posted November 03, 2014 12:45 PM            

So I know there is the T-Square, the Kite, the Hammer and so on.. I would ask if the Pentagram is also somethink like this..

What I came to thought last night is that it is facing down, Like the Lucyfer Star and Down under there is Uranus(Lucifer) conjuct Lilith (they say Lilith married the Satan xD)

So do you find this interesting? Is it like a hidden something within this star that needs to be trigeret? (I read Quincux works someway like this)

posted November 03, 2014 01:02 PM            

Ancient Chinese medicine associates it with the 5 elements: Wood, Water, Fire, Metal, Earth

The Observer so wonderfully pointed out to me yesterday, that the pentagram is the map of the human body. The head, two arms, two legs.

So again, the pentagram is really a very misunderstood symbol. I would try to erase that preprogramming about this symbol from your mind and do some research on what it means.

Additionally, a quintux is when two planets of different elements and modalities make a connection. For example, you have Pluto in Scorpio Quintux Part of Fortune in Gemini. Scorpio is Fixed Water, Gemini is Mutable Air.

Additionally, I would not count it as a real "pentagram" because of the angle with your Vertex/Moon. I don't know though, not everyone may agree with me, I just think that open point does not quite solidify this pentagram structure. This is not one planet creating a quintux with Jupiter and then Pluto, it's not really a "point" of the star or pentagram. It's kind of an "open point". So their midpoint may in fact be the point. Again, although that is present, I would not worry about it entirely too much, especially since there are some mathematical points involved. Now if you have transits that cross these mathematical points (Vertex/POF) that may cause an effect. If you have a planet transit that midpoint of the two planets I just mentioned, that may create some new energy for you to deal with.

It is simply that you have several Quintux's in your chart between either mathematical points (Vertex, Part of Fortune) and planets, or between the bodies themselves.

Quintux's can be awkward energies to deal with, because the two planets are just coming from very different energetic perspectives. The way one operates is just very different from another. So the chart holder needs to just aknowledge how these two energies work.

posted November 03, 2014 01:15 PM            

Yeah I know that side with the Moon and the Vertex it is not perfect.
So for sure this has to do with my dreamy imaginative Moon in Pieces like you say.
And what I imagine for that is that the Pentagram is opened to that side.
I think the opened Pentagram has also something to do with the "Bad Pentagram"
In the beginning of Faust this openened Pentagram and the need to close it plays a big role.

posted November 03, 2014 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by 12th_House_Gal:
^^ Ahh! Elaborate on this Faust & the open pentagram! I haven't heard about this before and would love to know more!!

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So the story goes like this:
Faust is kind of is disapointed with his life with the world, he has studied phylosophy, theologie, medicine.. and he says he know as much as he knew before.
So he appels for magic, he succes to get in contact with an Earth Spirit, he gets overhelmt with the presence of the spirit and the only think the Spirit says is: "You are like the spirit thou canst comprehend, not me!"

After a Walk around he returns to his Studyroom followed by a Poodle that was following him.
The Deep Night that has come by give his Soul relieve.
He tries to find enlightment by conituing with his Work, translating the Bible into the German. So he starts: "In the beginning was the Word", no he thinks, "I cant rate "Word" that high, maybe "sence" or "force"
No! "In the beginning was the deed."

So in this moment the poodle growls, and turns into a big shadow with red eyes and terrible teth. Faust realyses that thats not a Poodle and tries to overcome it with magical words, but only with the holy cross it has effect. Methisto is forced to show his real identidy. But he is traped inside because, Faust has drawn the Microcosmos Symbol on the threshold Mephisto entered (Mephisto could not leave throug the window or anywere eles because it is a law of the Spirits to leave where they have entered.)

They have some talk:
Mephisto, as he himself admits is "a part of that force which always wants evil and always does good."(this was translator, maybe that he wants evil but ends up doing good) "I am the spirit that denies ... So is it all that you call sin, destruction, just evil, my proper element."

But as Mephisto is himself his helpers soon let Faust into a deepsleep and the rats gnaw a corner of the pentagram open, so Mephisto is free and can leave.

When Faust wakes up he wonders if it was a dream but, Mephisto knocks on the door.
Mephisto is back to the point - now as a free, not as a captive devil. Thus, for the good pact with close fist, long has the particular knowledge disgusted him and now he wants to dive into the depths of sensuality and of the sences itself.

So there is the Pact with the Devil.

I believe The Pentagram is sort of a protection, Mephisto could not enter with the Pentagram on the threeshold, he could only enter because he was invided in form of a Poodle. And he had to open The Pentagram befor he could leave, So I believe the opened Pentagram is where he can enter and leave whenever he wants.

posted November 03, 2014 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by 12th_House_Gal:
And it's involving Vertex (fated point) with the Moon. The midpoint of these two is going to be where this "closes" to further investigate what you are onto!!

That midpoint is also kind of in conjunction to your DC, interesting. So the closing of this Pentagram, is playing on a theme of "Self (ASC) and Other (DSC)"

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Oh yes, I did not take the midpoint into consideration, and I do have a issue with me and with the others. I have difficulties in beeing social, I always think I am better than others..