posted November 23, 2014 08:27 AM            

Chiron is named for the myth of the healer whose wound could never heal although he healed others from that wound. Some Astrologers like to say that the story was wrong and that Chiron could actually heal. I don’t like to add happy endings where there are none.I feel this detracts from the authenticity of Astrology.I respect Astrology too much to add or subtract from it.However, then one asks,”Is it a fait accompli that we must live with the Chiron wound forever?” Yes, I think so. However, relief can be had from using your wound to help others. I don’t think your wound will be healed by doing this. However,it will be relieved. I think this is the only way to find relief from it, too. Chiron is more House dependent than sign as it stays in the same sign for a time period in a way similar to the generational planets Neptune and Pluto. The sign is a factor but not as important as the house. We will look at both.

To find one’s deepest wounding which is Chiron’s theme, one must look at the house. Each house is a sphere of life. Since there are twelve houses, there are twelve spheres of life represented by the chart. The house in which Chiron resides has been a place of severe wounding. If you look within deeply, you will agree, I am quite sure. This fact is confirmed with each chart I am fortunate enough to read. I will not go over the domain of each house , as I have done so in many articles. I will just say that it would behoove one to study the house in which one’s Chiron is placed. Meditate on this house with all it’s ramifications. See if you can find more clarity about your life. We all have a Chiron . One is not alone in one’s struggles. The difference is the domain of one’s wounding, not it’s existence.

A Retrograde planet makes one recycle the nature of the planet.One must spiral within to such a degree that one finds one’s way out . The Direct planet does not have this quality, as one can go forward with the nature of the planet. However, the Retrograde native will have a much deeper understanding of the planets sphere by having to go within the recesses of the planet in order to come out. As such, the person with a Retrograde planet may have a unique intimacy with the domain of his Retrograde planet. It is important that he studies the nature of Retrograde planets as he will be different from the person with a Direct planet.

Take Mercury Retrograde, for example. The native learns in a different manner. He needs to understand each step before he can grasp the whole. This may make learning slower, but his retention and depth will be deeper, in my experience. I think Mercury Retrograde is a blessing although people differ. Each Retrograde works in the same way, in that the person must descend into the bowels of the planet and somehow make it his own before he can use it.The native with Retrograde planets does this as a matter of course. It is very natural for him. He only stops to look when he realizes that not everyone is the same . At that point, he can study Retrograde planets to try to understand his own nature. It is a worthwhile endeavor as one will have valuable insight into oneself.

Back to Chiron Retrograde. Just the thought of having to go within the bowels of Chiron in order to come out again has a sense of futility. One wants to renege on the whole thing as the thought of pain involved seems to hit one as a wave of humidity when one has stepped from air conditioning to the midday heat.However, with Retrograde planets there is no way out other than in. The native with a Retrograde Chiron will have an unusual relationship with pain. However, on the flip side, he will have a commensurate depth. Nothing is free in life or Astrology. If one wants to heal others from one’s pain, one must face one’s pain.It is a simple axiom but hard for the doing.

I did not address Chiron by sign. I am not that familiar with the workings of Chiron by sign. I suspect that the sign in which Chiron is placed is a hard energy for the native. Each of us has a Zodiac sign or two which rubs us the wrong way. Other factors such as Saturn may be involved but I suspect that Chiron may be a factor, too. I need to address this more as I do charts.

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posted November 23, 2014 08:28 AM            

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posted November 23, 2014 07:16 PM              

Mine is 1-48 Taurus.
7th-8th house cusp 1-54

posted November 23, 2014 07:30 PM            

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Originally posted by SunsetsAndRainyDays:
Ugh, I have this in the 12th and it's opposite sun & saturn.
I'm gonna have to look into the 12th house more because I can never really get a grasp on it.

Thanks.

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You are very welcome,S. It is not a 12th house planet if it is within 10 degrees of the ASC. So, make sure you keep this in mind.

Check out my thread to barbie on 12th house planets

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posted November 23, 2014 08:24 PM            

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Example - I have retrograde Chiron in my 9th house. I have lived overseas and I desperately want to move back to Europe, but I just can't seem to make that a reality.

Chiron also appears to be conjunct with my MC (in Taurus).

It also makes contacts with my Sun (trine), Moon (quincunx), Mercury (trine), Venus (opposition), Jupiter (square), Saturn (trine), Uranus (opposition) & Neptune (biquintile).

How does this play out?

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posted November 23, 2014 08:34 PM            

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posted November 23, 2014 11:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Chiron conj the MC is the 2nd hardest Chiron. People see your pain. There does not seem to be a way to make this not so.

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posted November 23, 2014 11:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Chiron conj the MC is the 2nd hardest Chiron. People see your pain. There does not seem to be a way to make this not so.

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I can feel that. People ask me "What's wrong" quite a lot.

posted November 24, 2014 01:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Geeky:
I can feel that. People ask me "What's wrong" quite a lot.

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posted November 24, 2014 02:32 AM            

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
You are the MC or the chiron?

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I have retrograde Chiron conj MC in my natal chart. All of the aspects I listed in my post earlier is in reference to my natal chart.

posted November 24, 2014 02:55 AM            

For instance, Mars adds aggression. I can attest to test personally and I have loads of personal examples.

Neptune adds a great deal of confusion IME. Again, good examples to back that up.

Pluto adds a tendency to read between the lines and become sensitive to the unspoken words. Amen to that too.

posted November 24, 2014 03:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Geeky:
I have retrograde Chiron conj MC in my natal chart. All of the aspects I listed in my post earlier is in reference to my natal chart.

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Oh sorry! I didn't read through your thread..

So you might be expressing your pain as well then?

posted November 24, 2014 06:31 AM            

My ex has Mars in Gemini, thanks this one isn't on my Chiron, but I saw a lot of this Mars on him. He's a very intelligent one, in terms of maths, but don't ask him to be sentimental... He's a Aries Venus too. He is always hunting things that after he gets, gets very boring.... I really don't like this placement.

posted November 24, 2014 07:36 AM            

Mine is in Aqua and Aqua is my least, least favorite Sun sign.

I like it in Venus and Mars though.

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posted November 25, 2014 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Could you elaborate by real-life examples of how Chiron works. I really don't understand the energy of this placement.

For instance, Mars adds aggression. I can attest to test personally and I have loads of personal examples.

Neptune adds a great deal of confusion IME. Again, good examples to back that up.

Pluto adds a tendency to read between the lines and become sensitive to the unspoken words. Amen to that too.

But Chiron? It just doesn't connect.

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Mine is a fairly clear cut example so I'll share it with you.

I have Chiron retrograde in Cancer. I wouldn't be a believer of Chiron except that anyone who has looked at my chart immediately picks up on the 'mother wound'.

Without much detail basically my mother was unable to raise me through no fault of her own and as a child I had a lot of trouble bonding with her. I was raised by my grandmother who died a few months before my 17th birthday. To this day I can barely call my mother mom, because that term is taken for my grandmother though I have gotten better.

But the bright side to it all is the older I get the more patient, and empathetic I get with my mom and the more we bond and it is a very good life lesson.

Chiron is in the 3rd house, I have not really thought this one through too much. Perhaps it is responsible for my speech troubles particularly in youth despite developing a very strong ability at speech making. Some also used this to ask if I were an only child - I am. Though I was perfectly fine with that cause of a brotherlike cousin and the pet cat I had :P

I should also say people have read my chart and caught on to this stuff by seeing my Moon conjunct Saturn exact in the 8th house part of Capricorn square my Aries Mars in the 12th. They've also used these aspects to determine that my biological father is completely out of the picture (though I have a very awesome step-grandfather that filled that role). So is it Chiron, or these aspects? I don't know yet but people have used both.

Worth noting Chiron is also opposite my Moon Saturn conjunction in Capricorn. I don't know if it squares the Mars as well.

I think, treat Chiron as a square since it is where your wound is. Something that causes you trouble that you should try hard to learn to manage and draw strength from.

I hope my case brings some learning?

posted November 25, 2014 10:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
Mine is a fairly clear cut example so I'll share it with you.

I have Chiron retrograde in Cancer. I wouldn't be a believer of Chiron except that anyone who has looked at my chart immediately picks up on the 'mother wound'.

Without much detail basically my mother was unable to raise me through no fault of her own and as a child I had a lot of trouble bonding with her. I was raised by my grandmother who died a few months before my 17th birthday. To this day I can barely call my mother mom, because that term is taken for my grandmother though I have gotten better.

But the bright side to it all is the older I get the more patient, and empathetic I get with my mom and the more we bond and it is a very good life lesson.

Chiron is in the 3rd house, I have not really thought this one through too much. Perhaps it is responsible for my speech troubles particularly in youth despite developing a very strong ability at speech making. Some also used this to ask if I were an only child - I am. Though I was perfectly fine with that cause of a brotherlike cousin and the pet cat I had :P

I should also say people have read my chart and caught on to this stuff by seeing my Moon conjunct Saturn exact in the 8th house part of Capricorn square my Aries Mars in the 12th. They've also used these aspects to determine that my biological father is completely out of the picture (though I have a very awesome step-grandfather that filled that role). So is it Chiron, or these aspects? I don't know yet but people have used both.

Worth noting Chiron is also opposite my Moon Saturn conjunction in Capricorn. I don't know if it squares the Mars as well.

I think, treat Chiron as a square since it is where your wound is. Something that causes you trouble that you should try hard to learn to manage and draw strength from.

I hope my case brings some learning?

PS Thank you Ami! And.. IM A MAN (( :P

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Hmmm To each his own I guess.

I think in my mind I look for something definitive. Something that cannot be attributed to another aspect.

Sometimes I think that Chiron overlaps with Saturn- which is why I have a hard time considering its effects by itself.Infact,I hardly look at Chiron.

posted November 25, 2014 10:36 PM            

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I had literally just asked about it too. Weird!

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posted December 25, 2022 09:08 PM            

Although, on the other hand, maybe not. Because while the return is a new and changed person like Pluto, the return is not a victorious one. Instead they are PTSDed, wounded, bloodied and limping, and perhaps never to fight again. In contrast to Pluto, they are LESS empowered.

Less empowered, but not victimised like Neptune. But hardened through duty, and battle.

Similar to Pluto(?), there is deep experiential insight gained into the trauma/experience. But instead, a generosity and a compulsion to pass the key to others. The insight of the personal account and the passing to others, may be used as a tool for those others to make it through the same event less scathed. Pluto otoh is somewhat withholding.

But to share, I don't feel it's an act of compassion, like Neptune. It's more utilitarian, and it's tougher. And with some sense of bitterness: because Chiron's tools and "keys" come only in hindsight, after the horrors have burned and wounded.

Is there an intellectual component to Chiron? Surely there is, as the Chiron mythology is about the centaurs, where Sagittarius hangs out. The centaurs are a collection of warriors that work together in battle to fight. Again, unlike both Pluto and Neptune which are more solitary and personalised.

Further, then, bringing the above together in an accessible analogy: So the "wounded healer" is the centaur returning wounded to the squadron, to share and DEBRIEF one's personal experience on the frontline for the greater good of the unit. In particular, the personal experience, the philosophy and the strategy (Sagittarian features) employed at the frontline. Debrief is an inbuild standard procedure in combat that supports the soldier and for the collective good of the squad. Here then are where the roots lie, from where the sense of compulsion and duty to share stem from.

It doesn't fix your wound to share what happened, but the strategy, and what you observed is intel for the team. This is where I believe the compulsion to share comes from: as debriefing after battle is a fundamental process in combat for the survival of the team. And when soldiers return, they can validate each other saying: I saw that too and they share their survival strategies and experiences.

Look to the aspects to Chiron to uncover the strategy and the philosophy that helped your Chiron in the battle. And the battle itself, too.

Sharing and debriefing with others (the squad) contributes to intel, but, on a personal level, it uncovers also what you might have accomplished or avoided, had you known then, what you know now, after the event. It's in hindsight then, and why it's never healed, and why I say, it's somewhat bitter.

Debriefing is validating and soothing, as it unravels insights, and it tests the weary soldier's logic. Again, only in hindsight and thus it soothes, but never completely heals, as there are a lot of "if only"s and "what if"s. That, and the soldier's contribution to the team's intel of the frontline, is the only healing that is done for the individual wounded centaur.

It's more soothing than healing.. Further, even talking about the batter only opens the wound. So, it's double-edged. And, like Neptune, it is sacrificial in this sense: you suffer when you share your experience, but it's validating to bring intel to the team.

Retrograde - I don't know. Maybe they return so PTSDed they are muted and share nil with the squadron.

posted December 30, 2022 02:46 AM            

I did not have these issues when Chiron was in Pisces. The only issue was it squared my rising.

Funny thing is now that it sextiles my rising. People see that I actually have REAL problems now, and people will be like "you poor thing"