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Ami Anne
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posted October 30, 2014 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use myself as one of my main lab rats. I have several Retrograde planets--Saturn, Neptune, Mercury and Chiron. I am a Gemini. We are thought to be shallow. I have a Cancer Moon which is not a shallow moon at all. However, I am a very deep person for a Gemini. I think the depth is a result of Retrograde planets.

Chiron Retrograde inspired my thinking along these lines. I have had a lot of pain. It is hard to know if I have had more pain than average person. However, I have had very deep pain. The nature of a Retrograde planet is that it winds and winds in a circular manner like a snail shell. It works in the manner of Hansel and Gretyl lost in the woods with only the bread crumbs to lead them. They must follow a winding path if they are to find their way out of the dense woods. That is the nature of a Retrograde planet. There is no native with a Chiron Retrograde who will be shallow. There is no native with a Chiron Retrograde who will not suffer the pain of the interior walk to the depths and, hopefully, make it out.

Mercury Retrograde makes for a unique way of thinking. One must dig down to the bottom of any subject before one can learn. One must build step by step in a, sometimes, annoying way. However, once one incorporates the knowledge, one can use it in very creative ways.

Neptune Retrograde makes for a very deeply spiritual person. If the native does not find God in a traditional way, he will look for God in non traditional ways. There seems to be an unstoppable quest to know why the native was born and for what purpose.

Saturn Retrograde makes for self doubt. If you see the most seemingly confident person and that person has Saturn Retrograde, you can know that there is a great deal of self doubt. These days, we call it low self esteem. Whatever the name, this native does not feel he is worthy enough. He feels a sense of inferiority. It can be overcome, though, as Saturn rewards persistence. Think of it this way. If you eat your vegetables, you will grow big muscles.

Uranus Retrograde struggles with his uniqueness. He feels he is weird. We all do, really. However, it is the strong person who can know that we all are weird and that our weirdness is part of what makes us beautiful. The Uranus Retrograde native may feel as if he is more of the "weird kid in the corner". He needs to embrace this and make it part of his allure and not his baggage.

Pluto Retrograde must work very hard to find his personal power. It will not come easily as in a Putin. It will come slowly and laboriously. That is the nature of the Retrograde planet. He will be forced to understanding the workings of power before he can claim his own.

Venus Retrograde may be the hardest of Retrograde planets. This native struggles with love. Love becomes a winding hallway such as in mazes of old. Think of an Englishwoman walking through a garden maze. It winds and turns in so many unexpected ways that she may despair of finding the exit. When Retrograde hits the planet of love, Venus, one has a difficult state of affairs. Love seems very, very complicated such that one may despair of finding one's way through it's maze.

I have not had enough experience with Jupiter Retrograde to write about it. However, I will add your responses if you provide them!

I cannot personally speak to the other Retrograde planets but I await your responses!

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My husband has: Mercury, Mars, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, Pluto, Juno and most of his little fun asteroids retrograde. Venus is also in his 12th House, but it is not retrograde. I think he has a vast untapped potential inside of him that he REFUSES to acknowledge. I think it's totally not recognized by him at all. He's like a crazy brilliant master of sorts, trapped in a box waiting to go direct!!! lol

He can be an extremely difficult person to be married to, we do not have and have never had an easy relationship, but he has NEVER had an easy relationship with a woman, ever. I have a lot of Leo and I want the romance BAD. He is not romantic, like it's stale there. Sex is not stale!! But romance and warmth, intimacy, its stale. Now you wonder how I could say sex is not stale with intimacy being stale. I have to get him there! And when he's there he is as warm and loving as one could be. He processes things very different. Everything is very internally focused so he is extremely selfish at times, but he does not mean to be that way.

To be honest he has a hard time relating to people. Sometimes he'll communicate something to me and I'm like "what the heck planet are you on?". I know this happens in many marriages but this is like to the umpth degree. He is totally NOT a socially inept person. He cannot socialize unless the situation is "just right". A lot of people really do not like him, he rubs them the wrong way for some reason. Actually people will just tell him without talking to him, "I dont think I'm going to like you".

Now, I know everyone says this about their husbands, but he is hands down one of the most beautiful people I have ever seen. This includes the movie stars, the models, all of it. He is striking, and he is definitely "different". Even men will comment on his looks. I get these comments constantly, he has a very DEEP soulful look about him, you could really get lost gazing at him!

Mars retrograde for him is hard on him. He comes across very "light" sometimes without meaning to or trying, and he works in the auto industry, and a lot of the guys in that industry are SUPER Mars types. So he was bullied for a long time at every job. It's not that he looks feminine or acts feminine, at all, but his Mars is not expressed in a way that a forward moving Mars is. You have to REALLY push him for him to be agressive, but he can pop when he gets there and you can't turn him off at that point, he will throw things, punch holes in the wall, etc. Thankfully that is rare, maybe happened 3 times in 10 years!! He is not assertive, and does not know how to be assertive, but he is an EXCELLENT sales person, EXCELLENT. He also is very focused and driven to what he wants, but applying drive it hard. It is a Cap Mars too, which is a VERY happy Mars usually. He has a very hard time initiating things, he needs help and needs someone to hold his hand. My sun trines his Mars, so we make a good fit there, however I do get annoyed that at times it's like he just depends on me to be his Mars. Now here is where I think Mars expresses: he has an obsession with cars/horsepower/speed/automobiles/etc. It is nearly like the vehicle expresses the mars for him, he straps himself in and he's feeling his mars. He runs his car in autocross and track events for fun.

Now Neptune retro - He is not spiritual at all, and his Neptune is retro in the 4th, trine Moon/Venus/Asc. Venus in the 12th conj Asc conj Moon in the 1st. I think this also speaks to his super dreamy look, I mean that when I say it, he would murder me if I posted a picture, but I wish I could! lol - He's actually an athiest, BUT he is very sweet with me and interested in all my topics. I also have retrograde Neptune in the 4th, but I am HIGHLY spiritual. He has no hard aspects to Neptune whatsoever. Now, he does have prophetic dreams, highly prophetic dreams. If he dreams something and tells me about it, it will happen. For example, he once dreamt that a branch from our Magnolia tree fell down. He woke up in the morning and said "I dreamed the branch fell from the tree", it freaked him out so much that we went outside to look and sure enough, the branch had fallen.

He has retrograde Saturn conjunct IC and retrograde Juno. He has a terrible relationship with his parents, who were both very hard on him and honestly very mean to him. They stifled him. His older sister was sent to an ivy league school but he was only allowed to go to a community college (his sister is 13 months older). There is a history of him being suppressed to the extreme by his mother. His mother did some things to him that I felt was just evil, just embarrassed him to no end, played with him emotionally. When he met and married me that ended because I can't stand the woman. It was like I, again, "shined light" on a lot of the messed up crap! Saturn squares his Asc/Venus/Moon - explains a lot.

Now Uranus retrograde and Mercury retrograde with the Mars retrograde, the man is seriously brilliant. I mean that whole heartedly. He is brililant. He has tested at a genius level. He is highly mechanical and I wish his parents would have nurtured his engineering mind, because he would be building rocket ships or something. He works on his cars with such passion, I've never seen anything like it. He's done everything to those cars without cracking a book, and I mean taking it down to nothing and rebuilding it. He is excellent and intuitive with machines. I mean that. He can take apart an engine or transmission, and put it back together with his eyes closed. I always say he's the rainman of cars but that makes him mad!! He really is a plethora of all kinds of physics, scientific, mechanical knowledge, and you would never know it. It's really insane!! People will beg him to come "listen" to their cars so he can diagnose it. He is excellent at diagnosing car problems by listening.

Now Uranus retrograde, he WAS totally the weird kid in the corner. I think it makes him very alluring. I loved that about him. When I first met him, he reminded me of James Dean. He was a rebel, but that mechanic kind of rebel. Total greaser, a latin american james dean. Super dreamy, so different.

I could go on and on so I should stop! But yes, I think this retrograde business makes him a very unique individual. I should mention he is also left handed, this is something he feels has impacted his personality and his life a lot. I really feel he is hardwired in a fascinating way.

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posted October 31, 2014 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReeseC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto retrograde and this is all accurate, though I am learning how to be more direct in dealing with the energy of these planets. I told myself I didn't want to go into my Saturn Return a few years from now not sticking up for myself, lacking faith in myself, and muffling my own voice.

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posted October 31, 2014 02:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mercury, Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune retrograde here.
Everything really resonates with me.

With regards to Mercury retrograde, I will just add that I always learn things very fast and it sticks. Uranus trines it.
I feel there is no restrictions in learning, I can learn anything as long as I really want to. Now, if I loose my passion about a topic, than it's pointless to even try to learn it...

About Jupiter retrograde: I am not unlucky, but the saying "you make your own luck" really applies to me. Sometimes good stuff just happens out of nowhere too.
I would love to hear more about it.

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posted October 31, 2014 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ReeseC:
I have Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto retrograde and this is all accurate, though I am learning how to be more direct in dealing with the energy of these planets. I told myself I didn't want to go into my Saturn Return a few years from now not sticking up for myself, lacking faith in myself, and muffling my own voice.

You will do it. I am right there with you, R!

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posted October 31, 2014 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@12th House

I will give you an example of what I mean by second hand stories. This is NOT to diss you at all, just to show that second hand stories cannot really be counted on to derive accurate Astro info.

He may be an atheist but he may be a great SEEKER and found this position from his seeking.

My guess is that he did.

Many atheists have searched through many religions etc and not found God to their satisfaction.

However, it is very much a part of their lives to be a seeker.

Do you see what I mean?

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posted October 31, 2014 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sunnya:
Mercury, Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune retrograde here.
Everything really resonates with me.

With regards to Mercury retrograde, I will just add that I always learn things very fast and it sticks. Uranus trines it.
I feel there is no restrictions in learning, I can learn anything as long as I really want to. Now, if I loose my passion about a topic, than it's pointless to even try to learn it...

About Jupiter retrograde: I am not unlucky, but the saying "you make your own luck" really applies to me. Sometimes good stuff just happens out of nowhere too.
I would love to hear more about it.


Great post. Thank you, S

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posted October 31, 2014 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for this article, Ami! I read countless articles on Mercury retro(haven't we all ), and I really love how you sum it up in four sentences. It's a great display of your own Mercury retro, you've learned a lot and now you can express it in 4 sentences.

I have all outer planets but Jupiter retro, and they're all in my First Quadrant: Pluto(r) H1, Saturn(r) H2, Uranus(r) & Neptune(r) H3. And all this squishing my poor Moon, the only other body in Q1.
That's kind of difficult, as this strange impersonal energy forms such a vital part of my identity.

Of the big asteroids, I have Juno & Vesta retro.
I agree that Venus rx might be the hardest one, as it's so rare and it puts questions and doubt into an energy that likes affirmation and admiration.

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posted October 31, 2014 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank YOU for appreciating it, L!

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posted October 31, 2014 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
@12th House

I will give you an example of what I mean by second hand stories. This is NOT to diss you at all, just to show that second hand stories cannot really be counted on to derive accurate Astro info.

He may be an atheist but he may be a great SEEKER and found this position from his seeking.

My guess is that he did.

Many atheists have searched through many religions etc and not found God to their satisfaction.

However, it is very much a part of their lives to be a seeker.

Do you see what I mean?



Hm, I'm not following. I am not understanding how second hand stories cannot be counted on for accurate Astrology information. Lets say, my grandmother is giving me information about my grandfather, I can make connections about my grandfather based on his chart & her stories. It would be unfair to discredit her recollection of him as a basis for interpreting astrology. I think any story is a resource for further our understanding astrological science. Discrediting second hand stories for astrological information, would then discount anything people say in reference to their observations of another person, "My friend has this aspect and she does XYZ" or "My dad has this planet in retrograde and he always does blah blah" - then it would all be discounted. Hopefully that makes sense!

Or maybe I am just not understanding what you mean? My sense is that you were preferring answers to come strictly from people who have these aspects, as it would be difficult for the individual who does not hold these aspects to explain exactly how it feels. If that was what you meant, then I can only speak for a retrograde Jupiter and Neptune. However I do also hold the belief that it is really hard for us to interpret ourselves, well for me at least. I can sum up someone else MUCH easier than myself, astrologically speaking (heck in other areas of life too!).

The hubs comes from a very scientific/physics, related perspective. He has a very wonderful understanding of the universe from a scientific perspective, based on mathematics and theory. I would say from his personal accounts, from my long drawn out conversations with him, and my observation of him, he has never been one to necessarily put energy into actively "seeking" something that explains it all, or "seek" outside of himself. Now that is not to say when we have our long conversations on the matter, that he does not find a lot of interest in what I say, or doesn't receive the information with a bit of enthusiasm. I just have not personally seen him make an effort to "seek" in a way that many "seekers" have. He really found this position of atheism, based on his studies of science and his understanding of quantum physics. It just makes sense to him I guess?

However "religion" to me is less Neptune's realm or Neptune's influence, and more Jupiter/9th House, since the 9th House rules religion and philosophy. Religion is a construct by mankind to explain the unexplainable, and to provide a means/tools/text/actions/direction by which one can connect and commune with God. It serves a very wonderful and intricate purpose on this planet! I would dare say Neptune houses much of the "information" that the 9th House attempts to explain from it's Jupiter-ish "eagle eye view", the higher self. Where the 9th house rules the super-conscious or higher self, Neptune/12th rules the collective conscious that the super-conscious is connected to, the source form which the super-conscious mind recieves it's information. Even seeking in itself is a Jupiter concept, the act of seeking is what birthed Philosophy, Religion, etc. Higher education and travel is the pursuit of seeking alternate perspectives or places.

The definition of atheism is a belief that there is not a God. I would say it's less that they haven't found God satisfactory, because that still aknowledges God exists and that most attempts to explain "God/Source" is just not to their liking. To an athiest there is no concept of source/God/etc, they just don't even acknowledge one exists, there is no higher power no higher "thing". Existence, the universe, mankind, just is what it is to them. Many atheists have always felt this way (like my husband or a close friend of mine), some have found this position after years practicing religion, some (like my sister) have come to atheism after religious trauma, but even my sister has never once expressed a desire to understand a "God" or higher power (which I feel has its roots in her trauma). Our mother is a Minister too! Ha! Now if I have come across as atheist, I am not, but I am also not religious

I hope my statements have not offended in any way, because that is most certainly not my intention! I write with the upmost respect to any position or opinion. My intention is really just to share my observations & perspective, that is all!

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posted October 31, 2014 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your sweet words. I am glad you did not take what *I* said with disrespect either.

I will come back and try to explain what I mean about how *I* gather data.

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posted October 31, 2014 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess to further explain the Neptune thing. My husband's relationship with the collective consciousness would be different than others. He took a different route of this energy.

Neptune's placements to me would be our direct interaction with the collective consciousness, the web. Things in our chart may trigger the desire to seek this out, or may influence the way we connect with this "information" or "energy".

For example, someone who has Neptune strong in their chart may be very psychic, dreamy, but they could have no desire to seek anything, or to explain anything. Like naturally "tuned in" and "gifted people", but they may make no effort to connect with or seek. They just have a direct phone line in to the collective consciousness. If that makes sense.....

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posted October 31, 2014 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12th_House_Gal:
I guess to further explain the Neptune thing. My husband's relationship with the collective consciousness would be different than others. He took a different route of this energy.

Neptune's placements to me would be our direct interaction with the collective consciousness, the web. Things in our chart may trigger the desire to seek this out, or may influence the way we connect with this "information" or "energy".

For example, someone who has Neptune strong in their chart may be very psychic, dreamy, but they could have no desire to seek anything, or to explain anything. Like naturally "tuned in" and "gifted people", but they may make no effort to connect with or seek. They just have a direct phone line in to the collective consciousness. If that makes sense.....


This would be my point. Does your husband CARE to "be spiritual" in his own way? I would think he does based on neptune Retro.

One cannot presume that because he is an atheist that he is not a deep seeker and just end up with atheism LOL

I hope you know what I mean

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posted October 31, 2014 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have chiron retrograde. I do feel I suffer more than not; I see life as a constant struggle.

I also have mercury retro.

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posted October 31, 2014 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I have chiron retrograde. I do feel I suffer more than not; I see life as a constant struggle.

I also have mercury retro.



I really think the depth of pain in Chiron Retro is worse.

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posted October 31, 2014 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is how I get my info. If *I* have the placement, it is direct such as Mercury Retro and Chiron Retro.

If I don't, I study about the placement, of course. Then, I ask about it in all the charts I do.

I, probably, have studied a thousand charts lol

I come to theories about it.

If I have 100 people with the same experience, I will take it as a "fact"

If I have one person who tells me that they know someone who is NOT like this, I will exclude that.

If, on the other hand, 50 people tell me the same thing, I will look to see what happened.

Perhaps, the orb was a factor. Perhaps, closer orbs react in a different way than wider ones.

Perhaps, there are other mitigating factors in the Moon or other planets.

Some people will get offended when they tell me that they had a parent or grandparent with this placement and they were not like this.

I do not accept these stories as part of my working theories unless many, many people came to me with the same story.

Then, I would look to modify my working theory.

That is how I do it lol

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posted October 31, 2014 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This would be my point. Does your husband CARE to "be spiritual" in his own way? I would think he does based on neptune Retro.

One cannot presume that because he is an atheist that he is not a deep seeker and just end up with atheism LOL

I hope you know what I mean


Yes now I do!

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posted October 31, 2014 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Cool! xx

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posted October 31, 2014 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ungumuda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh this is great. I'm just looking for insight regarding retrograde planets, your timing is perfect Ami Anne

I have retro saturn, uranus, neptune, and pluto and I think they're pretty accurate. I read that retrograde planet means that the planet person feel the energy inward rather than outward, so that make the person more introspective.

Do you think its also trus for asteroid? I have retro juno

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Originally posted by ungumuda:
oh this is great. I'm just looking for insight regarding retrograde planets, your timing is perfect Ami Anne

I have retro saturn, uranus, neptune, and pluto and I think they're pretty accurate. I read that retrograde planet means that the planet person feel the energy inward rather than outward, so that make the person more introspective.

Do you think its also trus for asteroid? I have retro juno



Yes, I think the Asteroids work the same way and I am so happy this article was helpful to you, U!

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All I know is that the people I've met with a ton of retrogrades are very interesting people to get to know. Outsiders almost, but in a way that I like.

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You need to scroll down to the end for MIKKHAIL. He resonates with me, but I do not have so many retrograde planets.

http://gregoryrozek.com/en/retrogradeplanets/

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I think I too have a lot of the retrograde planets that you've mentioned. I think I've also got quite a few challenging planetary aspects and a number of planets in different elements.
Life has been far from easy (emotionally), and I'm glad you've been able to shed some light on the reasons.

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Originally posted by ikja:
I think I too have a lot of the retrograde planets that you've mentioned. I think I've also got quite a few challenging planetary aspects and a number of planets in different elements.
Life has been far from easy (emotionally), and I'm glad you've been able to shed some light on the reasons.


Thank you, I!

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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted November 01, 2014 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:
All I know is that the people I've met with a ton of retrogrades are very interesting people to get to know. Outsiders almost, but in a way that I like.


How so? Outsiders,Lonake?

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