posted October 09, 2014 09:27 AM            

I would say it all depends on the Libra planets and where they're placed. Some planets in Libra are going to be more prone towards the negative traits of Libra, such as in Mars. Some Libra planets will be more positive and exude a greater sense of optimism such as being in Venus.

I have Libra stellium of Saturn/Jupiter/Pluto on my Libra ASC and I can't stand 99.99999% of people I encounter simply because society is full of diluted idiots. Am I depressed from this? Well, yeah, but to some extent, WHO ISN'T?!

I'm actually very optimistic, but not in others...just about myself. Although I stopped giving a rat's ass about others a long time ago, I still do "care" about society, care about the state of humanity going downhill, and I find myself strangely willing to do things for others without even thinking about it- nice things for strangers, even. I don't know why, and I don't want to stop it, it's just automatic on my part.

posted October 09, 2014 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
I'm actually very optimistic, but not in others...just about myself. Although I stopped giving a rat's ass about others a long time ago, I still do "care" about society, care about the state of humanity going downhill, and I find myself strangely willing to do things for others without even thinking about it- nice things for strangers, even. I don't know why, and I don't want to stop it, it's just automatic on my part.

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Similar to me.

I also don't like when people do things like not pick up after their pets, though I'll overlook it if the person is old or injured. The over the top rudeness I saw when living in Frisco made me swear to never return (did pass through and stop once which was an okay experience, even if the musical I'd been wanting to see was sold out and soon to close).

One way I deal is have a room to myself which is my sanctuary done in my colors, sounds, smells, and the like. The rest of my home is to be shared, but this room is MINE. As long as I have that to retreat to I seem to do okay.

posted October 10, 2014 04:52 PM            

2 have Libra Moon and Venus.
1 has Libra Sun, Moon, Mercury, Jupiter and Uranus.
2 have Libra Sun.
1 has Libra Moon.

Naturally, the one with the stellium was the "leader" or rather the "den mother" of the group.

"Libra energy itself is not well suited to handle uncivilized, irreverent, and unintelligent behavior as a general thing."

This. However, I couldn't stay around them for extended periods of time because as much as they'd say they didn't like that kind of behavior, they were the most gossipy, intolerant, stuck up group of people I've ever met that would be a friend to your face and then stab you in the back when it would benefit themselves.

In the beginning, two people including myself with strong Capricorn were part of the group, and two people with strong Aries. They alienated all of us.

They like to fancy themselves as uppercrust and rich and refined, snubbing whatever they thought was beneath them. It was fun to do things with them for a while until I realized all this. They were a group that had a lot of laughs and knew how to have fun.

posted October 10, 2014 05:33 PM            

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Originally posted by bopbop:
They like to fancy themselves as uppercrust and rich and refined, snubbing whatever they thought was beneath them. It was fun to do things with them for a while until I realized all this. They were a group that had a lot of laughs and knew how to have fun.

If they get depressed over people not meeting their standards, I would rarely shed a tear though. Their standards were often the double kind.

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I've only known one Libra like that (though most people like you describe, Libra and otherwise, wouldn't have anything to do with me anyway). And I thought I'd give an example of what I meant off the top of my head.

I tried a cheap Mexican food place...it was terrible for many reasons, but I tried. Giving up on eating what I ordered before I was half way done I left it the table (outside) as there were homeless people (including kids) outside who I knew would not be so choosy (I expect some of them were ready to snatch it up the moment it was left unguarded anyway) as I don't believe in wasting food. I went to dump the ice out of the cup before throwing it away when I saw a guy grab the plate of food I'd left behind to take it to the trash. I rushed out there and told him that the homeless would get it.

"Exactly," he said as he dumped the food in the trash.

I asked what they'd ever done to him and he said "they take our jobs" so in his mind he was thinking of illegal aliens (I guess it must've hurt to eat there since I'd say those who worked there were probably illegal, and I bet would fail most standards, too--and it did shut down later, plenty of reasons possible on why). I told him he could have at least given it to his dog before leaving.

Likewise, I recall riding my bike home on a bike path to see a trail of tacks to flatten tires. I picked up everyone I saw. Someone pried a nail at a gazebo in a nearby park so that it could tear clothing or even skin and I went home to get a hammer to nail it back down. I sweep up a bunch of glass at that park and leave a polite sign to please be careful because of skateboarding kids as well as animals who can lick it off their paws (I actually thought people would care once it occurred to them) and next day there were like a score of smashed bottles by the sign. I also ended up sweeping up a lot of smashed jagged glass elsewhere that mothers were letting their kids do kickflips over and climbing in trees above (I asked them what they'd do if the kids got injured and they'd say they'd sue whoever was responsible for making sure the glass wasn't there, but they couldn't agree exactly on who that was other than their children's safety wasn't their own responsibility). I also stomped out a cigarette there that someone threw out of his moving car into dry grass and these were apartments with a lot of elderly and kids.

posted October 10, 2014 07:55 PM            

I've met over 10 Libra Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars or combinations thereof that fit the description I mentioned. From a Libran perspective, you don't get depressed at a bad behavior, you become judgmental and disdainful.

Of course, people have many facets and the chart does as well, but this seems pretty distinctly in Libra's court. Depression is coming from somewhere else.

I agree there are a lot of ****** people in the world. I can't leave my car window cracked on a hot day in some areas because I've had people (probably teenagers) throw cigarettes into my car at least three times.

posted October 10, 2014 08:25 PM            

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Originally posted by bopbop:
I ran around with a group of friends who ALL had strong Libra placements:

2 have Libra Moon and Venus.
1 has Libra Sun, Moon, Mercury, Jupiter and Uranus.
2 have Libra Sun.
1 has Libra Moon.

Naturally, the one with the stellium was the "leader" or rather the "den mother" of the group.

"Libra energy itself is not well suited to handle uncivilized, irreverent, and unintelligent behavior as a general thing."

This. However, I couldn't stay around them for extended periods of time because as much as they'd say they didn't like that kind of behavior, they were the most gossipy, intolerant, stuck up group of people I've ever met that would be a friend to your face and then stab you in the back when it would benefit themselves.

In the beginning, two people including myself with strong Capricorn were part of the group, and two people with strong Aries. They alienated all of us.

They like to fancy themselves as uppercrust and rich and refined, snubbing whatever they thought was beneath them. It was fun to do things with them for a while until I realized all this. They were a group that had a lot of laughs and knew how to have fun.

If they get depressed over people not meeting their standards, I would rarely shed a tear though. Their standards were often the double kind.

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Lol, all of this. Libras with more water placements that i've known have been a bit more compassionate. A lot of the libras I've met were only nice on the exterior, like a facade and extremely passive aggressive, the pleasant facade only a ruse to win people over.

posted October 10, 2014 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:
Lol, all of this. Libras with more water placements that i've known have been a bit more compassionate. A lot of the libras I've met were only nice on the exterior, like a facade and extremely passive aggressive, the pleasant facade only a ruse to win people over.

However I've known a few that also had water placements and seemed to have this kind of anxiety and depression about people since folks were not always as kind and accepting as they were. My advice to them was always to not get too close and excited about new people initially, as they would easily become interested in someone, and as a result became let down. To give yourself time to evaluate someone before you consider them worthy of your kindness/friendship. Also to accept rudeness, unintelligent, crass behavior as a part of the human condition and learn to try and roll with the punches rather than just alienate themselves or becoming elitist snobs.

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Yes, lots of water can definitely help soften things up. A lot of these people I mention have a lot of air (intellectual) and earth (material) in their charts.

posted October 10, 2014 08:45 PM            

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Originally posted by bopbop:
What you describe sounds a lot more like Pisces influence to me, or another water sign. Especially needing a sanctuary. Libra is not a bleeding heart

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The sanctuary is where everything is harmonious so my scales can balance. It's pretty standard astrological knowledge that Libra needs that to be at their best. I can only do that to its full effect in my one room...the rest is about harmonizing with others (those who live with me and also my neighbors, probably due to my 3H Libra stellium which may also contribute to why I consider harmony in the neighborhood important as well).

And bleeding hearts? I wouldn't actually call myself that, certainly many others wouldn't. But there's Brigitte Bardot (major animal rights activist, vegetarian on bleeding heart principles, and sold off millions of dollars of her stuff to fund the Brigitte Bardot Foundation for the Welfare and Protection of Animals, and Greenpeace named a ship after her), Mahatma Gandhi (granted, the guy doesn't appear to be as nice as many think, but then Libras are known to be exceedingly nice or the opposite depending on how their scales are balanced at the moment), Helen Hayes (philanthropist, especially with hospitals and rehabilitation), Eleanore Roosevelt (major civil rights activist), and I could go on naming Libras who cared about others.

posted October 10, 2014 08:48 PM            

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Originally posted by bopbop:
Yet the Libras I've known would get upset if someone was dating the wrong person, as in, someone who wasn't in their social class according to them, or balked at eating at Azteca because it wasn't "authentic Mexican" and it was too low brow (and heaven forbid I make Jiffy muffins... lol, I've actually had three Libras look down on me for making Jiffy muffins on three separate occasions), or would make fun of people that like rap music and make them feel bad about it, or silently (or not so silently) judge everyone around them if they didn't fit into whatever box they put themselves into. So I get pretty leery if a Libra says that other people disappoint them.

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Just out of curiosity, how many people do you know who AREN'T like this? Is it really only the Libras? (Going by Lindaland, everyone is as you describe them here, they just disagree on which signs are the most prone to it.)

posted October 10, 2014 09:25 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
The sanctuary is where everything is harmonious so my scales can balance. It's pretty standard astrological knowledge that Libra needs that to be at their best. I can only do that to its full effect in my one room...the rest is about harmonizing with others (those who live with me and also my neighbors, probably due to my 3H Libra stellium which may also contribute to why I consider harmony in the neighborhood important as well).

And bleeding hearts? I wouldn't actually call myself that, certainly many others wouldn't. But there's Brigitte Bardot (major animal rights activist, vegetarian on bleeding heart principles, and sold off millions of dollars of her stuff to fund the Brigitte Bardot Foundation for the Welfare and Protection of Animals, and Greenpeace named a ship after her), Mahatma Gandhi (granted, the guy doesn't appear to be as nice as many think, but then Libras are known to be exceedingly nice or the opposite depending on how their scales are balanced at the moment), Helen Hayes (philanthropist, especially with hospitals and rehabilitation), Eleanore Roosevelt (major civil rights activist), and I could go on naming Libras who cared about others.

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Care about others =/= bleeding heart. I didn't necessarily say you were one either, just that Libra isn't interested in compassion for the sake of feelings, but compassion for the sake of fairness or what they consider proper. You know, scales and stuff.

There are activists (as well as artists, and politicians, and actors, and writers... and on) of any sign.

I know a lot of people who aren't like that. Yes, it's mostly Libras (especially Libra Moon). I see you're subtly and indirectly saying that I have bad taste in social circles and character. Now that's more like it for a Libra.

(oh man, I'm just playing now. We have different experiences and that's the end of it and of course you're going to defend a sign that you share. Please don't take offense. I'll stop now.)

posted October 11, 2014 12:13 AM            

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Originally posted by bopbop:
We have different experiences and that's the end of it and of course you're going to defend a sign that you share. Please don't take offense. I'll stop now.

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Agreed on different experiences, for whatever the reason, and to drop it here (resisting the temptation to quibble). But I will point out that I defend a great many signs and placements on LL (some of which I lack completely in my own chart and even those that belong to people who have hurt me bad) and say that natal charts are potential rather than destiny, life shapes that potential into its good and bad forms, and a person can evolve or degrade even once the tone is set.