posted October 24, 2014 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
What is difference? When do you use tertiary?

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I never use tertiary progressions. I take the term 'tertiary' to indicate that it is thrice removed from reality.

Tertiary progressions move all planets/points in the progressed chart at the rate of the Moon's movement. That's not how the planets move. I understand the principle, but it further removes astrology from reality. I never see a reason to use them.

Solar arcs similarly create a fiction by moving all planets/points at the rate of the Sun's movement in the progressed chart. Again, not how they actually move. I have used solar arcs and, yes, they can show some timing factors, but they are not as reliable as secondary progressions. I have dropped them from my professional practice.

Secondary progressions move all planets in the progressed chart as they *actually* move as original transits to your chart in the days/weeks following your birth.(In the modern method calculated points like Asc and house cusps are moved at the annual sum rate, rather than as they actually move). These and transits are all I ever need to track trends for anyone and to do precise predictive and rectification work.

Yes, you can find interesting correlations, timings, etc, if you use solar arcs or tertiary progressions. However, there is a principle at work, which is the more you concentrate on fewer methods the better you will be at those. Hopping back and forth between various methods of progression based on whimsy or vague reasons isn't a good basis for improved learning or performance in astrology practice.

Modern astrology, unfortunately, has delivered to us lots of gadgets and options for objects to put on charts -- a veritable sea of astrological phenomena. During this period I have not seen the overall quality of astrology practice increase significantly. Astrologers, like many people in life, can be driven to distraction if unable to prioritize information and eliminate what is not worth our time.

posted October 24, 2014 04:17 PM            

Tertiary progressions are highly accurate as well if you understand them.

Things are't so simple. You must use many tools to get information. Astrology isn't about using just one type of method. It depends on what you want to know.

Solar Arcs - Life changing occurrences

Progressions - where we have grown from our birth chart, how it unfolds

posted October 24, 2014 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I never use tertiary progressions. I take the term 'tertiary' to indicate that it is thrice removed from reality.

[b]Tertiary progressions move all planets/points in the progressed chart at the rate of the Moon's movement. That's not how the planets move. I understand the principle, but it further removes astrology from reality. I never see a reason to use them.

Solar arcs similarly create a fiction by moving all planets/points at the rate of the Sun's movement in the progressed chart. Again, not how they actually move. I have used solar arcs and, yes, they can show some timing factors, but they are not as reliable as secondary progressions. I have dropped them from my professional practice.

Secondary progressions move all planets in the progressed chart as they *actually* move as original transits to your chart in the days/weeks following your birth.(In the modern method calculated points like Asc and house cusps are moved at the annual sum rate, rather than as they actually move). These and transits are all I ever need to track trends for anyone and to do precise predictive and rectification work.

Yes, you can find interesting correlations, timings, etc, if you use solar arcs or tertiary progressions. However, there is a principle at work, which is the more you concentrate on fewer methods the better you will be at those. Hopping back and forth between various methods of progression based on whimsy or vague reasons isn't a good basis for improved learning or performance in astrology practice.

Modern astrology, unfortunately, has delivered to us lots of gadgets and options for objects to put on charts -- a veritable sea of astrological phenomena. During this period I have not seen the overall quality of astrology practice increase significantly. Astrologers, like many people in life, can be driven to distraction if unable to prioritize information and eliminate what is not worth our time.

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Yes, but sec progressions, are fictitious too, it's all metaphorical, either you use the Sun or the Moon as a point of reference.

It's not like your Venus is now in Libra and at birth it was in Leo. It's a symbolic, imaginary journey.

Sun and Moon are equally important and their dual/opposite symbolism ever present in our psyche. Either you choose the Moon or the Sun as reference, or you choose the actual speed or a symbolic speed like in SA, since all progressed charts are metaphorical, neither method of progressions is more "realistic" than the other.

posted October 24, 2014 05:09 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Using Solar arcs is the best method for prediction. I don't know what type of predictions you do, but mine work down to the second. Progressions don't work as good.

Tertiary progressions are highly accurate as well if you understand them.

Things are't so simple. You must use many tools to get information. Astrology isn't about using just one type of method. It depends on what you want to know.

Solar Arcs - Life changing occurrences

Progressions - where we have grown from our birth chart, how it unfolds

T Progressions - where we are emotionally. what are we dealing with inside that nobody else can see?

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I agree that things aren't so simple, but then you offer a simplistic explanation for each of the methods of progression.

If you are good at using a tool then I'm not here to talk you out of it. However, we're answering a question from a novice/newby/student who needs some reasonable context and choices framed up based on how the sky actually works.

I'm proposing that a reduction in the layers of symbolism and looking to the actual sky as a basis for reality reference is the way to go. This limits symbolic thinking so that we remain more in tune with what is actually happening, both in the sky and in humans.

athenegoddess, I'm curious what of your predictions have been accurate 'to the second.' I've never met an astrologer who felt the need to be that specific, nor one who claimed that degree of precision.

LeeLoo2014,

I don't feel the need to choose either the Sun or Moon in reference to how I read or work with predictive charts. I always prefer to look at the whole person and see a unity of self/life. In this way the Solar and Lunar principles are never separated in my approach to astrology just as they are not separated in that individual. Again, realism with the sky and with humans is a guide for me.

And yes, secondary progressions are more realistic than tertiary or solar arcs. These methods have nowhere near 'equal' realism.

Solar Arcs: 9 out of 10 planets are moved according to the Sun's movement. Only 1 out of 10 are realistic based on the original movement. Out of 12 cusps/calculated points none are moved according to the sky's actual movements. That's a 1 out of 22 for realism.

Tertiary progressions: a total fiction. Not even the Moon is moved according to the Moon's actual movement in the sky at any point. Its a purely symbolic projection upon only a symbolic basis -- not on actual phenomena. 0 out of 22 for realism.

Secondary progressions: calculated points are moved at an annual sum rate, so not entirely based upon how the sky moves, but ending each year in the same place as the original movements; all planets are moved according to their original transiting movements. That's a 10 out of 22 for realism, much better than the previous two.

Certainly astrologers have their preferences and attachments to certain tools. If you are good at it, fine. But more students need to understand what they are actually choosing when they utilize a tool and when they choose them.

posted October 24, 2014 05:38 PM            

Regarding secondary progressions, I don't see why moving planets with their speed is less or more "realistic" since a person born with a Leo Venus on the sky always has a Leo Venus and we only imagine and accurately predict his personal evolution passing through Virgo Libra stages etc. because we use a metaphor. When we use metaphors, we can use infinite metaphors by choosing infinite reference points relevant to humankind/astronomy/symbolism and they are all equally accurate.

All astrology is a metaphor in my view, it's not like the actual astrobody, the planet Mercury has an "intelligent" astro-physical influence on humankind. It would be the same as saying eating an owl makes you smart. WE give meaning to things and that meaning becomes reality. Inspired by some natural characteristics, of course - like the reddish colour of Mars, but our mind takes it much much further. Astrology is a product of our mind, not the sky.

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posted October 28, 2014 11:19 AM            

I am not a novice nor an expert.

posted October 29, 2014 05:25 AM            

Do the critical (& anaretic) degrees hold weight with you?
I am slowly trying to interprete mine, I have my progressed moon at 29° scorpio in the 3rd house, some literature I've read say this is a 'crisis' degree or may pertain to something important happening- I've yet to go back in the years to see if any other aspect correlated with major events. My progressed moon will soon move to my 5th house at 2° sag.

posted October 29, 2014 12:38 PM            

Pisces at 29 deg is suppose to be very spiritual..

Personally I find that transits to the natal including natal midpoints are much more accurate than transits to the progress.

posted October 29, 2014 02:26 PM            

My above post was meant to say current progressed moon in 4th house not 3rd. And it's actually squaring my natal mercury which is at 29° aqua.

posted October 29, 2014 02:30 PM            

My above post was meant to say current progressed moon in 4th house not 3rd. And it's actually squaring my natal mercury which is at 29° aqua.

posted October 29, 2014 09:15 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I did read that scorpio 29 degs is the most karmic point of a chart so perhaps you are getting rid of some needed karma right now with progressed moon there..

Pisces at 29 deg is suppose to be very spiritual..

Personally I find that transits to the natal including natal midpoints are much more accurate than transits to the progress.

Here is a link about the anaretic
degrees: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum34/HTML/001499.html

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Before I discovered progressions Astrology was vast, complex, and intimidating These days I get more hits than misses. However, before you dabble in progressions I believe there are pre-requisites you ought to get acquainted with first...

1. The Dynamic Cycle - conjunction, sextile, square, trine, opposition

posted November 03, 2014 11:53 AM            

This has definitely gotten my attention...I see how the progression in combo with solar arc and transits making aspects to the natal its very revealing indeed.

For example;

My husband's progressed Jupiter conjunct Moon at the SGC conjuncts his saturn in the 5th in libra at 1 11.

He has solar arc venus conjuncting exact his juno in the 5th at 29 degrees virgo which opposes his natal pholus exact.

He has solar arc northnode conjuncting his natal jupiter in the 5th so all planets in his 5th house which are on the SGC and two of them except for saturn are intercepted and all aspect my sun are been activated by progressions and solar arc.

I have solar arc BML conjunct exact my natal moon which conjuncts my IC though.

He also has natal uranus conjunct mars on his DC and progressed Uranus conjuncting his DC, solar arc pluto and BML conjuncting his DC as well as transit saturn to top it off so lots of action on his DC! ??

He has solar arc ceres conjuncting his natal venus in the 4th and solar arc moon transiting his natal 4th house.