posted November 24, 2014 06:45 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:

It's really hard for me to describe our conversations. It's like we are excessively careful with each other so that we can be excessively free with each other. Like walking a tightrope: you need extraordinary balance, but with that you can walk from skyscraper to skyscraper or whatever you like.

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posted November 24, 2014 07:09 PM              

Interesting observations. I'm going to take a look into my own Virgo 8th house... Its ruler, Mercury, is squared by Pluto, natural ruler of the 8th. I have attracted, a good amount of times, Virgo Mars and Mercury (sometimes). Virgo Mars would oppose my Pisces Venus and in terms of attraction, it's extremely potent.

However, when it comes to transformation, the energy is undoubtedly blocked. My Pluto-squared Mercury is in the 1st house conjunct Sun and Saturn and Venus in Pisces. This is extremely problematic. Virgo is equipped with the tools to potentially transform me but I disallow this to occur. In fact, Virgos usually notice things about me that are extremely private just by mere observation. If I am feeling slightly generous, I will affirm their remark and move on. If I'm feeling extremely generous, I will talk about it a little and then end the discussion. Maybe even avoid them a little as I feel invaded.

The root of the issue is within me. With Saturn conjuncting Sun and Mercury and Pluto stubbornly squaring them, I'm faced with an extremely crippling dilemma. Saturn tries to restrict me, enforce its values onto me, and keep me set in stone while Pluto, rather combatively, tries to challenge this by compelling me to transform and discard of Saturn's laws by pushing me into revealing the "true self" in me that I am perpetually trying to hide.

posted November 24, 2014 07:14 PM            

I get along very well with pisces sun but particularly pisces mercury.

Someone once said that pisces is the last sign and therefore had learned all the other signs. I find them to be remarkably intelligent and adaptable. Masters at hiding what they have going on inside. Even more than Scorpio because they know how to cover it with a perfect smile.

posted November 24, 2014 07:32 PM            

My 8th is Taurus. I've never dated one and the only thing I'm familiar with is that I lived with a woman who had Taurus Mars retrograde, conjunct my Jupiter. (She was Sag sun) Whooooooooa.... that was HELL. The only good thing was that looking back, oh yeah, it transformed me.

So anyway, Jupiter in my 8th, trining my Mars, Mercury, Asc, and square my sun.
My Venus which we all know is ruled by Libra/Taurus is in my 12th. (Pisces house) I actually haven't found a single sign in the zodiac, including Taurus's that I know that could "read" me. Pisces Mercury having the best shot at actually doing it with accuracy. The secrets of the 12th, are SOOOOO deep, they are unreachable to most, even the native sometimes. (Depending on the person/chart)

posted November 24, 2014 08:24 PM            

While the shrooms didn't have the effect he wanted, they DID transform me, and I believed saved my life later on. The shrooms let me realize some things (we "communed" and the shrooms brought up my memories as needed) such as I hated school because I loved learning and school was wasting my time that could be better spent learning at my own pace (and not them filling me with their BS). And I believe it facilitated the vision I had of Freya some time later (while Granny was praying for me) that saved my life and took me in a completely different direction as I realized I set my own course through the stormy waters of life, not the adults around me (no matter how the adults thought otherwise). (I also believe Freya was also from a past life as my cousin had intended.)

Not sure if this counts but Mom has a Pisces Jupiter, and she transformed me, but only my Scorpio Jupiter kept it from being more damaging than it was and instead made it more (unintentionally) helpful. Pisces Jupiter need to retreat for long periods to recharge and she was doing just that on a rainy day which allowed me access to the TV (normally she watched the one TV we had) and I caught The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane by chance as a result, a movie that changed my life...possible due to the indirect actions of her Pisces Jupiter interacting with my Scorpio.

And because of the shroom visions, Freya, the LGWLDTL, and all I eventually encountered that Pisces mooner on a beach who was drawn to me. I almost stabbed him as he approached me but he sensed it and knew what to say to calm me down (I never met anyone as psychic as him, though it was a burden he endured more than a gift he enjoyed, even if it did give him a heads up that saved him at times). He got me off the streets and introduced me to new worlds (some magical) that transformed me, which included me discovering the books of Linda Goodman, btw. And in the process I facilitated his being able to enter a different crowd as well as showing him some things he was trying hard not to see that changed his own life direction a bit.

Then there was the Pisces boyfriend I had (with Pisces Venus and Mars), the one and only man I think I could've married under different circumstances. He was hetero (though bi curious) but saw himself as a woman, and for the first time he inspired me to try being a guy. It was incredibly fun and I learned things about myself in the process as well as new aspects of gender and gender codes I hadn't realized before (and how they affected both of us). He was also hit by it and questioned what is gender hardware and software...among other things.

Perhaps the most transformative person is my Aquarius BFF with Pisces stellium (btw, my Libra stellium is on the Scorpio cusp, and my 7H is Aquarius on the Pisces cusp...wonder if this contributed to why I have an a lot of Aqua people in my life as well?) who got me into her Discordian cabal and the experiences were transforming...way too long to express and it takes place over years...but I went from being a Heathen who believed all the gods were real (for better and for worse) to an Ignostic with a more Jungian view on divinity. Meanwhile, I gave her acceptance she sought that elevated her rather than kept her down and she's taken years of Tai Chi now, and because of me she dropped Discordianism for Taoism.

More interesting is how she also remembered me in past lives and tried to get me to remember. Very recently she had vivid memories of having met my Granny when she was on a hippie commune about 1970, we both were (and if what she says is true and Granny remembers right then our names were Cassie and Mary Kate, and may also play into why I met and bonded with Pappy when I was a 15-year-old runaway, a guy who came from the area we'd been back then before we died while he went to prison and lived, though in any case I'm glad I gave him a shred of peace before he died, and I like to think I helped give him peace after).

So then Dacia meets my cousin and they remember each other (from other lives, they never met before) and started talking surreal right in front of me! This is when he talked about his past life memories...it got super surreal when he talked about how when he went into his room, shut the door, and played his guitar (and we were to leave him alone), he REMEMBERED things (so hard which is why he didn't want to be disturbed), and he said he and I had been bonded through various lives since he was an Irish musician who called me out of the realm of the Sidhe with his music...and then the two started pointing out how many associated me with elves in various ways, including the link of Frey/Freya with elves and how ever since I was young my granny called me "Pixie" instead of Becky (and when I joined LL right after visiting Granny in '11 she had called me "Pix" again which is why I thought to use the name "Pixie Jane" here).

I'm not sure what I think of that but listening to them talk was mind blowing, and my cousin convinced me to let him fix me up with some more shroom tea so the two of them could help me (and thus themselves) remember.

But that didn't happen because we all decided we had to endure the family supper first which happened the next day, and the drama (quite possibly the Mars and Pluto that also exists in my Libra on the Scorpio stelium) there made it so me and my Pisces stellium friend had to leave early (it was fun for her, though, but she regrets not seeing me on shrooms) and as she made a joke about a dragon I remembered the dream I've shared before on how my BFF and I were riding on the back of a dragon that I believe represents my Scorpio Jupiter and flying into the moon ready to transform no matter the cost (another dragon pursued us and would kill us if able, which I believe is pure Scorpio energy of transformation that's not for the weak) but before we could transform I was woken up in frustration...and in this case we had to leave when otherwise I'd have been taking the shroom tea in just a few hours.

posted November 25, 2014 02:59 PM            

Thank you for this thorough and interesting answer.

posted November 25, 2014 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Beautiful and powerful analogy, Faith. Extremely informative and mentally stimulating. Thank you!

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Thank you for understanding me.

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
However, when it comes to transformation, the energy is undoubtedly blocked.

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You really don't strike me as blocked but then, I am blocked, so my perception is off...

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Virgo is equipped with the tools to potentially transform me but I disallow this to occur.

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God, I totally get that.

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Therefore, the transformation doesn't occur because the more they dig, the more my insecurity compels me to kick the sand back in the hole. Unfortunately (or fortunately), depending on the perspective, they are aware of my issues. Just unable to get deep enough to bring about a revolution.

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Goosebumps ^^^^

I am so similar, you have no idea. My Cap sun in mutual reception with 12H Saturn, square Pluto, may feel similar to your Pisces sun conjunct Saturn, square Pluto. Make sense?

I'll just wish us luck in moving forward...who knows what the future holds (...besides dinner at a Middle Eastern restaurant. )

posted November 25, 2014 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:

Someone once said that pisces is the last sign and therefore had learned all the other signs. I find them to be remarkably intelligent and adaptable. Masters at hiding what they have going on inside. Even more than Scorpio because they know how to cover it with a perfect smile.

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posted November 25, 2014 05:02 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Well...my last non-celeb crush has Sun, Mercury, Venus and SN in Aries (my 8th house). He was the final nail in the coffin when it comes to me & pursuing romance, he contributed to the questioning my sexuality and made me abandon skype. Transformative enough?

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Come to mama, Caps. You've been mixing with the wrong Aries folk..