Very specific ones I'd rather not get into because I told a few people in my life and might be too potentially identifying. As for Pluto, he had mars in Scorpio and Pluto scoprio but not conjunct. I think Pluto was square his Leo ascendant. He was a triple sag. For some reason I've found sag people to be extreeeeeaaaamly possessive and controlling for such a freedom loving sign! He always aid he couldn't live I without me. What he really meant is he didn't want me to live without him. He wasn't actually truly obsessed with me I don think. It seemed more like he wanted me to be obsessed with him. His mars was opposite my mars by a wide orb. His Pluto sextile my Venus and I have Pluto sextile Venus natally.

posted October 03, 2014 04:13 PM            

Pluto/scorpio placements natally, in synastry and in composite. Neptune wants to merge and provides the idealism but the obsession, addiction, difficulty forgetting and letting go comes from pluto and other factors which are often compared to pluto like chiron and BML. The addiction to something that makes you feel intensely is a pluto thing.

BML and Priapus in synastry and composite aspecting each other or either aspecting the luminaries and personal planets.

The Super Galactic Center in synastry including midpoints in synastry that conjunct the SGC. Its a very intense point and results in the other imprinting themselves unto you and visa versa so once that link is made is hard to break it.

Chiron in synastry and composite; gives this feeling that the other fixes everything and completes you.

Couple asteroids:
Eurydike and Orpheus
Hylonome and Cyllarus

Asteroids:
Ophelia
Klytia

posted October 03, 2014 04:18 PM            

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posted October 03, 2014 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:

Who would fear someone becoming addicted to them?

Independent people with placements like Aries, Sagittarius, Gemini.. People who need space and don't want this kind of responsibility.. Maybe Capricorn as well.

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I'd throw in Uranians/those with Uranus aspects to personal planets/angles as well.

posted October 03, 2014 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Now if Scorpio Mars is on the 11th house, the individual joins a rugby club or sports team-at first very casually; Scorpio energy always appears a lot more "aloof" than they actually are.Especially in the initial stages.

As time goes on,the Mars in 11th(Scorpio) person starts to show a lot more assertion and becomes more visible within the group.

Being possessive of their team-mates and dismissing anyone who isn't a part of their "team" is not unusual.

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posted October 03, 2014 09:56 PM            

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Originally posted by MorpHnStorM:
I'd throw in Uranians/those with Uranus aspects to personal planets/angles as well.

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posted October 03, 2014 11:13 PM            

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I have Uranus on 1st, square MC, square Moon and I still like clinginess. -shrug-

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Same here. Neptune is there too.
I don't really like the idea of merging though. It scares me actually

posted October 04, 2014 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Addiction = moon opposite pluto
moon's addicted

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posted October 04, 2014 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Addicted to the point where functioning without the other is not a possibility?

Who would become addicted?
Who would fear someone becoming addicted to them?
Would would want the control of someone becoming addicted to them?
Who would DEMAND that the other become addicted?

What is addiction to you in terms of relationships?

Is this a Pluto thing? Pluto wants that control of the other or he will become insecure and ruin things?

Brainstorm away!

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