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Topic: how strong is an inconjunct aspect?
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hannaramaa
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posted November 14, 2014 01:05 AM
  
Is inconjunct a minor aspect like a Quintile or semi-square, something that isn't noticeable in one's personality? Or not?IP: Logged |
wheresthemoon
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posted November 14, 2014 09:50 AM
I don't think so. I notice them in people.IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues
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posted November 14, 2014 10:51 AM
Depending on the orb of course... I'd say it ranks at least with sextile in strength. It may seem inconsistent though because of the nature of the aspect.I had (have) sun inconjunct sun exact in synistry with my ex. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted November 14, 2014 04:59 PM
It's noticeable but not obvious. I have to sit down and analyze my life in order to go like... Yeah, that's the in conjunct speakingSesquiquadrate is another one IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 14, 2014 05:34 PM
STRONG but it must be close------------------
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Enneline
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posted November 14, 2014 05:40 PM
do 155 / 156 deg count?IP: Logged |
ungumuda
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posted November 14, 2014 07:18 PM
I have neptune inconjunct sun and I would say that the description for neptune/sun aspect fit me, but other people often don't see it. IP: Logged |
Delilah423
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posted November 14, 2014 07:42 PM
I think it's very strong, but I use tight orbs.IP: Logged |
Supreme cT
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posted November 14, 2014 07:43 PM
I have moon inconjunct mars and i relate to moon/mars in natal chart descriptions and even the exact descriptions for the inconjunct are pretty spot onIP: Logged |
Faith
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posted November 14, 2014 09:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Delilah423:
I think it's very strong, but I use tight orbs.
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hannaramaa
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posted November 14, 2014 11:31 PM
Ugh, orbs. I've never been able to memorize how to figure those out. Are those the little numbers in the boxes with the aspect symbol on the chart grid? Like if you were reading horary and saw it was making an applying aspect at 2 degrees, etc.?IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues
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posted November 15, 2014 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Ugh, orbs. I've never been able to memorize how to figure those out. Are those the little numbers in the boxes with the aspect symbol on the chart grid? Like if you were reading horary and saw it was making an applying aspect at 2 degrees, etc.?
Orb is simply "how far away from exact" am I willing to allow. For instance, if two planets were about 2° apart, you would consider those planets conjunct if you allowed a 3° orb (reasonable in my opinion). If you restricted it to a very tight 1° orb, then you would not consider them conjunct. IP: Logged |
bumblebee
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posted November 15, 2014 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by Enneline:
do 155 / 156 deg count?
No. Max 1 deg orb IP: Logged |
Iced8Ace
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posted November 15, 2014 05:45 PM
In synastry I use 1 degree. In natal, I use 2. My moon and mars quincunx at 2 degrees and I feel it. To me, it's very easy to notice the awkwardness between the two signs because it's what I need vs. what I crave. I think it also depends on what planets.IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted November 15, 2014 05:53 PM
But how could you possibly get an close orb when your planets are almost opposing??? My Mars is in Gemini at 9 degrees in the 12th house and my Pluto is in Scorpio at 14 degrees, in the 5th house. Walk me through it?IP: Logged |
florence
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posted November 15, 2014 06:26 PM
I tried to explain but I don't understand that either lolMy mercury is quincunx Uranus exact and I feel it strongly. It's almost like background noise to my chart. IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues
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posted November 15, 2014 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
But how could you possibly get an close orb when your planets are almost opposing??? My Mars is in Gemini at 9 degrees in the 12th house and my Pluto is in Scorpio at 14 degrees, in the 5th house. Walk me through it?
Mars Gemini 9°
Pluto Scorpio 14° If they were at the same degree in their respective signs, they would be 150° apart. (Example 9° Gem to 9° Sco) But the planet in Scorpio is 5° beyond that @14°Scorpio for a total of 155°. The planets are inconjunct if you allow an orb of 5° How big of an orb should you allow? Everyone has different opinions. I like 3° for a strongly felt aspect, maybe out to 5° for a weakly felt one.
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Faith
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posted November 15, 2014 10:06 PM
From astrotheme ~ I was curious about the orbs they use, myself: quote:
In natal charts, usually accepted orbs (exactness of aspect) are 9 to 10 degrees for oppositions and conjunctions, 7 to 9 degrees for trines and squares, 4 to 6 degrees for sextiles, 2 degrees for quincunxes and sesqui-squares, around 1 degree for semi-sextiles and semi-squares, and often 0.5 to 1 degree for quintiles and their family (semi-quintiles and bi-quintiles).Much smaller orbs are used in forecasting and synastry works because these techniques require that aspects be more exact if they are to be efficient. In our programs, we take 11 aspects: the Conjunction, the Opposition, the Trine, the Sextile, the Square, the Semi-Sextile, the Semi-Square, the Sesqui-Square, the Quincunx, the Quintile, and the Bi-Quintile. With the search by astrological aspects tool, you can find hundreds of thousands examples of aspects, available in the horoscopes of the Astrotheme Database. Orbs used for natal charts Conjunction: 10.8
Opposition: 10.0
Trine: 8.3
Square: 7.5
Sextile: 5.7
Quincunx: 2.2
Semi-sextile: 1.5
Semi-square: 2.5
Sesqui-square: 2.5
Quintile: 1.0
Bi-quintile: 1.0
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology_aspects.php When I first got into astrology, I would say that my moon was quincunx Pluto, not understanding that the orb was too wide. 18 Pisces moon
11 Libra Pluto ^^ 7 degree orb But my sun is almost exactly quincunx (or inconjunct) Mars: 15.50 Cap sun
16.01 Gem Mars ^^ Orb of less than one degree, and that is pretty obvious in my personality. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted November 15, 2014 10:12 PM
So to reiterate what Gemini Blues was saying... quote:
Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Ugh, orbs. I've never been able to memorize how to figure those out. Are those the little numbers in the boxes with the aspect symbol on the chart grid? Like if you were reading horary and saw it was making an applying aspect at 2 degrees, etc.?
It's not that complicated, it's just how far off the beam you are. So a square is 90 degrees. If your planets are exactly 90 degrees apart, you can say they are square with zero orb. If they are 89 or 91 degrees apart, you can mention there is "one degree orb"-- translated: It is one degree away from being a perfect 90 degree square. The minor aspects have smaller orbs. Semisquare is 45 degrees with a 2.5 orb according to the above chart. If your planets are 42.2 to 47.5 degrees apart, you can say they are semisquare, at least according to astrotheme's standards. If they are 42 or 48 degrees apart, they don't form an aspect. IP: Logged |
Astrotobe
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posted November 15, 2014 11:07 PM
No it isnt minor at all. Its in the realm of conjunct, square, trineIP: Logged |
Comatoes
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posted November 16, 2014 01:51 AM
quote:
Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Is inconjunct a minor aspect like a Quintile or semi-square, something that isn't noticeable in one's personality? Or not?
Strong, the Quincunx is seen as a major aspect by many newer astrologers. I think it becomes stronger when it's applying or partile/same degree/exact. An applying orb is powerful, the reason I say this is because I have a couple major aspects that are 8-9 wide orb but since they're applying I feel them strongly, if you feel the aspect within 10 degrees for Ptolemaic aspects, it's valid. Minor aspects you should tighten orbs. Anything over 10 degrees is too wide for me personally.
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Mercurian Intellect
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posted November 16, 2014 04:18 AM
It's technically considered a minor aspect, but it should be treated as a major aspect, as it is a more intense aspect.My personal orb rule: 10 Degrees
-Conjunctions 8 Degrees
-Squares
-Trines
-Oppositions 5 Degrees
-Sextiles (unless the luminaries are involved, in this case, it's a 6 orb). 2 Degrees
-Quincunx
-Semi-sextile 1 Degree
-Any other aspect (IMO, if any orbs go over the designated max orb and not too far off it like 8.20 - 8.30 degree range or something (using an 8 orb for example), it can still be counted as an aspect. It's not a strict/exact boundary with orbs, but rather has a max orb to set as a way to mark a point in an aspect's general potency range. Meaning, it's not like they're set in stone in that once the orb hits a certain minute (like an 8.01 orb) it magically cannot be an aspect anymore because it went over a minute, as that doesn't really make sense... especially when it comes to something as easily manipulated/fluid as aspects). IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted November 16, 2014 12:31 PM
^ Yeah I think we all use our own orb rules. Mine have been quite basic lately: 6 orb for all major aspects (8 orb for luminaries); 4 orb for sextiles; 2 orb for other minor aspects and asteroids. I will often include the orb when I mention an aspect so a reader can get a better sense of the importance of the aspect, based on their own criteria. (Especially if it's an exact aspect in my natal chart that I am proud of.  I get a kick out of saying "Mars sextile Jupiter ZERO orb," as in "top that!" LOL) IP: Logged |
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