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TrueBlu
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posted November 17, 2014 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueBlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Everyone, this is my first post!

Uranus conjunct Mercury in the 11th house (in Scorpio) opposite Chiron (rx) in the 5th house (in Taurus). Uranus and Mercury are only 3 degrees apart from each other.

I've read that Mercury can also represent children and the 11th house does as well (step children, foster, etc.). Uranus can bring perversion and dabbling in taboos. With this being under the sexual charge of Scorpio, could this be an indicator of someone having sexual attraction to children?

I have a male friend in his 30's with this placement who really likes rough housing and being around kids. More so than most men, I think. It's hard to tell if he has an attraction, or just has an innocent affinity with children.

He's often a big kid himself and also jokes around adults. Maybe because he's a Sagittarius sun and Gemini moon?

He also suffered a few miscarriages in his last marriage that he still mourns years after that fact. This also could be an explanation. Also, he suffered from a verbally and physically abusive childhood (Chiron?).

Your thoughts?

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Aries23Degrees
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posted November 17, 2014 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you suspect your friend of having such feelings?

Well,Gemini Moon is the eternal child and coupled with Sag- this can be a very playful combo.

But it also depends on the houses that each occupy.As 5th house placements suggest a very playful disposition.Whilst 10th house placements tend to make the nature more serious.

But I really would caution against drawing conclusions based solely on chart positions.

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posted November 17, 2014 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

But I really would caution against drawing conclusions based solely on chart positions.


Yep!

Op... You know you could look on the sex offender registry and start plugging in charts and looking for patterns. Plus you'd know what the offense was. I think... Is been a while since I looked.
Heck I might if I get bored.
Could be very interesting!

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sis
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posted November 17, 2014 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
moon conjunct mars - a guy who was into child pornography had this aspect..

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Odette
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posted November 17, 2014 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well some people are great with kids and animals.. and enjoy being playful.
The fact that he is being playful in itself.. shouldn't indicate this, neither does his Mercury placement.

But when you mention rough housing... what sorts of things does he do? Do you think he goes too far with that?
Are the kids annoyed by the behaviour - or are they having fun?

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TrueBlu
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posted November 17, 2014 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueBlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
Well some people are great with kids and animals.. and enjoy being playful.
The fact that he is being playful in itself.. shouldn't indicate this, neither does his Mercury placement.

But when you mention rough housing... what sorts of things does he do? Do you think he goes too far with that?
Are the kids annoyed by the behavior - or are they having fun?


Play wrestling and tickling... boys and girls ambush and jump on him and they get tickled. Most of the time, the kids love it! Once, he did tickle his step niece after she seemed tired and had enough. He may have trouble with social cues and boundaries. He acknowledged not being well socialized growing up. I noticed he likes to rough house with adults, too but in different ways: martial arts sparing, demonstrating fighting techniques, etc. Anything physical and rigorous.

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posted November 17, 2014 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueBlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Do you suspect your friend of having such feelings?

Well,Gemini Moon is the eternal child and coupled with Sag- this can be a very playful combo.

But it also depends on the houses that each occupy.As 5th house placements suggest a very playful disposition.Whilst 10th house placements tend to make the nature more serious.

But I really would caution against drawing conclusions based solely on chart positions.


Agreed. I do have suspicions once in a while. Maybe it could be my own bias against men. I'm not used to them taking interest in children. And yes, he is extremely playful... with everybody! A trickster.

FYI: His sun is in the 12th house and moon is in the 6th opposite each other.
Venus (Capricorn) in the 1st house and Mars (Virgo) in the 9th... Saturn and Jupiter are also in the 9th, if that means anything.

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posted November 17, 2014 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueBlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sis:
moon conjunct mars - a guy who was into child pornography had this aspect..

YIKES!

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TrueBlu
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posted November 17, 2014 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueBlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Yep!

Op... You know you could look on the sex offender registry and start plugging in charts and looking for patterns. Plus you'd know what the offense was. I think... Is been a while since I looked.
Heck I might if I get bored.
Could be very interesting!


I've been reading online from different sources that a Venus in Gemini in the 5th house can be an indicator, especially if it's badly aspected.
There was one article I came across last night by an astrologer who sampled 25 charts of known pedophiles (John Wayne Gayce, etc.) and she went in depth with what they all had in common. It was too much for me to follow since I'm a novice at best. My friend didn't seem to have any of the calculations that I skimmed through (and could understand). I wish I kept the link, if I find it, I'll be sure to post!

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posted November 17, 2014 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mareaire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i don't think that placement in and of itself would indicate pedophilia. Nor would him being playful or him enjoying play with children. I have known a couple men like this, my father included. they have all been gentle souls, and genuinely just like making kids happy and having a good time. with the sag-gem placements this could be the case, my dad is a sag.

some people are just really physical, and it's a big part of how they interact with other people. some are touchy-feely (ick) and some like to wrestle, etc.


i would look to his mars to see if it represents his physical approach.

perhaps asteroids would be good to look at.

personally, i'm not getting the feeling like his a fiddler.

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posted November 18, 2014 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a dude and I like playing with kids. My younger cousins all love me.

I just have the energy and the only people that would play tag are kids.

Have you ever tried convincing a group of adults to play tag? >\

In all seriousness no. I don't think these placements indicate these things. It's probably smart not to stereotype. Some men suck with kids, and some men love kids.

Like someone mentioned take a look at the Mars for a clue. I'm a Mars in Aries, which I've read has a childlike energy and quality even in adulthood so that's probably why when I visit family my favorite activity is fighting with my younger cousins.

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posted November 18, 2014 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TrueBlu:
Agreed. I do have suspicions once in a while. Maybe it could be my own bias against men. I'm not used to them taking interest in children. And yes, he is extremely playful... with everybody! A trickster.

FYI: His sun is in the 12th house and moon is in the 6th opposite each other.
Venus (Capricorn) in the 1st house and Mars (Virgo) in the 9th... Saturn and Jupiter are also in the 9th, if that means anything.


Is his Asc in late Sag/Cap?

I think its wise for one to be cautious and vigilant. If your feelings suspect something,one must investigate.

But in the same breath,we must keep in mind that our whole society has been overly sexualized.And paradoxically paranoid on what the appropriate boundaries are.

I would not be alerted unless one kid says that his behavior went to a point of concern.

Does his Sun/Moon opposition also square Mars/Saturn and Jupiter in 9th?

Venus in 1st house is often an indicator of someone who presents himself very well. And can be liked as a result of this.

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TrueBlu
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posted November 18, 2014 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueBlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Is his Asc in late Sag/Cap?

I think its wise for one to be cautious and vigilant. If your feelings suspect something,one must investigate.

But in the same breath,we must keep in mind that our whole society has been overly sexualized.And paradoxically paranoid on what the appropriate boundaries are.

I would not be alerted unless one kid says that his behavior went to a point of concern.

Does his Sun/Moon opposition also square Mars/Saturn and Jupiter in 9th?

Venus in 1st house is often an indicator of someone who presents himself very well. And can be liked as a result of this.


Agreed... It's very hard for me to make those kind of calls for the reasons you mentioned. Ditto when it comes to determining if someone is flirting or just being friendly!

Yes, his ascendant is in Sagittarius and his Sun and Moon squares Mars, Saturn, and Jupiter... And North Node, as well.

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posted November 18, 2014 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueBlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mareaire:
i don't think that placement in and of itself would indicate pedophilia. Nor would him being playful or him enjoying play with children. I have known a couple men like this, my father included. they have all been gentle souls, and genuinely just like making kids happy and having a good time. with the sag-gem placements this could be the case, my dad is a sag.

some people are just really physical, and it's a big part of how they interact with other people. some are touchy-feely (ick) and some like to wrestle, etc.


i would look to his mars to see if it represents his physical approach.

perhaps asteroids would be good to look at.

personally, i'm not getting the feeling like his a fiddler.


Good to know... And it puts my mind more at ease!

As for asteroids: Ceres in Aries, Vesta Taurus (rx), Chiron Taurus (rx), Juno Cancer (rx), True Lilith Libra (rx), Mean Lilith in Virgo, Pallas in Aquarius, Part of Fortune in Gemini.

Lilith conjuncts Pluto in the 10th house

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TrueBlu
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posted November 18, 2014 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueBlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Koho:
I'm a dude and I like playing with kids. My younger cousins all love me.

I just have the energy and the only people that would play tag are kids.

Have you ever tried convincing a group of adults to play tag? >\

In all seriousness no. I don't think these placements indicate these things. It's probably smart not to stereotype. Some men suck with kids, and some men love kids.

Like someone mentioned take a look at the Mars for a clue. I'm a Mars in Aries, which I've read has a childlike energy and quality even in adulthood so that's probably why when I visit family my favorite activity is fighting with my younger cousins.


LOL! You're right on all points! :P Kids also seem to flock to him. Thanks for your insight, I'm having a much better perspective on his behavior.

His Mars is in Virgo, but looking at his chart there are strong Sagittarius and Gemini influences. He can quickly switch back to serious mode when he needs to.

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posted November 18, 2014 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mareaire:
i don't think that placement in and of itself would indicate pedophilia. Nor would him being playful or him enjoying play with children. I have known a couple men like this, my father included. they have all been gentle souls, and genuinely just like making kids happy and having a good time. with the sag-gem placements this could be the case, my dad is a sag.

some people are just really physical, and it's a big part of how they interact with other people. some are touchy-feely (ick) and some like to wrestle, etc.


i would look to his mars to see if it represents his physical approach.

perhaps asteroids would be good to look at.

personally, i'm not getting the feeling like his a fiddler.


i agree....and this topic is very sad.....
wonder when there will be a thread about indicators of pedophilia in women. oops, not happening because women have the advantage of being expected to be nurturing and touchy-feely without raising any suspicions
on the other hand, men dont have that advantage....they are judged as weird if exhibiting nurturing and playful behaviour
but if a man is distant with his children....then he's also judged as an inattentive and bad father
talking about double standards!

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posted November 18, 2014 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueBlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hikoro:
i agree....and this topic is very sad.....
wonder when there will be a thread about indicators of pedophilia in women. oops, not happening because women have the advantage of being expected to be nurturing and touchy-feely without raising any suspicions
on the other hand, men dont have that advantage....they are judged as weird if exhibiting nurturing and playful behaviour
but if a man is distant with his children....then he's also judged as an inattentive and bad father
talking about double standards!


It's true and that's why I own up to my personal biases. It's the reason I seek the input of others in these matters because I realize that my perceptions may be off because of it.

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posted November 18, 2014 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TrueBlu:
It's true and that's why I own up to my personal biases. It's the reason I seek the input of others in these matters because I realize that my perceptions may be off because of it.

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posted November 18, 2014 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi ! (:

Check for asteroids placed significantly (conjunct Sun, Moon, ASC, North Node maybe ?) in his chart.

#4580 Child
#7232 Nabokov (guilty pleasures)
#6 Hebe (Goddess of youth)
#1036 Ganymede (homosexual and/or younger partners)

combined with Mars, Pluto, Uranus, R5, R8, #433 Eros, #1181 Lilith, #h13 Osc. Lilith, #875 Nymphe, #1387 Kama, or placed in his first, fifth or eighth houses, or conjunct his name asteroid.

List the important aspects, search for a theme. Of course, anyone is bound to have at a few aspects like these, but they won't necessarily be pedophiles. You need a lot of indications.

Hope that helps.

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posted November 18, 2014 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Peluches:
Hi ! (:

Check for asteroids placed significantly (conjunct Sun, Moon, ASC, North Node maybe ?) in his chart.

#4580 Child
#7232 Nabokov (guilty pleasures)
#6 Hebe (Goddess of youth)
#1036 Ganymede (homosexual and/or younger partners)

combined with Mars, Pluto, Uranus, R5, R8, #433 Eros, #1181 Lilith, #h13 Osc. Lilith, #875 Nymphe, #1387 Kama, or placed in his first, fifth or eighth houses, or conjunct his name asteroid.

List the important aspects, search for a theme. Of course, anyone is bound to have at a few aspects like these, but they won't necessarily be pedophiles. You need a lot of indications.

Hope that helps.


OH MY GOD. S**t just got real!
I just looked at the chart of a guy (perhaps a**hole would be a more appropriate term) I know who molested a kid when he was a teenager using these asteroids. Unfortunately I don't have his birth time, but his Venus sits right between his Child and his Nabokov by less than two degrees! Also his Ganymede is conjunct his Sun and his Neptune. Crazy!

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posted November 18, 2014 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueBlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
OH MY GOD. S**t just got real!
I just looked at the chart of a guy (perhaps a**hole would be a more appropriate term) I know who molested a kid when he was a teenager using these asteroids. Unfortunately I don't have his birth time, but his Venus sits right between his Child and his Nabokov by less than two degrees! Also his Ganymede is conjunct his Sun and his Neptune. Crazy!

WOWSA!!! Well that is definitely one for the books! O_o

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posted November 18, 2014 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueBlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Peluches:
Hi ! (:

Check for asteroids placed significantly (conjunct Sun, Moon, ASC, North Node maybe ?) in his chart.

#4580 Child
#7232 Nabokov (guilty pleasures)
#6 Hebe (Goddess of youth)
#1036 Ganymede (homosexual and/or younger partners)

combined with Mars, Pluto, Uranus, R5, R8, #433 Eros, #1181 Lilith, #h13 Osc. Lilith, #875 Nymphe, #1387 Kama, or placed in his first, fifth or eighth houses, or conjunct his name asteroid.

List the important aspects, search for a theme. Of course, anyone is bound to have at a few aspects like these, but they won't necessarily be pedophiles. You need a lot of indications.

Hope that helps.


Thank you! However, being a novice, I don't even know how to begin to look for these placements. I use free calculations from websites (Cafe Astrology, Astrotheme, etc.) Honestly, I've never even heard of these asteroids before and it's making my head spin! LOL

If you (or anyone else) has the time or the interest, I could PM his birth details to be calculated. Otherwise, I'm dead in the water on this! :P

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posted November 18, 2014 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TrueBlu:
Thank you! However, being a novice, I don't even know how to begin to look for these placements. I use free calculations from websites (Cafe Astrology, Astrotheme, etc.) Honestly, I've never even heard of these asteroids before and it's making my head spin! LOL

If you (or anyone else) has the time or the interest, I could PM his birth details to be calculated. Otherwise, I'm dead in the water on this! :P


Sure (: You can have my email : *deleted*

Please tell me when you have written it down so that I can delete it from here.

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posted November 18, 2014 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueBlu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Peluches:
Sure (:

Please tell me when you have written it down so that I can delete it from here.


Got it, thanks!

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posted November 19, 2014 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not about op, but just in general, I knew one,
Cancer Venus square Pluto
Gem Mars
Pisces Moon sq Neptune
And this person has kids :/

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