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DeepFreeze
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posted October 29, 2014 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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seekinglight
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posted October 29, 2014 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seekinglight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps someone who is easily manipulated/influenced by people. The ego might play a huge role behind this.

Heard a story from a friend a while back of her friend who walked into one of those designers' goods store only to be ignored by the sales assistant because of her dress attire. So in order to prove her 'dollar value', she picked up the most expensive item and purchased it right away. She was gloating, but hey, the sales assistant made a huge sale too. Good on them both!

But really, I see it as immaturity. One who has a strong sense of self would probably not be too much affected by people's opinions or actions. They are those who would just stride away in a typical Uranian way: stuff them, stuff the world, you do whatever you want but I get to do what I want based on my own principles, ethics and values.

Just my POV.

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PisceanDream
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posted October 29, 2014 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DF, did you edit out your post? Or is your topic just "proving a point" LOL. Let me know!

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seekinglight
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posted October 29, 2014 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seekinglight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
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Oops! Did my comment go too far? I apologize for being blunt then. Having chiron sq mercury and prog mercury on pluto in scorpio, I'm terrible when it comes to words. Don't mean any harm there. Honestly.

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DeepFreeze
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posted October 30, 2014 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm just.... in a funk. It happens to me.

I'm feeling extremely antisocial - if that's the correct term. Which I don't care if it technically is or is not.
I'm just feeling like I want to be alone. I don't want to talk much to people. It came on pretty suddenly.
I'm tired of social rules, things that you do and don't do because of societies popular view of how you should behave. Political correctness. I'm tired of this racism crap. It deeply, DEEPLY disturbs me. It really angers me. I don't understand racism. (the current protests and etc. Things local and just all over - accusations etc)
I'm tired of what feels to me like an overall sexual obsession in people. I'm tired of seeing sexual things all over - in discussion topics, on tv, ads... used to sell us things. Articles about who the sexiest celebs are and all that crap.
I'm tired of money, and politics.... and greed. Flashiness.

Sorry... I could go on. I am just tired of being a part of all of this, being surrounded by it. I'm feeling like a square peg around a bunch of round holes.

An absolute DREAM for me would be to live out in the woods in Montana. Chill out there... enjoy nature, build things, have a garden in the spring/summer. All that stuff. Isolation. I would truly truly be happy with that.

I come here, and I get online. Sometimes I wonder why. If I had some land, a wooded area to myself, I could easily leave all of this behind. I'd be happy to be oblivious to what's going on outside of my box. I hate the media.

Anyway, sorry. Just a very short, random, unorganized venting.
I'm just feeling like being alone, being isolated. I don't really feel like talking all that much and it's getting stronger.
I don't feel depressed or really even angry. Just... Overwhelmed I guess and an overall ... Concern for lack of a better term for the future of the world.

So, on that kind of crazy note.
I'm kind of tired of thinking or feeling.

It was an astro question but I decided I don't care.

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PisceanDream
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posted October 30, 2014 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wanna start off by saying that I'm sorry that you feel that way. And I don't mean it in the typical, socially-appropriate way of "aww, I hope you get past this with time". I mean I'm sorry that this is a predicament you have to deal with and will most likely deal with for a long, long while (unless you manage to make having a cottage in the woods in Montana a reality). To be honest, I feel like this a lot of the time. I feel that my strong need to be authentic to my deepest needs have made me faker than fake simply because I constantly put my best foot forward for everything and everyone when in reality I just want to be left alone.

I'm one for solutions instead of well-intentioned pep-talk. A temporary remedy to this feeling, I suggest, is to just turn off your phone. Deactivate Facebook (if you have it). Shut down and give up on anything. Don't respond to anyone who goes out of your way to speak to you (including me, right now, if you don't want to). Stop forcing yourself to interact with people. Every once in a while I "disappear" for 2 weeks and I just sit in silence and isolation with myself. I avoid interaction and it feels so good afterwards because of how "underwhelmed" I feel.

As for racism, hypersexualization of almost everything, redundant unnecessary information about unnecessary privileged people who contribute NOTHING to humanity, media bullsh!t etc... I wrote a big paragraph about this but I deleted it because I think it might be too much and quite frankly, cyber-surveillance is something that has made me extremely paranoid (given my identity and beliefs). It's something I, generally, feel much more comfortable discussing with people in person only.

I have a simple question though (please don't force yourself to respond if you don't want to). In theory, nothing is stopping you from doing what you wish... Living in the woods... But in the practical world, obviously, that's not always the case. I think, at times, because we're so socially conditioned, we tend to think that what one can do in theory is impossible when it isn't. In reality, we're just libidinous beings, who become all too easily attached to routine and comfort. My question is: What's *really* stopping you from doing so? The answer should be nothing but it almost always never is.

Take care. I wish you well.

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DeepFreeze
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posted October 30, 2014 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you


Fear.... To be brutally honest with myself. I take routine and security to New levels. I admire people who can run off to LA and risk everything. (some old friends of mine have)

I fear failure. I've built success in this life. It's secure.
I don't want to end up homeless and hungry but it's a dream that I can work in chasing while satisfying my need for security.

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Ami Anne
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posted October 30, 2014 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is OK, DF. I was feeling pretty funky too.

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hypatia238
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posted October 30, 2014 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I'm just.... in a funk. It happens to me.

I'm feeling extremely antisocial - if that's the correct term. Which I don't care if it technically is or is not.
I'm just feeling like I want to be alone. I don't want to talk much to people. It came on pretty suddenly.
I'm tired of social rules, things that you do and don't do because of societies popular view of how you should behave. Political correctness. I'm tired of this racism crap. It deeply, DEEPLY disturbs me. It really angers me. I don't understand racism. (the current protests and etc. Things local and just all over - accusations etc)
I'm tired of what feels to me like an overall sexual obsession in people. I'm tired of seeing sexual things all over - in discussion topics, on tv, ads... used to sell us things. Articles about who the sexiest celebs are and all that crap.
I'm tired of money, and politics.... and greed. Flashiness.

Sorry... I could go on. I am just tired of being a part of all of this, being surrounded by it. I'm feeling like a square peg around a bunch of round holes.

An absolute DREAM for me would be to live out in the woods in Montana. Chill out there... enjoy nature, build things, have a garden in the spring/summer. All that stuff. Isolation. I would truly truly be happy with that.

I come here, and I get online. Sometimes I wonder why. If I had some land, a wooded area to myself, I could easily leave all of this behind. I'd be happy to be oblivious to what's going on outside of my box. I hate the media.

Anyway, sorry. Just a very short, random, unorganized venting.
I'm just feeling like being alone, being isolated. I don't really feel like talking all that much and it's getting stronger.
I don't feel depressed or really even angry. Just... Overwhelmed I guess and an overall ... Concern for lack of a better term for the future of the world.

So, on that kind of crazy note.
I'm kind of tired of thinking or feeling.

It was an astro question but I decided I don't care.


WELL SAID.

OMG you sound too similar to me and how I feel specially even more so lately.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I complete get how you feel. Its nice to see there are others like me. Sometimes I Think I must be an alien or something.....

I am glad you let it all out

Your needed to be heard.

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hypatia238
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posted October 30, 2014 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You sound EXACTLY like me! That is crazy. I know others feel like us too even though it is a minority.

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PisceanDream
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posted October 30, 2014 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get that. I get that it's fear. I'm assuming you're in your 30s? Anyway, not to sound so despicably cliche, but live while you're young. When you're physically and mentally fit, when you have the energy and power in you to build and explore and invest time into your relationship with nature. This all might be silly coming from a 20 year-old but I deeply fear not attaining what you seem to have already succeeded in. Securing your life, living in comfort and stability etc. Not doing so is my biggest fear yet I am so paralyzed that I don't even try. I fear failure so badly that I don't even want to attempt at success. Sad, I know. But you have it. The satisfaction of having already surpassed that fear by succeeding is all yours. I think, at this point, I would say: either plunge and do the unthinkable and make that move or find a way to meet both ends and learn to live with periodic isolation instead of permanent isolation. Maybe buy some land out there, build it, and go there on holidays and weekends if you can.

Either way, I hope you find your peace. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings.

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DeepFreeze
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posted October 30, 2014 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never expected this....
Never...

Thank you (everyone)

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PisceanDream
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posted October 30, 2014 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I never expected this....
Never...

Thank you (everyone)


Warmed my heart. You're more than welcome.

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deepseablues
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posted October 30, 2014 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes DeepFreeze you have basically spoken how I have felt for the majority of my life, especially about the oversexualization of everything (it really makes me sick!), the media, wanting to escape to the forest. You said it all, you are definitely not alone. I could leave it all behind too. I know lots of people who want to live that way too. We all just don't know how to get it started. I distanced myself from the media years ago and I love it when people say something about whatever movie or celebrity and I have no idea what they are talking about, I also love not having facebook etc. The only thing stopping me right now is money, I'm broke as hell and in debt. Woohoo! so stuck where I am for a while. But as much as I want to escape and need lots of alone time, I don't want to be totally alone! I love being in a partnership and miss my ex all the time even though there was so much crap we went through and I wish I had loving family as I don't really have any family, and I also wish for real community, I want to live on a eco-village with quiet like minders all working together to live sustainably and help the Earth. I've read over and over again that "no wo/man is an island," so I guess total and complete isolation is just unrealistic, we do need others from time to time to help us see differently, or share how they feel the same. Maybe we can all work together to make this world the way we would prefer. I hope so anyway.

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seekinglight
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posted October 30, 2014 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seekinglight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At some point of time in my life, I was caught up with the 'change the world' wind too, and become overly concerned with current issues and my contribution to this society. It lasted only a short while before I realized the only thing that needs to be changed is myself. The world has been running for eons, and will continue to, way beyond our current life time. Who are we to change to this big, ancient world? It is easy to point the fingers on the outside but really, it is our self-transformation that counts. Because once we do, others will too invariably as we are all interconnected, and by then, we would see the world through a matured lens and respond differently.

I feel the isolation too, but I have experience this all my life that it feels somehow self-imposed and funny enough, I am actually quite happy by myself. Not all the time, but certainly most. I always frequent the beach to release my grief, sitting by the rocky jetty for a whole day, I really found the sea breeze to be healing, at the very least it cools me down and keeps me chilled.

And being the odd and unconventional one, I am used to going against the trend and do things as I wish, which explains my disconnection to most people who would rather conform. Family presence has always been sporadic since young that I even lack that sense of community/cooperation (sth I needed to learn). A lone nomad/wanderer/hermit would fit me perfectly, but definitely not for the current society.

There are lots of things to be concerned about, but do these really matter in the bigger picture? My life lesson is on trusting that things are going the way it should be despite its uncertainty, injustice and all the craziness offered in this world. And eventually understanding that we are one with the environment, thus foregoing duality. There is no more the judge, the judged or the judgement, and as they say, the observer becomes the observed. That's with NN Aries conjunct karma in 12th running my life, hopefully it may show you a different perspective on your situation, though probably in my weird usual way.

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deepseablues
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posted October 30, 2014 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I agree with you here seekinglight, I used to be very upset with all the goings on in the world and wanted to change it very desperately and save it. But then I realized its not the world that needs changing or saving, its myself. I mean I want to save the Earth from humanity cause the Earth would be just fine without us, but I can't change humanity I can only change my own humanity and be the change I want to see. So that's what I mean by all working together to build the world we would prefer too, by working on ourselves and in harmony with others. I think one day a beautiful world will come to fruition, through this manner. As we work on ourselves and change ourselves we help change and grow the mass consciousness. Haha transformation and birthing oneself is a painful process, consciousness growing pains.

I love this quote.
"Don't try to change the world,
Try to love the world.
Lo, the world has been changed!
Changed forever."

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Randall
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posted November 01, 2014 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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DeepFreeze
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posted November 01, 2014 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel better now.

Thanks everyone!

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teasel
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posted November 01, 2014 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been feeling that way, too. I'm glad you're feeling better! Mine comes and goes.

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