posted November 18, 2019 09:18 AM            

But the poor Lass is in Aquarius. Normally Aqua Venus tends to be fairly detached and wanting to be friends just as much as lovers with their partners. I have some of that for sure, but with the very close Pluto trine, there is a more of a "all or nothing", intense, more attached, more sexual, more desiring full merging type vibe and flavor. I have also had powerful, transformative experiences in relation to close relationships, and especially partnerships. Not always easy either. Just because it's a trine, doesn't lessen, or mean the seeking for purification and conscious self awareness of Pluto disappears. (the close square from angular Scorpio Uranus doesn't help either).

Contrary to Libra Moon and Aqua Venus, my emotions are very deep, sensitive, and for lack of a better term, intense, and more water like (Neptune and Scorpio shading in contribute to this).

I don't have a particular strong or intense sex drive anymore, but when I said in the above that I'm more focused on sex than a typical Aqua Venus, it's more in the sense of desiring a complete merging with the partner (which the also very close Sag Neptune sextile to Venus supports, along with Pisces on the 8th and Neptune in the 5th). That kind of merging CAN happen during sex, if the focus is not on just body lust and getting off, but in really deep connection, feeling mutual Love, and psychic openness. This, unfortunately, takes two right ones together, to tango, and such connections ime are rare.

And when my sex drive is ignited by a person that I am very holistically attracted to and have that potential with, good lord...

Part of the reason why I am so hung up on a past person, besides her likely being my Twin Soul, is that we are both rare, direct reincarnations, and we had that kind of all level merging experience in that life and my Soul remembers that and longs for it. It's like being on molly with somebody you're already super close with, with extreme strong, conscious psychic awareness and physical sex all in one, but without any outside chemical inducement.

Materially, it's a shadow of the feeling we have when we merge with Source and the Whole. The pure joy, passion, and ecstasy that is experienced is truly heart and mind blowing.

posted November 18, 2019 09:22 AM            

According to an otherwise accurate professional sensitive/psychic, at some point my psychic awareness is going to be fully wide open. Like full telepathy and the whole 9 yards.

posted November 18, 2019 04:14 PM            

Scorpio placements tend to fall in my 4th or near my IC (unless they are really early), and if later also near the modern ruler (Uranus) of my Venus and 7th (in Scorpio). This combined with the very close Venus Pluto trine indicates a deeper attraction to women (less so men) with moderate to strong Scorpio and/or Pluto attunement.

posted November 18, 2019 05:35 PM            

Yes, that's the other word slapped around - "transformation."

"Transformation" like a vampire: IME and view must come always at the other person's expense.

But I'm Uranian, so different planet and maybe also different dimension

posted November 18, 2019 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Xodian -

Yes, that's the other word slapped around - "transformation."

"Transformation" like a vampire: IME and view must come always at the other person's expense.

But I'm Uranian, so different planet and maybe also different dimension

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With Venus trine Pluto? That isn't my experience.

posted November 19, 2019 01:03 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
its feels transformative but in a very positive way. it is still intense and sexual, but its just not the negative side of all that. the bright side of love seems to become deeper but in the best way possible.

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My Venus trine Pluto confirm this.

I have been transformed a lot in a positive way. I'm not jealous or possessive in a relationship, but intense and take relationship seriously.

posted November 19, 2019 02:35 AM            

But the generalities are consistent -- assuming all other chart factors are equal:

- Squares are driving and unrelenting, especially if the orb is relatively small, like 4° or less. The 'feel' in them is ambitious, urgent, obsessive, pushy, dysfunctional (prone to extremes, all or nothing) as it relates to Venus square Pluto. Its coloration is more foreboding, ominous and the person likely has issues of liebestod, abandonment, disappointment, betrayal, etc, stemming from prior lifetimes. These people often have a streak of misanthropy.

- Trines are flowing and allow variation within and without. The 'feel' in them is more one of integrated values of depth/power of love and affection, enduring, determined, and naturally capable of being an influence for lasting values, transformation as it relates to Venus trine Pluto. Its coloration is more one of an older soul, a person of creative feel or leadership who has learned moderation and commitment in prior lifetimes. These people are often lovers of humanity and will extend themselves to lift others up, even behind the scenes without credit.

Both aspects have great creative potential that is most often overlooked and left out of the conversation with Venus-Pluto aspects.

posted November 19, 2019 05:11 AM            

That's some wonderful distinction you've made there.

Thank you.

This is off topic, but for comparison and context, how would you perhaps describe Venus square/trine with the other 2 outer planets?

posted November 19, 2019 07:19 PM            

This means I end up being fairly quiet much of the time in social interactions, because while I can do "small talk", it's not something I enjoy or prefer.

As to the attracting and/or being attracted to more Plutonian and/or Scorpionic attuned people (especially women), this also seemed to increase when Pluto was in my 5th, which it's not anymore of late, but was for quite awhile.

posted November 20, 2019 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Kannon McAfee -

That's some wonderful distinction you've made there.

Thank you.

This is off topic, but for comparison and context, how would you perhaps describe Venus square/trine with the other 2 outer planets?

Or can you provide a link?

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Thank you.

Venus with Uranus

- Venus trine Uranus shows harmony between basic values and the liberation principle that encourages friendship and cooperation. It shows soul development has expanded the values and affections beyond the gates of familial and tribal concerns. It shows an enjoyment of the uniqueness of others, spontaneity of interaction, and openness of friendship to others regardless of superficial variances of personality, background, appearance, ethnicity, etc. The person can make friends easily and has a feel for authenticity. There is a basic understanding of the need for personal freedom and for individuals to act upon their own values.

- Venus square Uranus shows driving tension between basic values and the liberation principle that encourages experimentation and freedom from conventional norms. So there is a touch of rebellion in the person's values. The potential is great on the creative side of life (a Bohemian streak). A drive to experience attraction in a different way, to express affection uniquely, perhaps to the underdog. The person has difficulty understanding the common expectations and loyalties of intimate human reciprocation: a twist is often added, a turn (often away at least for a while). The tendency, if not aloof entirely to human intimacies, is to express admiration outwardly to others, but detach from expectation from others that get close to the heart.

Venus with Neptune

- Venus trine Neptune shows flow and harmony between the two principles of artfulness and affection. This indicates creative gifts that may be underestimated. There is an ability to see, appreciate, take in visually or sonically, to know by feel. There is greater than usual capacity for touch and tenderness, giving the gifts of understanding and compassion. An expectation of romance in life and an eye for how to dress up the ordinary in something special. The potential of this aspect is great, but requires some push to bring it into full expression because these planets are not energetic, but more passive and appreciative than other astrological energies.

- Venus square Neptune shows a driving tension between the principles of artfulness and affection. A highly sensitive person. There is great capacity to love, but they are easily hurt. A strong desire to create something beautiful, but confidence must be boosted constantly to get there. Idealism: high expectations with doubt one can live up to them. A preference for high romance or the mystical over the mundane. Disappointment in self or others carried over from past patterns in which the self-worth is fragile, in doubt; a degree of body dysmorphia is common, especially among the young and women. (Tendency to idealize feminiity.) There is trouble distinguishing authenticity from facade, a tendency to measure one's worth by the outer appearances or show of others.

posted November 22, 2019 11:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Thank you.

[b]Venus with Uranus

- Venus trine Uranus shows harmony between basic values and the liberation principle that encourages friendship and cooperation. It shows soul development has expanded the values and affections beyond the gates of familial and tribal concerns. It shows an enjoyment of the uniqueness of others, spontaneity of interaction, and openness of friendship to others regardless of superficial variances of personality, background, appearance, ethnicity, etc. The person can make friends easily and has a feel for authenticity. There is a basic understanding of the need for personal freedom and for individuals to act upon their own values.

- Venus square Uranus shows driving tension between basic values and the liberation principle that encourages experimentation and freedom from conventional norms. So there is a touch of rebellion in the person's values. The potential is great on the creative side of life (a Bohemian streak). A drive to experience attraction in a different way, to express affection uniquely, perhaps to the underdog. The person has difficulty understanding the common expectations and loyalties of intimate human reciprocation: a twist is often added, a turn (often away at least for a while). The tendency, if not aloof entirely to human intimacies, is to express admiration outwardly to others, but detach from expectation from others that get close to the heart.

Venus with Neptune

- Venus trine Neptune shows flow and harmony between the two principles of artfulness and affection. This indicates creative gifts that may be underestimated. There is an ability to see, appreciate, take in visually or sonically, to know by feel. There is greater than usual capacity for touch and tenderness, giving the gifts of understanding and compassion. An expectation of romance in life and an eye for how to dress up the ordinary in something special. The potential of this aspect is great, but requires some push to bring it into full expression because these planets are not energetic, but more passive and appreciative than other astrological energies.

- Venus square Neptune shows a driving tension between the principles of artfulness and affection. A highly sensitive person. There is great capacity to love, but they are easily hurt. A strong desire to create something beautiful, but confidence must be boosted constantly to get there. Idealism: high expectations with doubt one can live up to them. A preference for high romance or the mystical over the mundane. Disappointment in self or others carried over from past patterns in which the self-worth is fragile, in doubt; a degree of body dysmorphia is common, especially among the young and women. (Tendency to idealize feminiity.) There is trouble distinguishing authenticity from facade, a tendency to measure one's worth by the outer appearances or show of others.

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Wow.. thank you so much. These are all profound!

Lovely to get to that depth once in a while around here.

"There is an ability to see, appreciate, take in visually or sonically, to know by feel" - Wow