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Topic: Mercury square Pluto... Ughhh!
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lvASTRO Knowflake Posts: 342 From: Saturn Registered: Aug 2013
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posted November 27, 2014 10:05 PM
I have natal mercury (Aqua) square natal pluto (retrograde in Scorpio) and I feel like it is ruining my relationships. :-(I always think everyone is out to get me... Ulterior motives... A secret to hide. If my guy doesn't respond to my text message right away, I start creating stories in my mind of what he's doing, et cetera--these narratives in my mind are just horrible that string me along until I feel the most intense emotions. I hate it. I obsess mentally and just can't shut it off. I'm skeptical, paranoid even. I always fathom the worst. Anyone else have this? How do you cope? :-\ IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze unregistered
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posted November 27, 2014 10:42 PM
I don't have this aspect but I've definitively suffered this problem all of my life. I do know someone (here on LL) with that aspect but they seem more like investigators. The conditions of my mercury that I feel contribute are this. Mercury conjunct mars in 12th square Gemini moon. There's a few things I've done that really help. One is to remind yourself as often as you can that you DO, do this. Always remember that it can be, and likely is just your imagination. Keep your mind busy on a daily basis. Crosswords, drawing, exercise, and I like music. Anything. Find some outlets for that energy in your brain that just snowballs. Stay calm. Be direct but don't assume. Meaning, if something bothers you so much then you can politely ask them. Or ask them somewhat investigative questions and see how they respond. Learn to first, separate your thoughts from your intuition. Focus and listen to yourself. It's critical that you don't allow thought to run over your intuition. Trust your intuition. It's easy to mix them so you'll just have to practice. Assume the other person is a good trustworthy person. I know that's kind of the problem but TREAT them as if you feel that way. You can't treat them as if they are not trustworthy if they haven't given you any reason to. Give yourself time before you speak or act. Fight and fight yourself to not let it out. Just buy some time and after a while that person generally, without them even knowing, prove you wrong. You'll begin to see that it really is all in your head. This all takes practice and you WILL fail at times. Barbie and I were just talking the other night. People really tend to underestimate mercury sometimes. It can be a real powerhouse. IP: Logged |
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posted November 28, 2014 12:07 AM
I have Moon opp. Pluto and feel that way though. I thought Mercury / Pluto would indicate someone who digs for answers and it can be beneficial even in a square? What other things aspect your Pluto, if any?DF is right. I think anything touching Pluto goes into overdrive and, like with most things, if you have an excess of energy in one area of your life it's better to keep yourself busy and focused on trivial mundane tasks - basically living in the moment, literally. IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues Knowflake Posts: 1280 From: The future... or the past. I get them confused... Registered: May 2014
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posted November 28, 2014 12:09 AM
Yeah I do have it with about a 4 degree orb, but then again, my Merc has so many more things going on that Pluto only gets a slice of its time.DF has good advice in there about giving people time and also always, always, ALWAYS keeping your mind positively active and engaged. Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be. -Jimmy Johnson
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ScandinavianCrab Knowflake Posts: 105 From: Scandinavia Registered: Aug 2013
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posted November 28, 2014 01:55 AM
Excersize and meditation works well for me. Now I'm working on trying to not invest 120% of myself in any romantic relationship everytime.. Completely different story  IP: Logged |
charlie Knowflake Posts: 4015 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted November 28, 2014 03:32 AM
I have it. I have ALWAYS wanted to be a Forensic Psychologist and know I would be a marvelous one!! I do look for answers in relationship that perhaps sometimes don't need much digging for and I CAN grate on people's nerves. I have however managed to use my talents for digging for answers within religion and spirituality and life in general. I can probably find anythig on the internet. That small species of bright purple plant that only exists in the deepest jungles of Congo and have only been seen once, ever? I can find it for you The only problems that arise in relationships is when someone is not open with me. I can smell something hidden (for real-not imagined) miles away. I will want to know what is. Once I do, I am ok with anything and everything. Just do not hide it from me!! IP: Logged |
ScandinavianCrab Knowflake Posts: 105 From: Scandinavia Registered: Aug 2013
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posted November 28, 2014 04:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by charlie:
The only problems that arise in relationships is when someone is not open with me. I can smell something hidden (for real-not imagined) miles away. I will want to know what is. Once I do, I am ok with anything and everything. Just do not hide it from me!!
Quoted for truth!! 
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florence Knowflake Posts: 1324 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted November 28, 2014 04:19 AM
Mercury opp Pluto .. my astrology book says this mind needs to be filled with profound material or it will become paranoid. So maybe studying something purely to occupy the mind, something you can get obsessed about. I've lost access to my passion recently and definitely feel it flooding more mundane channels. The worst thing is, though, that having easily delusional aspects with neptune, my Pluto tries to compensate but it doesn't really work like that to find reality. But if I ignore it ill end up with obsessed and paranoid partners probably because I have the opp but in either case I think passing material through those circuits for the sake of it - even doing puzzles helps stave off that kind of thinking. Try sporcle! Otoh to quote a friend's favourite saying - who I think was a bit schizophrenic - just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you IP: Logged |
LucieLemonade Knowflake Posts: 1592 From: Registered: Sep 2013
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posted November 28, 2014 01:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by charlie:
The only problems that arise in relationships is when someone is not open with me. I can smell something hidden (for real-not imagined) miles away. I will want to know what is. Once I do, I am ok with anything and everything. Just do not hide it from me!!
Ooh! Me too! I'd write more but this is perfectly explained. And I've always felt that I'd be a good detective or lawyer. But for some reason I chose neither career. At least not yet! There is always time. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze unregistered
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posted November 28, 2014 01:41 PM
Funny I don't have it but I feel all the same things.  IP: Logged |
charlie Knowflake Posts: 4015 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted November 28, 2014 03:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by DeepFreeze: Funny I don't have it but I feel all the same things. 
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Solar_Leo_Queen Knowflake Posts: 2506 From: Planet Earth Registered: Jan 2014
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posted November 28, 2014 03:25 PM
I have this aspect, Mercury in Virgo square Pluto in Sagittarius. Oddly enough, I act the exact same way as you described. I do get paranoid and my mind starts making up things. The last time this happened to me, my suspicions actually proved to be right. I thought that the guy I was seeing a few months ago was also seeing some other girl. Weeks later, I found out he was and this crushed me really bad. I do think this aspect does denote a psychic ability to know when things are about to go wrong. It is helpful in some ways, but the thing I hate about it is that I can almost never shake the feeling of paranoia away. It sticks like gum.IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 5637 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted November 28, 2014 05:47 PM
I have it.Sometimes random thoughts pop up in my head. They don’t make an iota of sense at the time, but guess what, they turn out to be true. I always get the infos I need. I don’t even need to dig deep, it’s like they find me, instead of me finding them. How do I cope with it ? I simply trust my BS detector, I don’t dismiss it as paranoia. IP: Logged |
sis Knowflake Posts: 484 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted November 28, 2014 05:50 PM
mercury ( cap ) squares pluto ( lib ) 0 dgr... paranoid, suspicious, dark thoughts, intense conversations... hard to deceive... I have mercury sextile jupiter ( Pis 3rd ) - it helps to lighten up. I always feel like I am in between light and darkness. ( sun,mercury,venus, sac square pluto / the same planets sextile jupiter ) IP: Logged |
ail221 Moderator Posts: 7119 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted November 28, 2014 06:05 PM
Ehhh I do this as well and I have Mercury in Leo square Pluto in Scorpio, the fixed energy seems to add to the intensity. I don't create stories until I have gone into full investigation mode I.e. google, spokeo, etc. Sometimes you just have to just wooo sah things out and realize everyone isn't trying to be deceptive towards you. Sometimes our instincts aren't totally off when we catch red flags but moderation is necessary. IP: Logged |
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 3089 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted November 28, 2014 06:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by charlie: I have it. I have ALWAYS wanted to be a Forensic Psychologist and know I would be a marvelous one!! I do look for answers in relationship that perhaps sometimes don't need much digging for and I CAN grate on people's nerves. I have however managed to use my talents for digging for answers within religion and spirituality and life in general. I can probably find anythig on the internet. That small species of bright purple plant that only exists in the deepest jungles of Congo and have only been seen once, ever? I can find it for you The only problems that arise in relationships is when someone is not open with me. I can smell something hidden (for real-not imagined) miles away. I will want to know what is. Once I do, I am ok with anything and everything. Just do not hide it from me!!
Agree! I wanted to work for CIA IP: Logged |
LucieLemonade Knowflake Posts: 1592 From: Registered: Sep 2013
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posted November 28, 2014 06:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: I have it.Sometimes random thoughts pop up in my head. They don’t make an iota of sense at the time, but guess what, they turn out to be true. I always get the infos I need. I don’t even need to dig deep, it’s like they find me, instead of me finding them. How do I cope with it ? I simply trust my BS detector, I don’t dismiss it as paranoia.
I think this is a very good point! When my BS detector goes off, that person gets put in the keep at arms length category. So I've never really had the need (if that's the right word?) to get to the paranoid point. Though I do have to admit that I like lots of communication and I'm addicted to texting. If I don't get texts back right away I get slightly annoyed. LOL Hello people! Texts are INSTANT messages! You must reply INSTANTLY!
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 72858 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 01, 2014 05:39 PM
Agreed about texting.IP: Logged |
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 3089 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 01, 2014 07:25 PM
@lucie: my mom has the conjunction and she definitely wants immediate responsesI tend to figure out people's preferences and some people do not text back ... (Cough... Earth signs) in their head they think it makes sense as it means they have nothing to add. IP: Logged |
whaaat Knowflake Posts: 601 From: Portland, MA,U.S Registered: Jun 2013
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posted December 01, 2014 11:56 PM
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whaaat Knowflake Posts: 601 From: Portland, MA,U.S Registered: Jun 2013
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posted December 01, 2014 11:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by DeepFreeze: I don't have this aspect but I've definitively suffered this problem all of my life. I do know someone (here on LL) with that aspect but they seem more like investigators. The conditions of my mercury that I feel contribute are this. Mercury conjunct mars in 12th square Gemini moon. There's a few things I've done that really help. One is to remind yourself as often as you can that you DO, do this. Always remember that it can be, and likely is just your imagination. Keep your mind busy on a daily basis. Crosswords, drawing, exercise, and I like music. Anything. Find some outlets for that energy in your brain that just snowballs. Stay calm. Be direct but don't assume. Meaning, if something bothers you so much then you can politely ask them. Or ask them somewhat investigative questions and see how they respond. Learn to first, separate your thoughts from your intuition. Focus and listen to yourself. It's critical that you don't allow thought to run over your intuition. Trust your intuition. It's easy to mix them so you'll just have to practice. Assume the other person is a good trustworthy person. I know that's kind of the problem but TREAT them as if you feel that way. You can't treat them as if they are not trustworthy if they haven't given you any reason to. Give yourself time before you speak or act. Fight and fight yourself to not let it out. Just buy some time and after a while that person generally, without them even knowing, prove you wrong. You'll begin to see that it really is all in your head. This all takes practice and you WILL fail at times. Barbie and I were just talking the other night. People really tend to underestimate mercury sometimes. It can be a real powerhouse.
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nordicsoul Knowflake Posts: 1259 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted December 02, 2014 01:28 PM
I have the moon-mercury in gemini square pluto in virgo. I dont know if it is because of the mercurial influence (it is my sole chart dispositor)or the fact that both pluto and mercury are rule by mercury make the things more objective and lighter.I am suspicious about other's motive, but ONLY when i feel something IS GOING ON. I trust people and lovers if they deserve it, but the moment i start losing trust, normally, THERE IS A REASON. I would say that is difficult to fool me and maybe it makes me more paranoid that those without the aspect, but hey.. at least i never get caught by surprise. On another note, I am born researcher and my work is related to research.. I guess.. that also is a good outlet for the energy. IP: Logged |
nordicsoul Knowflake Posts: 1259 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted December 02, 2014 01:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by charlie: I can smell something hidden (for real-not imagined) miles away. I will want to know what is. Once I do, I am ok with anything and everything. Just do not hide it from me!!
I could agree with you more
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nordicsoul Knowflake Posts: 1259 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted December 02, 2014 01:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: I have it.Sometimes random thoughts pop up in my head. They don’t make an iota of sense at the time, but guess what, they turn out to be true. I always get the infos I need. I don’t even need to dig deep, it’s like they find me, instead of me finding them. How do I cope with it ? I simply trust my BS detector, I don’t dismiss it as paranoia.
agree, we should be thankful for the KNOWING.. i dont call it paranoid either. If i have the suspicius that something is going on and turn out to be true, why should i feel bad about being warned and not fooled. it may save you years and even money
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Steph22922 Knowflake Posts: 91 From: United States, Kansas Registered: Jan 2015
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posted January 07, 2015 03:30 PM
I have natal Mercury Retrograde in Pisces in 6th house Square Pluto in Scorpio in the 3rd.I've always had a tendency to think (merc.) very deeply (pluto) and I always go back over situations I've been in and conversations that I've had with people multiple times which I feel is because of my Mercury being in retrograde (reverse, having to go back over things). I have to analyze every little thing that's said/done around me and try to understand why people do the things they do, what their motives are, how things have affected me and my mood and the moods of people around me. It gets pretty exhausting lol. I also like to delve deeply into any subject that I'm interested in and I almost get obsessed with whatever I'm into or reading about. I like finding the deep and hidden meanings in things. And since Mercury has to do with communication I find that I love having deep conversations with people. Small talk grates on my nerves after awhile because I feel that it's pointless. I'd rather get down to the deep seated issues that people are having in their lives and have intense emotional and heartfelt discussions that bond me deeper with people. Also My rising sign is Virgo which is ruled by Mercury and my Sun, Mercury, Venus and Saturn are all in the 6th house which is ruled by Virgo and Mercury so I feel like this strengthens Mercury in my chart and amplifies everything I've just talked about lol. Basically my mind just never shuts off and I have a hard time relaxing because I'm always over analyzing and over thinking. I really wish my mind just had an off button sometimes and I could just be another ignorant joe-shmoe from down the road, but i feel like this aspect gives you a look deeper into things than most people get. Like almost anything it's a blessing and a curse. IP: Logged |