posted November 06, 2014 08:01 PM              

He is altogether quite an interesting character and very easy on the eyes, LOL! As much as I was attracted to him, I rejected his advances for many reasons that had nothing to do with his personality, preferences, or appearance.

posted November 06, 2014 08:20 PM            

I'm open to it but don't really "need" it the way some do. I could give detailed info on one guy's chart who is polyamorous but he wasn't for much of his life and it never even occurred to him to think along those lines until he unexpectedly found himself in one and decided it was for him.

But for real strongly inclined polaymorists there's Dossie Easton (b. February 26, 1944) who is a major voice in polyamory and "sex positive feminism." I'd say her chart is the place to look for major markers. Unfortunately I can't give you the time or place of her birth.

And I never read this but it sounds like something you'd love to get (I'd like to read it one day myself but I have so much to read already):
http://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Polyamory-Becoming-Tribe-Hearts/dp/0738707627

It has astrological info related to it, and this was in one of the reviews:

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Concise, thorough explanation of how to set up composite astrology charts for multiples - this was something I have always wondered about, and this was the first time I have seen it discussed

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posted November 06, 2014 09:22 PM              

Also, I'm surprised there's a book on polyamory that involves astrology as well. Super cool!

posted November 06, 2014 09:39 PM            

Rising Sign is in 10 Degrees Cancer

Sun is in 01 Degrees Libra (Virgo cusp, as are all Libra placements on a cusp)
Mercury is in 11 Degrees Libra
Venus is in 01 Degrees Virgo (Leo cusp)
Moon is in 09 Degrees Pisces (Aqua cusp)
Jupiter is in 13 Degrees Libra
Saturn is in 07 Degrees Taurus (Aries cusp)
Uranus is in 04 Degrees Libra (I'd guess this is a major marker for why he'd eventually embrace polyamory, especially mixed with his other Libra)
Neptune is in 26 Degrees Scorpio
Pluto is in 25 Degrees Virgo

N. Node is in 21 Degrees Pisces.

posted November 07, 2014 03:38 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Since it's rare and society strongly discourages it you won't find many examples of it.....

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I'm not exactly sure it's "rare". It's probably just hasn't been openly discussed or defined. A man* with a wife and a mistress is nothing new. They just didn't call it "polyamory".

*mostly men. I'm sure women too. But you know what i mean.

posted November 07, 2014 05:21 AM            

It's probably important to note that I have no gender preference. I just happened to fall in love with a male that identifies as male.

So pansexual & poly here, checking in.

What things in my chart point to this?

Maybe Uranus opposite MC? I also have Sun sextile Uranus & Uranus square my Asc.

Not sure what else it could be.

posted November 07, 2014 06:18 AM              

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I'm not exactly sure it's "rare". It's probably just hasn't been openly discussed or defined. A man* with a wife and a mistress is nothing new. They just didn't call it "polyamory".

*mostly men. I'm sure women too. But you know what i mean.

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Lol exactly. And if you're a Mormon it's called "polygamy" and it's ordained by God. Unless you're a woman of course.

posted November 07, 2014 06:35 AM            

I have Uranus op MC
Uranus trine Sun
Uranus sextile Mars, Asc
Uranus sq Venus
Pluto sq Moon (5H)

Houses involved are 2, 3, 5, 8, 11. Plus asc.

I have an all cardinal cross with sun, venus, mercury, ceres, moon and lilith.

I am not poly-anything except a poly-cheater perhaps. Maybe I should just accept this side about me and step out of closet..

I am just super impulsive and it takes such a willpower almost unknown to mankind to stop myself once an idea, human, object enters my brain.

posted November 07, 2014 06:38 AM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Lol exactly. And if you're a Mormon it's called "polygamy" and it's ordained by God. Unless you're a woman of course.

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Originally posted by Geeky:
I am poly by nature, but I married a monogamous man. He was worth it to me & I made a compromise to keep him. Some people won't agree that I should compromise, but he accepts everything else about me and it ain't all rosey & peachy (or in other words, it takes a special dude to put up with me!).

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All successful marriage require compromise, give and take, acceptance, etc.

As for astrological aspects of this.... Francois Mittrand was famous for having a wife and a mistress(es).

What I find interesting about Astrotheme is that it lists other who have some of the same aspects.

Jaques Chirac, Russel Crow and Silvio Berlusconi share some aspects with him. Though not as many as you'd think. It would be interesting to look deeper into this feature of Astrotheme. I only noticed it recently.

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Originally posted by charlie:
To chime in:

I have Uranus op MC
Uranus trine Sun
Uranus sextile Mars, Asc
Uranus sq Venus
Pluto sq Moon (5H)

Houses involved are 2, 3, 5, 8, 11. Plus asc.

I have an all cardinal cross with sun, venus, mercury, ceres, moon and lilith.

I am not poly-anything except a poly-cheater perhaps. Maybe I should just accept this side about me and step out of closet..

I am just super impulsive and it takes such a willpower almost unknown to mankind to stop myself once an idea, human, object enters my brain.

So difference is being out of closet and in closet.

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Poly-cheater! lol.

If you really are like that and you want a serious emotional/companion/etc relationship with someone I think you might want to do as you say and "step out of the closet". I'll bet there are more people that would be OK with this than you think. Though it might take work to find the right one. Of course, once you have "permission", you might find it loses all the fun.

posted November 07, 2014 06:49 AM              

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Ah. Yes. Or muslim

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True that. But let's not forget most Muslim countries were colonized and heavily influences by Christian nations to begin with.

posted November 07, 2014 06:57 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Poly-cheater! lol. Though it might take work to find the right one. Of course, once you have "permission", you might find it loses all the fun.

Sometimes we just have to accept who we are and work with that.

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Thing is I don't even consider it "fun"! I just do it. To pro-create. Like a man almost. It's just sex and then I get bored and move on.

posted November 07, 2014 10:46 AM              

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
The guy is an occultist who doesn't like his birthday given out as he feels those who know it can gain power over him (put simply) so I won't actually give his chart. That said, I don't think he'd mind if I shared this:

Rising Sign is in 10 Degrees Cancer

Sun is in 01 Degrees Libra (Virgo cusp, as are all Libra placements on a cusp)
Mercury is in 11 Degrees Libra
Venus is in 01 Degrees Virgo (Leo cusp)
Moon is in 09 Degrees Pisces (Aqua cusp)
Jupiter is in 13 Degrees Libra
Saturn is in 07 Degrees Taurus (Aries cusp)
Uranus is in 04 Degrees Libra (I'd guess this is a major marker for why he'd eventually embrace polyamory, especially mixed with his other Libra)
Neptune is in 26 Degrees Scorpio
Pluto is in 25 Degrees Virgo

N. Node is in 21 Degrees Pisces.

Also, Leo Eros.

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posted November 07, 2014 10:49 AM              

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I'm not exactly sure it's "rare". It's probably just hasn't been openly discussed or defined. A man* with a wife and a mistress is nothing new. They just didn't call it "polyamory".

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posted November 07, 2014 11:22 AM              

I think it would be more accurate to say, within the modernist/post-modernist framework, that, through colonization, the West was attempting to indoctrinate into Arab societies Western ideologies, culture, language, and ideals; all the while, the main agenda was the exploitation of their resources for economic prosperity. They couldn't give a rats a$$ what those "indigenous, base, barbaric animals" believed.

I just wanted to clarify this as both a Muslim and an Arab... I think there is enough misinformation in this world about Muslim identity and Arab identity, as concepts both mutually exclusive and conjoined.

posted November 07, 2014 11:43 AM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
@Geeky: What's going on with your Venus?

@Charlie: Poly-cheater!!!! I tip my hat to you for your honesty. I have a question for you... Is there something about the thrill of poly-cheating that you don't think would appeal to you if it took a more consensual form as you'd see in polyamory?

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You can call it poly-whatever, I would still get bored to tears-quickly UNLESS person is so intriguing that I can't see myself EVER being able to figure him or her out. There is no thrill for me in cheating. I do it to....ummm..pollinate.

Perhaps I have a sense of ideal that one human will someday captivate me for decades but in all honesty I know that won't happen and I also know boredom will be a long, uphill battle for me. But there's no thrill in it. Just a deeply rooted need to roam.

posted November 07, 2014 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Right, but the wife isn't consenting? Polyamory isn't just having multiple lovers but also that all members involved are consenting. That would include that the wife also has a partner besides her spouse and everyone is aware and okay with it.

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By the mere fact that these women don't leave their husbands is consent.

My example of Francois Mitterand, his wife knew. She could have divorced him. But she didn't. They were married for 50 yrs or so. And that is the type of situation I'm talking about. Not new. Everyone just kept it to themselves.

There are no rules that say everyone in a "poly" relationship has to actually have more than one partner. You can allow your partner to others and not have them yourself (or vice versa).

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Originally posted by charlie:
Thing is I don't even consider it "fun"! I just do it. To pro-create. Like a man almost. It's just sex and then I get bored and move on.

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You can call it poly-whatever, I would still get bored to tears-quickly UNLESS person is so intriguing that I can't see myself EVER being able to figure him or her out. There is no thrill for me in cheating. I do it to....ummm..pollinate.

Perhaps I have a sense of ideal that one human will someday captivate me for decades but in all honesty I know that won't happen and I also know boredom will be a long, uphill battle for me. But there's no thrill in it. Just a deeply rooted need to roam.

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posted November 07, 2014 01:35 PM              

I'm not sure which part of the world you're from but I have seen women who have NOTHING but whatever their husband provides for them. Women who have nowhere to go if they leave their husbands. Women who will be thrown in the STREET if they choose to divorce. Women who will be SHAMED in their societies if they leave. Women whose burdened conscience is shot down to the ground with the thought of leaving their children motherless because their husbands WILL deprive them of ever seeing their kids again. Lack of epistemic and ontological agency does NOT MEAN CONSENT. You cannot generalize in such a way and posit a one-size-fits-all theory about women in situations like this. Historically, we have gone through WAY TOO MUCH sh*t to make reckless claims about women's agency.

Yes, Danielle was accepting of his lifestyle and to that she said: "This is life". Just because she was an example of someone who may have consented, it doesn't not mean that every other man who had a "mistress" had a consenting wife. The politics that plays into this is hefty when it involves men of "power". And even back then, in political theory, women were only keepers of the private sphere. They weren't even considered rational beings, let alone agents whose consent mattered. They had no business in what happened outside of their households and even if they knew, they lived with it because who would support them if they left? Just because a woman knows, it doesn't mean she's okay with it. It's called patriarchy.

Quote from a polyamory website:

"No. The thing that defines a polyamorous relationship is that everyone involved knows about, and agrees to, everyone else’s involvement.
If you are married, and you have a girlfriend that your wife doesn’t know about, or that your wife suspects but isn’t sure about, or that your wife knows about but isn’t happy with, you’re not poly, you’re cheating. Similarly, if you’re banging the milkman while your husband is out of town, you’re not poly, you’re cheating.
Polyamory is defined by informed consent of all the participants. Without it, it ain’t poly. If you can’t invite your lover over to Thanksgiving dinner with the rest of your family because you don’t want anyone to know what you’re doing, it probably ain’t poly."