posted November 28, 2014 10:59 PM            

Not to say that the Sun ceases to influence the person. That will never happen as a Gemini Sun will always be a Gemini Sun and will show these traits.

But depending on the position of the Moon, the traits can be mitigated or exaggerated.

Gemini seems to "double up" on the traits when Sagittarius is on the Moon.

The Pisces Sun is usually vivacious when Aries is in the Moon position.

The Libra tends to get a little wishy-washy with commitment when Aquarius is on the Moon.

And how adorable is a Cap Sun with a Pisces Moon heh? Seems like a complete personality overhaul.

So my question is,does the Asc switch things up again?

I'm in two minds about this because sometimes it does and then, other time sit doesn't.

For example,I've noticed that with my Gemini Sun/Pisces Moon and Cap Asc friend. It seems to.

Yes he applies a lot of his mental faculties(Gemini) in spiritual pursuits(Pisces), but he is seldom sentimental and I have never viewed him as such(Cap Asc).

Another friend has Virgo Sun/Aries Moon and Libra Asc.

With moon in Aries spicing up his Virgo Sun,I was caught off-guard to discover that he has this Moon position- given how polite,well-liked and accommodating he is(Libra Asc).

The 3rd has Aquarius Asc, Virgo Sun and Libra Moon.

With this one, things are a little more blurry-as the Moon trines the Asc very closely.Hence my "being on the fence"

The erratic/"out of the box" nature you'd expect with the Aquarius Asc is modified by the polite Libra Moon.

I incorrectly thought that he had Libra Asc/Libra Moon. Because he smiles so easily and loves to be around people.

All these people somehow still show their Sun-sign traits. That doesn't change. But my question is geared towards the Asc.

Does the Asc "override" all with you? At-least on a fist-impression basis as proclaimed by many books?

And if so,why do so many of us still seem to either see the Moon/Sun immediately in another when first meeting,if the Asc is supposed to be the consistent obvious one?

posted November 29, 2014 02:23 AM            

I think someone's Moon is more accessible when they feel secure in a situation or in a person, the more you are around a person, the more you can see the Moon and the aspects. I think when a situation is dicey or the person is protecting themselves they may use their ASC more, especially if the Moon is more sensitive by sign or aspects. The ASC is a mask we wear to protect our inner selves from over exposure, which is why people with Pisces ASC and Neptune on the ASC can be more damaged by external circumstances. They're exposed all the time. I really think what shows up more is based on how the person feels or how they want to project themselves, or maybe it even goes back to childhood, what got more rewarded your Sun abilities, Moon abilities, or ASC abilities. Usually people stay with what works for them, and unknowingly projects these traits.

I have always felt the ASC simply shows what we "wish" other people would see or think we are, but sometimes the ASC is weaker than the Sun/Moon and that is why you can get more peaks at the Sun/Moon signs.

I do notice stronger ASC like Leo, Aries, Capricorn, Sagittarius, Scorpio or strongly aspected ascendants tend to show themselves more. So you get more of the ASC coming through, but it really depends on chart.

I may edit this later when I think more about it.

posted November 29, 2014 07:05 AM            

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And if so,why do so many of us still seem to either see the Moon/Sun immediately in another when first meeting,if the Asc is supposed to be the consistent obvious one?

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posted November 29, 2014 12:12 PM            

Venus is in 1 degree aspect with Uranus (square). Also conjunct Saturn.

Sun and Moon are square Pluto.

My moon, sun and asc are very hidden I feel by "energies" of outer planets, especially Uranus.

I have a hard time finding my Cancer sun and feel secure there without Uranus knocking on door saying "Ummm HELLO!!? I am the Boss of things here!"

posted November 29, 2014 04:49 PM            

I would assume similar things for myself. I'm mostly Saturnian so people pick that up. They also pick up my aqua stellium and if the hang out with me longer, the aries moon (I don't have any other fire planet).

However, the taurus ascendant requires someone to be perceptive to catch up: I always sit at the same spot, wear very comfy but fashionable clothes, care about appearances, methodological, like to be in a comfortable place.

This reminds me of Miley Cyrus... People thought she was sag Asc for awhile before it turns out she's a taurus rising. Most people apparently pick up her sag and scorpio moon energy

posted November 29, 2014 05:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Comatoes:
Great post, not easy to say but...

I think someone's Moon is more accessible when they feel secure in a situation or in a person, the more you are around a person, the more you can see the Moon and the aspects.

I think when a situation is dicey or the person is protecting themselves they may use their ASC more, especially if the Moon is more sensitive by sign or aspects.The ASC is a mask we wear to protect our inner selves from over exposure, which is why people with Pisces ASC and Neptune on the ASC can be more damaged by external circumstances. They're exposed all the time. I really think what shows up more is based on how the person feels or how they want to project themselves, or maybe it even goes back to childhood, what got more rewarded your Sun abilities, Moon abilities, or ASC abilities. Usually people stay with what works for them, and unknowingly projects these traits.[/QOUTE]

Thing is.I tend to detect people's Moon signs way quicker than the Sun Sign position.

Maybe its a skill that I have developed since learning about astrology.But I have noted that its not always when they feel "comfortable".

For many people,the Moon position is a "knee jerk" reaction and is what they return to. Especially when situations are on auto-pilot.

But when I am wrong about the Moon position, I look to the Sun and then the Asc.The Asc is the last resort as experience has also made a certain Sun sign position very obvious to me; namely my opposite sign Gemini.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Comatoes:
I have always felt the ASC simply shows what we "wish" other people would see or think we are, but sometimes the ASC is weaker than the Sun/Moon and that is why you can get more peaks at the Sun/Moon signs.

I do notice stronger ASC like Leo, Aries, Capricorn, Sagittarius, Scorpio or strongly aspected ascendants tend to show themselves more. So you get more of the ASC coming through, but it really depends on chart.

I may edit this later when I think more about it.

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I do agree with you that the Asc is what we wished others saw of us. A sort of "coping" mechanism in some cases and a mask in others etc.

When i am interviewing for a position, I embody the Asc position hook line and sinker.Maybe its in cases where one has to make a great impression? And they only have one chance to do it?

I don't think its something inborne though, but something learned to cope with the environment one is in.That is why its "weak" with some and "strong" with others.

I don't believe that it has anything to do with the "strength" of a sign at all.

George Clooney has the laid back Taurus Sun and business-like Cap Moon.

Cap Moon,though often making the natives very good looking,tends to have them also come off as standoffish,formal,rigid and impenetrable.

This should be the George Clooney I see in interviews.Not the guy who looks like he could listen to all your problems with your baby mama.

Even in those conditions,I understand that he may be in "interview" mode; putting his best foot forward.What he thinks the viewers want to see of him i.e Pisces Asc

"The Rock" Dwayne John has the same combo of Sun/Moon in Taurus/Cap respectively. But I missed the moon position with him too.

I thought the Moon was in Gemini/Aquarius.He just didn't struck me as the ordinary Taurus at all. His verbosity on WWE didn't mirror earth energy to me at all.

But alas,it is his Asc in Libra that I was seeing; making him come off as the guy who is artful with words and comebacks- instead of someone off who is "matter of fact"(as his Moon in Cap would suggest).

posted November 29, 2014 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Perhaps because it isn't supposed to be the obvious one. [/B]

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posted November 29, 2014 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
My asc is the one I feel the least in my whole chart.
Plus, videos posted here have kind of confirmed it as everyone pointed out Leo first of all (my sun) and then would say "I see the Gemini too" (my moon) as if it came in 2nd.
No one has ever mentioned Libra.
People even see the Virgo before it and that's my 12th.

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I think that may be because you were just being yourself and not trying to make an impression.Or sell something.

I could be sold on the idea that the Asc is our "best foot forward".Therefore a position that we consciously develop.

posted November 29, 2014 05:54 PM            

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Originally posted by fishbull11:
[B]I would say it depends as things go along and energies develop and mature over other energies, but that is coming from someone with mutable signs in strength so it may not be that way for others. I know over time my moon and asc how taken over more role than sun energy, sun doesn't quite shine through over fire energy that takes more of the cake these days for my siutation./B]

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posted November 29, 2014 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Hmmm...all my personal planets are in hard aspects with outer planets and they influence me ALOT. My asc is in 0.08 aspect with Uranus as is my Mars.

Venus is in 1 degree aspect with Uranus (square). Also conjunct Saturn.

Sun and Moon are square Pluto.

My moon, sun and asc are very hidden I feel by "energies" of outer planets, especially Uranus.

I have a hard time finding my Cancer sun and feel secure there without Uranus knocking on door saying "Ummm HELLO!!? I am the Boss of things here!"

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That is interesting. I enjoy an exact conjunct aspect with Neptune, but I must say that before I even started reading up on conjunctions, I could readily identify with my Sun -sign energy.

In my case, that has never been an issue. Sometimes I am not sure which is responding as Jupiter themes often overlap with Neptune.

posted November 29, 2014 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
No one ever "guesses" I'm Virgo Asc, to do that you need to know the signs quite well. However, when I hear people describe me it sounds like Virgo all the way. It's only later, if they stick around, they get to meet chatty Gemini sun, or unruly Sag moon.

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posted November 29, 2014 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
Ehhh most people see neither individually because my Sun/Moon/Asc all aspect each other anyway.

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You are lucky. that means that they all work together.

posted November 29, 2014 06:30 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
I can hardly pick up someone's ascendant unless I pay a lot of attention on the person's appearance and life approach.

I would assume similar things for myself. I'm mostly Saturnian so people pick that up. They also pick up my aqua stellium and if the hang out with me longer, the aries moon (I don't have any other fire planet).

However, the taurus ascendant requires someone to be perceptive to catch up: I always sit at the same spot, wear very comfy but fashionable clothes, care about appearances, methodological, like to be in a comfortable place.

This reminds me of Miley Cyrus... People thought she was sag Asc for awhile before it turns out she's a taurus rising. Most people apparently pick up her sag and scorpio moon energy

I honestly would do a lot better guessing someone's mars, moon,Venus than Asc.

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I often guess people's Moon/Mars positions accurately.

I have Taurus Asc too and most people say that I am well-spoken.

Now I don't know if that is a Taurus Asc trait? Or related to my Sag Sun? But i have lots that I want to express.

I think I have answered my own question.

The Asc position is not a fixed position that shows itself up consistently after all.Exactly as suggested by some of the responses. It depends on the individual and the situations that one finds himself in.

posted November 30, 2014 10:39 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I think my Virgo ASC and Capricorn Sun mesh well. They're trine widely. My Libra Moon is kind of the 3rd wheel. It isn't square Sun.

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Virgo differs from Libra energy a lot. Do you find yourself a little more anal in stressful situations? Getting very worked up and nervous?

Perhaps the question can also be asked from a broader point of view. When do you feel yourself getting very tense,worrisome and concerned with details?

Cap Sun tends to keep its cool in times like that.Only stressing internally.Whilst Libra Moon looks for support from others(I think).

posted December 01, 2014 05:32 AM            

I think it's sometimes easier to guess sun and moon because are alert to that sense of overall person whilst even they may be relating in a way typical of asc.

I'm sag moon and taurus sun but I don't feel like a sag moon in a material sense - it is only like I'm sag in certain ways of reacting and tendencies. It's like a current but the body of water is my sun. Asc is man-made banks to contain and control it all.

posted December 01, 2014 05:52 AM            

And yes! The Leo is there always and usually approaches things in a Scorpionic way.

posted December 01, 2014 07:56 AM            

especially if it's in aspect to Pluto.

posted December 01, 2014 01:15 PM            

I see the ascendant as how you were conditioned to behave. That's why we fall to it when we need to make an impression. I'm a virgo ascendant. Ben proper and polite was ingrained in my childhood so that is my mask to this day.