posted October 12, 2014 05:52 PM            

Also, if one has Moon in the 1st H, even one might have Scorpio rising, round face might come through or that the person might have Cancer Sun with Scorpio rising.

Think of Jack White.

posted October 12, 2014 09:35 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:
Here is also a website I got from another thread here that goes into details about each decante and aspects to the ascendant: http://reocities.com/athens/delphi/1601/physical.html

Let me know if you guys find it to be accurate/inaccurate. I found my decante's description to be inaccurate until I discovered my birth time was mistaken by 20 minutes...

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The above page is on my 'notorious' list as using inaccurate data and leading to inaccurate conclusions. An example is the use of Sigourney Weaver as an example of Gemini rising. See here she is nothing of the sort and fits the rectangular/squarish face/head pattern of the fixed sign indicated on her Asc: Taurus http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Weaver,_Sigourney

In addition, the author's claim that, "Mercury conjunctions result in a VERY much shorter and slimmer body" is just plain wrong. Mercury conjuctions, parallels or other angular aspects to the Asc normally will show as greater height, a more limby body, narrower face/higher hairline.

There are other glaring errors, but I will leave it at that.

Much of the material on that page is utter nonsense derived from a couple examples at most. The author simply over-reaches.

Rising Signs do not vary appearance noticeably or usably according to decanates. You can like or dislike that statement, but decans/decanates are artificially imposed upon signs with the assumption there is a kind of exclusive sympathetic relation amongst signs of the same element. Instead, the zodiac works holographically which means that the signs all contain a micro-representation of all the signs of the zodiac in the form of dwads (duads). These are not very useful in matchup up physical appearance because inevitably planets intervene when they aspect the Asc and planets are far stronger than signs or dwads, particularly when the aspect is tight.

My Rising Signs page is based on years of study, research, observations and expert rectification practice. I put my own name on the page because I stake my reputation as an astrologer on its accuracy. I've been told repeatedly the page contains the most accurate descriptions of Rising Signs that the individuals reporting have ever read.

librarising.com also contains erroneous and/or hugely presumptuous information about what sign is on the Asc of the various chart examples.

astrofaces.com is also a poor source because there is no screening process either on the website's side or the user's for rounded birth times, inaccurate birth times, etc. A brief survey of it and you will see that there is simply no correlation whatsoever, a total mixed bag from sign to sign. Not reliable for rectifying charts.

posted October 12, 2014 10:48 PM            

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(think Michael Jackson and his Pluto conjunct Sun, he had a Gemini asc per Basil Fearington and a Peter Pan nose )

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There was a thread on this site which stated that his mom gave a birth time of 7:30pm. After he died. This would make him a Pisces Asc. I believe that fits.

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Sags have a protruding lower lip (Brad Pitt style) and big teeth and thighs (Beyonce), the teeth and the body allude to a horse.

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So it would seem. BUT, I've seen more Pisces Risings with big/horse teeth than Sagittarius Risings...though I haven't met them all. One thing I've noticed about Sagittarius Asc is they tend to have a bounce in their step, and the travel light.

This is just me, but I believe when trying to guess the Asc it would help to pay attention to the MC (public image) & IC (home, family environment). This could be why, ime, Pisces Asc have horse teeth, or lots of them, while Sagittarius Asc have such a tidy and efficient carriage.

Beyonce / Sag Asc.

Pisces Asc

Pisces Asc

posted October 12, 2014 11:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:

This is just me, but I believe when trying to guess the Asc it would help to pay attention to the MC (public image) & IC (home, family environment). This could be why, ime, Pisces Asc have horse teeth, or lots of them, while Sagittarius Asc have such a tidy and efficient carriage.

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posted October 12, 2014 11:23 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:
Excellent observation. I've noticed this when observing my own rising sign and had a theory that it might play into the appearance. I have noticed Cap asc with scorpio MC have a darker more serious look where as cap asc with libra MC appear softer and more refined.

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Not so bad yourself in the observation department. Wow, that's quite a difference, and makes perfect sense.

posted October 12, 2014 11:33 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:
Excellent observation. I've noticed this when observing my own rising sign and had a theory that it might play into the appearance. I have noticed Cap asc with scorpio MC have a darker more serious look where as cap asc with libra MC appear softer and more refined.

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posted October 12, 2014 11:44 PM            

I find your description of cap asc quite true for me.

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gives a rounded-ovate head, often with compact faces and smaller features. The chin tends to be smallish, rounding off the face. The ears often stick out and/or may show an absence of any lobes. This sometimes creates an elfin or impish look.

The build is most often slender, even delicate looking

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posted October 13, 2014 03:48 AM            

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I think if you interact with a person enough, based on their information about childhood and household, plus your own information about their sun, moon, etc... That'd make it a little bit easier to guess.

I tend to successfully guess Leo IC since I have it natally. And from there, I can guess whether the person has Gem or Taurus rising - very different nature.

Generally you have to have some way to narrow things down.

Guess Asc threads on LL have not been super successful because we don't know the person's background, childhood and vibe when we interact with them.

I am an aries moon, Taurus Asc. People always think I am a good listener. Had I been born a little bit later or earlier, the Gem or Aires ASC would've manifested differently.

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The IC hehe? Really? Fascinating.

So how does it work? Do you ask questions and the person answers? Or does it suffice to just have the person tell you details of their childhood/earlier life?

posted October 13, 2014 08:51 AM            

Excellent, thank you I have to study that more.

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They err on the side of confidence.

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posted October 13, 2014 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by astra7:
Have fun looking through this site. http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/index.html

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Just looking at my sun and moon sign...I feel like I belong in this "family" But yes I do feel like I would fit in best with my own rising sign subgroup. One of these days I'll send them my picture.

ETA: And my children would fit in really well with their respective groups.

For example, my middle son looks a lot like this:

posted October 13, 2014 02:49 PM            

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The IC hehe? Really? Fascinating.

So how does it work? Do you ask questions and the person answers? Or does it suffice to just have the person tell you details of their childhood/earlier life?

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Moon in 4th is pretty clear. The mother tends to be very involved in all aspects of the natives. Uranus in IC and Pluto in IC or scorpio IC are very distinctive too.

If someone just seems to have very loving family ... nothing special but just warm, happy family, that's a cancer IC. From their vibes then you can see if they have Taurus or Aries or Pisces asc.

Everybody feels out aspects differently. Again, I am not professional so I don't particularly have a systematic way to see these things.

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Your son is cute.

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posted October 13, 2014 06:26 PM            

To be *cat people* we would need lots of cats and cat paraphrenalia all around the house, like picture frames with little cat paw prints all around them (this is what Americans do, you see)...and we'd send greeting cards to our friends that are cat-themed. And if you called me on the phone one of the first things I'd say would be like, "Guess what the vet said about my cat??"

It's not like that. We just have one cat and we like her but we don't advertise it really loud.

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So it would seem. BUT, I've seen more Pisces Risings with big/horse teeth than Sagittarius Risings...though I haven't met them all. One thing I've noticed about Sagittarius Asc is they tend to have a bounce in their step, and the travel light.

This is just me, but I believe when trying to guess the Asc it would help to pay attention to the MC (public image) & IC (home, family environment). This could be why, ime, Pisces Asc have horse teeth, or lots of them, while Sagittarius Asc have such a tidy and efficient carriage.

Beyonce / Sag Asc.

Pisces Asc

Pisces Asc

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Thanks, I didn't notice this until now!
The distinguishing element would be the eyes, Pisces or Pisces rising seem to have a large(er) upper eyelid, giving them those *dreamy eyes*

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Have fun looking through this site. http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/index.html

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posted October 14, 2014 09:22 PM            

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I think the Pisces you see in MJ is his moon, to me he is the epitome of Gemini rising.

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The OFFICIAL birth data is as follows:
Birthdate: August 29, 1958Birthplace: Gary, INBirth Time: 7:33 pm CST (Gary, IN did NOT observe Daylight Savings Time in 1958.)Source: Birth Certificate data via Katherine Jackson to Taj Jackson:"Just got the official word from Grandma herself. :-) Uncle Michael was born at 7:33 PM.""Straight from the birth certificate."

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posted October 15, 2014 11:56 AM            

There has never been any documentation to indicate Gemini rising for him. It comes from a misquote from one of two biographies, neither of which gave a time at all. There has been mixed birth time information causing some of us rectifiers to test numerous charts. I have methodically tested and eliminated Gemini, Taurus, Aquarius, even Scorpio charts going back to the report of the 12:09 pm birth time.

The chart that is left standing that works best for MJ is a mid-Pisces chart 16* with Moon conjunct Asc. There are very strong indications of its validity when looking at both progressions and transits for his marriages, as well as in synastry with Lisa Marie Presley. It differs by only +14 minutes of clock time from the 7:33 pm time quote from the family.

Michael's behavior over time and difficulties with self-image and cosmetic surgery are actually pretty common with Pisces rising types, particularly those in the arts who are in the spotlight. Then when you consider the skin disease (Vitiligo) a mid-Pisces chart makes sense since Saturn at 19 Gemini makes a square to that Asc. Saturn is the significator for skin diseases.

Michael Jackson validated birth chart: https://kannonmcafee.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/mj-validated2.gif

posted October 15, 2014 01:16 PM            

But it is really difficult, cause out of all the people you know, how many of them have ever told you their TOB? I only know the TOB of about 5-6 people and it is only 1 of them where I tried to guess their ascendant (but was right) Before they told me their TOB.

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But where are his struggles with sexuality (in the Gemini rising chart, he has Mars in the 12th).
Where is the authoritarian father? (Sun conjunct Pluto in the 4th in the Gem chart)
Where is the Howard Hughes figure, the oddest wounded soul in the world? (Chiron in Aqua on the MC)
Where is the world's greatest performer, who only felt at ease on stage? (this is textbook, Moon in the 10th, and we, the general public, have witnessed all his trials and tribulations, his extreme sensitivity.)

"When I get on stage, I don't know what happens. It feels so good, it's like the safest place in the world for me.

I'm totally at home on the stage. That's where I live. That's where I was born. That's where I'm safe."