posted December 02, 2014 02:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Just because I disagree with you, I'm "oblivious" and in "denial"? I'm sorry if I offended you, but the insults are wholly unnecessary. Moreover, I never denied the existence of persisting bigotry to begin with.

I live in the South, where there is a high population of non-whites. I encounter racial mixing in my everyday life. I do not live in a pristine bubble, separated from the problem. But I believe there is a different solution to it. Children are born pure, naive, and free from bigotry. That behavior is taught to them by their older relatives, by the irresponsible things parents allow their children to see, and by a lack of pro-active child rearing. Negative reinforcement is much easier to apply and stick into a child's psyche.

The laws were already fixed decades ago. We just need to solve our own attitude problems in the present. And that means not forcing the children to carry on the current and past generations' grudges.

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posted December 02, 2014 02:52 AM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
so true...
but some think that colorblindness exists (lol) and that if we stop talking about stuff...it will go away.
sure, let's stop talking about sexual harassment, assaults and rapes...and....they'll def. go away
there are two types of laws, the law in the books and the law of the beholder.

im very optimistic with what's going on in the usa.
when i used to live there, i got the impression that people were so passive and complacent.
and, it was quite a shock! some americans might not know it but the usa was very inspirational as to civil rights models in other countries....it was a trendsetter in a way.
so....this is nice to see. that you guys still have that fighting spirit.

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posted December 05, 2014 04:29 PM            

And then a couple of weeks ago T Mars conjunct Pluto added more fuel to the fire.

posted December 05, 2014 06:07 PM              

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
I'm inclined to disagree with you both. I feel racial problems persist because people keep talking about and making an issue out of them. The seeds of bigotry begin the moment the older generation opens their mouth in front of impressionable youth. A young child probably would have never doubted the police wouldn't do their job solely on the basis of their skin color unless the notion was suggested beforehand (whether it's true of the particular officer or not). We live in a lawfully equal society - this isn't the Dark Ages, anymore. Give the young generation the chance to mould their own future devoid of the older generation's misgivings.

Be kind and thoughtful to your neighbors, no matter how they look. As the Sufi adage goes, "Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates. At the first gate, ask yourself 'Is it true?'. At the second gate, ask yourself 'Is it necessary?'. At the third gate, ask yourself, 'Is it kind?'." This alone will cure many issues.

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Exactly. So well said. Fortunately the world is changing and a lot of people think and are this way. It's just going to take time, patience and passing the torch.

posted December 05, 2014 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Exactly.

My generation is now taking the torch from those who fought for justice in the 60's & 70's. Passivity is never the way to go.

It's about damn time. Long overdue.

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posted December 05, 2014 08:56 PM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
so true...
but some think that colorblindness exists (lol) and that if we stop talking about stuff...it will go away.
sure, let's stop talking about sexual harassment, assaults and rapes...and....they'll def. go away
there are two types of laws, the law in the books and the law of the beholder.

im very optimistic with what's going on in the usa.
when i used to live there, i got the impression that people were so passive and complacent.
and, it was quite a shock! some americans might not know it but the usa was very inspirational as to civil rights models in other countries....it was a trendsetter in a way.
so....this is nice to see. that you guys still have that fighting spirit.

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That is the downside of the US placements, better to be passive and sweep things under the rug than facing the truth. The astrology makes sense, since patterns like these happen almost every 84 years (read this somewhere, will source later).

The minute you stop talking about disparities is the second the individual and collective society loses power. Victim mentality is key to the existence of the conservative movement (*coughFOXNEWScough*). To challenge the issue of racism in recent cases means that you are essentially challenging the victimhood of those killed by police. Without believing the myths of thug and dangerous to paint victims as monsters rather than a racially inept justice system, this viewpoint essentially falls part. And of course, we've seen this technique used to manipulate the general public many times, usually with disastrous results and to the immense financial benefit of the people behind it.

posted December 05, 2014 09:39 PM              

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Originally posted by Southern Sun:
Seeing the prelude to Sag Saturn square Pisces Neptune... battle of wills between logic and emotion in the public minds, and it looks like emotion is winning.

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posted December 05, 2014 09:49 PM              

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Originally posted by Southern Sun:
Seeing the prelude to Sag Saturn square Pisces Neptune... battle of wills between logic and emotion in the public minds, and it looks like emotion is winning.

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posted December 05, 2014 09:58 PM            

It seems very emotional to me in the sense that we're being subjected to anecdotal cases. I'd like to see statistics and a really dry/sober look at the situation.

But a good observation. I never pay attention to transits on their own so I was looking at the transits applied to the US chart.

posted December 05, 2014 10:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Eh, I'm not optimistic because I see too much misguided hate around me. Yes many people have a fighting spirit in my generation (millennials) but without knowing exactly what they're fighting for or which side they're on. The media is driving us farther apart and there is a huge lack of critical thinking thus more people are blindly following ideas that have no substance and only play on emotion. At least in my experience.
Basically, I think we're a hot mess. But maybe it's necessary for us to be a hot mess and experience violence and power struggles so that we can transform. Seeing as a lot of millennials have pluto in scorpio.

Just my 2 cents

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I'd like to quote this as well, because this is exactly my belief on people my age getting swept up in the evolving events brought on by Uranus Square Pluto. I don't believe many of us really know where we're going, or what we're building on for the future, or why we are fighting.

I'm part of the 89-92 Capricorn stellium "millenial" group... I never felt the absolute need to jump into every public event that blew my way. It needed to be worth risking my reputation and personal life for--a worthy cause to throw my heart into. More often than not, I find myself on the opposite side of popular public opinion defending the accused, but only to say "calm down, and think before you speak! Question everything and check the facts!" But that Aries Uranus effect, it's mighty strong with swaying public feelings.

posted December 06, 2014 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Leorpio:
What we are seeing is the start of the new age and the failure of the dark cabal to continue bring able to hide their corruption and darkness. The darkness and filth of this world is now out on display for all to see so that they may finally stand up and say enough is enough. This is all according to divine plan and we are witnessing the death of old 3d fear-based earth while simultaneously participating in and watching the birth of 5d Nova earth based in love. The cabal (or Illuminati as they are known) and their system will fall much quicker than anyone is expecting (as in next year) so no, this is unlike anything we have witnessed or anything anyone alive has witnessed. Rejoice, for the Age of Aquarius is upon us and disclosure will happen next year (in may) so all is well.

On disclosure BTW, I and many starseed friends have been discussing this and we have all been told by our guides that mid may will be when the governments of the world publicly acknowledge the existence of the many e.t. races and civilizations that are participating in the building of new earth at this time and they will publicly disclose their relations with the e.t.s they have met. This event alone will completely change the earth and will completely harrald the death of the old earth (thank ******* God)!!!!

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posted May 01, 2015 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Leorpio:
What we are seeing is the start of the new age and the failure of the dark cabal to continue bring able to hide their corruption and darkness. The darkness and filth of this world is now out on display for all to see so that they may finally stand up and say enough is enough. This is all according to divine plan and we are witnessing the death of old 3d fear-based earth while simultaneously participating in and watching the birth of 5d Nova earth based in love. The cabal (or Illuminati as they are known) and their system will fall much quicker than anyone is expecting (as in next year) so no, this is unlike anything we have witnessed or anything anyone alive has witnessed. Rejoice, for the Age of Aquarius is upon us and disclosure will happen next year (in may) so all is well.

On disclosure BTW, I and many starseed friends have been discussing this and we have all been told by our guides that mid may will be when the governments of the world publicly acknowledge the existence of the many e.t. races and civilizations that are participating in the building of new earth at this time and they will publicly disclose their relations with the e.t.s they have met. This event alone will completely change the earth and will completely harrald the death of the old earth (thank ******* God)!!!!

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posted May 01, 2015 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Racism, sexism, etc most certainly still DOES exist. There have been great improvements over the years, but you still have people who are now fighting to take us BACKWARDS - including crooked cops.

You are completely oblivious. And that 'denial' is a huge part of why the problem isn't yet solved.

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*standing ovation*

posted May 01, 2015 07:31 PM            

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Originally posted by amisha121877:
I'm going to say the police issue - (my opinion is that it seems to me they are judge/jury/executioner when they shouldn't be given such power) - has to do with Pluto in Capricorn. Top that with Capricorn's ruler Saturn moving from Scorpio to Sagittarius) plus the contact Pluto is making with Uranus, and what was kept in the dark, is coming to light.

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Agreed.

posted May 01, 2015 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Simple. Pluto in Capricorn.
Pluto destroys illusions of power, it brings out the ugliness and destruction of the sign in which it transits.
Capricorn rules over authorities, incl police.
Seems inevitable.

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posted May 01, 2015 10:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
But man this was interesting. It's the first time I've seen the USA natal chart and it is very fitting.

Do many people find the natal chart of nations accurate?

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The chart posted is the Sibley chart based on the signing of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776, and is generally regarded as the chart for the U.S. But, the time has been subject to debate and there are other charts out there, notably the U.S. Gemini rising chart.

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tUranus in Aries would be the one to stir up some issues when opposing Saturn.

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Pluto opposing the Sun, is that a power trip? Especially Pluto in Capricorn(authority) opposing Sun in Cancer which should express more of a nurturing nature. I'm kinda surprised the US has so many Cancer placements. You would think a nation born with so many aspects in Cancer would be more nurturing in its world role.

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Transiting Pluto was conjunct the U.S. Sun during the Great Depression in the 1930s. I wonder what the economic ramifications will be now with the opposition?

I also think Pluto in Capricorn opposing the U.S. Sun is about the capture of government by corporations, which is no longer a democracy or a republic, but an oligarchy. The Occupy movement was/is? a manifestation of Uranus in Aries against the 1% (Pluto in Capricorn).

I also think we're seeing the Pluto opposition Sun in that U.S. hegemony is weakening globally, despite having the most powerful military in the world. And, China is now the world's #1 economy.

William Blum's "Rogue State," or John Perkins "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man," show just how ruthless the "interests" of the state are pursued around the world.

posted May 01, 2015 11:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
I easily see the Cancer influence. The States tend to operate on taking the hurt and wounded "under its wing".

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"The States?" State governments are not all the same. Some do, some don't. There are states who have refused federal funds for social programs like health care on ideological grounds or enacted policies hostile to the working class.

posted May 01, 2015 11:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I may be the oldest person on these boards; I know I'm old enough to be the mother or grandmother of most who post here.

This is nothing new; it has been happening for decades if not centuries, although the frequency of police killings of unarmed, minimally armed, and/or mentally ill citizens does seem to be increasing (there are no good statistics on the phenomenon, believe it or not).

I, for one, am glad to see a glimmer of hope that the activism of the 60s and 70s will return. We have been far too passive against government intrusion into and control of our lives the last decade or two, and too ready to accept the lie that we are a post-racial society. It's sad to think of all the young adults who have known no other way.

I don't believe there is or should be an astrological explanation for everything, although the chart and explanations posted so far seem to be reasonable.

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posted May 02, 2015 02:14 AM            

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Transiting Pluto was conjunct the U.S. Sun during the Great Depression in the 1930s. I wonder what the economic ramifications will be now with the opposition?

I also think Pluto in Capricorn opposing the U.S. Sun is about the capture of government by corporations, which is no longer a democracy or a republic, but an oligarchy. The Occupy movement was/is? a manifestation of Uranus in Aries against the 1% (Pluto in Capricorn).

I also think we're seeing the Pluto opposition Sun in that U.S. hegemony is weakening globally, despite having the most powerful military in the world. And, China is now the world's #1 economy.

William Blum's "Rogue State," or John Perkins "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man," show just how ruthless the "interests" of the state are pursued around the world.

As for nurturing, domestically? We've been at war for decades, spend more than all other nations combined on "defense," but won't strengthen the social safety net or fund universal health care.

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I think that the US has a definite nurturing streak. But, much like these riots have LARGELY dominated national attention, despite weeks of peaceful protesting prior barely getting a shred of coverage, likewise, it's easy (and natural) to fixate on the negative. Not saying thats wrong or any opinion about it. Just saying, the US does a lot of good, too, and that shouldnt be entirely forgotten.

The fact is, people expect BETTER of the US, and thats why they are all the more fixated on their blunders. If they were another country (not any other country, not making any statements about other places, mind you. Just, different than what THEY are), with another population, it wouldnt be such a topic of interest when their hidden corruption in the power structure starts to show. I think the US came to be to CHALLENGE such power structures (many have risen and fallen for this purpose); we arent serving out purpose if we arent going to 'war with ourselves' (which implies we have good reason to), to be better. Blind patriotism of course, is always the other choice, which makes sense with all that cancer. Free will. So it doesnt surprise me at all that it is such a dark issue, so rapidly, in their own history. As a Capricorn with a strong saturn, this makes sense to me.

I was born with saturn-pluto-venus in 4H scorpio, a sag 5H stellium (FREEDOM!) centered around my moon and the great awakener's conjunction, cap sun-merc in 6h, mars in libra in 3h, chiron in the 10th @ the anaretic degree exactly opp venus, cancer in 12h, TNN-vesta exact in 11H gem ... just to name a few. I think if we look at all of my peers or younger and collect aggregates, it would be easy to see. My chart, every planet bundled together in no more than 70 odd degrees, and everything being where it is says nothing if it doesnt say "you are here for a very specific reason, this time, and it has to do with the masses waking up.' I was also born and raised in Baltimore. I have known from a young age that this was what I, and my generation, are here for. I also think it is no coincidence that technology has manifested in such an aquarian way in this age, as it has, is so important to us, and is playing such a pivotal role.

ARPANET adopted TCP/IP on *January 1, 1983*, and from there researchers began to assemble the “network of networks” that became the modern Internet.

And yes, I think this day is the starting point for millennials, (though it could just as easily BEGAN with earlier Libra saturns, around scorp is when the 'surge' happened. No coincidence either that this is coinciding with us sat-plutos first saturn return into scorpio, and will continue on into sag, and then capricorn. All in preparation, I believe, for that other sign it traditionally rules with uranus, Aquarius. Pluto enters Aqua in 2023, saturn (aqua) and pluto (cap) both at the anaretic degree on March 7th. taur uranus and scorp solar opp on Nov 13 2023 -- this solar-uranus opp will cause the the great awakener to 'disappear' from sight. Pluto will be back in cap at this time. If we insist that there is nothing new under the sun, we will make it so. This is the time to fully and forcefully reject tightly controlled conditions. IMO, at this point, the questions are gone. It's time for answers, choices. Makes me think about a metaphor re: nietzsche's eternal re-occurrence. Either you realise you have been a fool, the the world is not flat! It is round! The sun does not every go down, it only goes AROUND. Keep sailing until the sun rises over the horizon once more, and with that comes your evidence to support a new world. Or, you stick to the idea that the earth is flat, and in doing so, manifest the reality of yourself as 'the last man'. Fall into that self-made abyss that is nihilism.... It can go either way.

I do NOT believe that the latter is the route we are taking. Im afflicted with pronoia -- the belief that the universe is conspiring in our favour. HUGE things are going to happen. HUGE. Technology will almost certainly be hugely involved --

http://www.mooncatsastrology.com/astro2/pluto-forecast.htm

[URL=http://in5d.com/expect-huge-changes-during-this-rare-astrological-alignment/#]http://in5d.com/expect-huge-changes-during-this-rare-astrological-alignment/#

Also interesting:

posted May 03, 2015 01:01 AM            

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What's going on with all the negativity toward the police? What are the astrological aspects creating these power tensions?

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The Uranus-Pluto Cycle and Race Riots

The 1967 Detroit riot began in the early morning hours on Saturday, July 23, 1967. The event that triggered the riot was a police raid on an after hours bar known as "Blind Pig." A confrontation between the police and patrons of the bar and people on the street escalated into one of the most lethal and destructive riots in U.S. history. The riot lasted for five days and ended when Michigan's Governor ordered the National Guard into Detroit, and President Johnson sent in the army. Forty-three people died, 1,189 were injured, 7,200 arrests were made, and over 2,000 buildings were destroyed.

Fast forward to 2015. The incident which sparked riots in Baltimore was the death of a 25 year old unarmed black man, Freddie Gray, while in police custody. The State's Attorney, Marilyn Mosley, revealed the following facts during a press conference:

that Gray's arrest was illegal and his death was a homicide;

the knife Gray had in his possession was legal under the law and not a switchblade as the police gave as the reason for the arrest;

Gray did not sever his own spinal cord during the ride to the police station. This injury was the result of a failure of police officers to secure Gray with a seat belt. This is a practice used by the Baltimore PD called "rough ride," in which a prisoner is handcuffed and transported without a seat belt and then jostled while the driver stops short, accelerates quickly and makes sudden turns. The driver of the police van is being charged with second degree murder and "depraved heart murder," among other charges. Five other officers are also being charged.

Tom Hayden, a former anti-war activist and California state senator, was interviewed recently on Democracy Now and said in 1967, Baltimores were everywhere in the U.S.

These riots are a correlation with the Uranus-Pluto cycle through time. As in the 1960s, we are seeing protests and riots erupting across the country against police violence.

The City of Baltimore has paid 5.7 million dollars from 2011 to 2014 to victims of police brutality.

"Victims include a 15-year-old boy riding a dirt bike, a 26-year-old pregnant accountant who had witnessed a beating, a 50-year-old woman selling church raffle tickets, a 65-year-old church deacon rolling a cigarette and an 87-year-old grandmother aiding her wounded grandson. Those cases detail a frightful human toll. Officers have battered dozens of residents who suffered broken bones — jaws, noses, arms, legs, ankles — head trauma, organ failure, and even death, coming during questionable arrests. Some residents were beaten while handcuffed; others were thrown to the pavement."
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/the-brutality-of-p olice-culture-in-baltimore/391158/

When two planets are in aspect, there is a mutual activation. With Uranus-Pluto, Uranus liberates and awakens whatever it touches. In this case, it liberates the part of the human psyche, individually and collectively, associated with our most basic instincts, desires, and needs, including the instinct for survival. In psychology, this part of us is called the "id." This can lead to violence and brutality. Just reading about the Detroit riot in detail as it unfolded, one gets a sense of the Plutonic eruption out of the depths. Pluto intensifies and empowers whatever it touches. In this case, the impulse toward freedom and rebellion. This is why with this combination, uprisings and rebellions occur on a global scale and are most often violent. Even in situations where peaceful protesters are non-violent, they are met with state violence, or initially peaceful movements turn into armed insurrections. A few examples during this cycle are the Occupy movement in the U.S., Egypt, and Syria.

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I'm pretty neutral on it. It depends on the specific case for me. I've never had problems with police officers even growing up in the poor bits of NYC.

I couldn't be a police officer, not in their current form. I would of liked to have been a detective but you have to do at least 5 years of patrol work as a police officer to become a detective and I don't relish the idea of dealing with buttheads.

I just see the whole thing as a mixed bag. Some cases there should be rioting, and other cases I feel like everyones mad at the wrong police officer for the actions of earlier cops.

Uranus in Capricorn is definitely a good reason.

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