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IV XXIV
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posted December 01, 2014 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IV XXIV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read many different things on 12th house stelliums, all ranging from a person having a certain "disconnect" with themselves, to an inclination towards addiction issues to escape reality, to being incredibly sensitive/psychic/intuitive.. But one thing I have noticed that is always prominent when discussing 12th house placements and stelliums is the negative connotation to it.

I have Sun in Taurus, Mercury in Aries, Venus in Aries, and Ceres in Aries all in my 12th. I can identify with a lot of things said about 12th house placements but not a large majority of them.. and I can't help but wonder if anyone else feels the same towards their 12th house placements?

Do you feel your 12th house stellium the way most people describe it? How would you describe it? I don't even know how it presents itself in my daily life, all I know is that I love 12th house energy in synastry.

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DeepFreeze
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posted December 01, 2014 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I notice this....
(Mercury, mars, Venus in 12, Virgo)

My love, including all forms of love, not only romantic.
It's reserved for only those very close to me. Others won't see an ounce of it. If I'm hurt then I pull that love and vulnerablility away just like that. Whatever I feel they will never see it.

With mercury I definitely feel that I almost speak a different language. Example, it was pointed out to me that I rarely, if ever pause with "ummmmm" or "uhhhhh". I will just stop mid-sentance with complete silence leaving the other person wondering if I just decided that I'm done. They don't know what the heck is going on!
Just little quirks like that. Or wording things in a way that don't make sense because there are implied things in my head and I assume they will get those with my words. I forget that things need more explanation.

Just a couple of things there.

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posted December 01, 2014 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But yes, somewhat. Escape also but we all have ways of escaping.
Intuitive, very.

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AriesKat
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posted December 02, 2014 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesKat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Scorpy friend always laughs at the way I speak. I find the most complicated ways to say something. I don't use simple words at all, I surprise myself at times with the level of vocab I retain. Im very intuitive that way.

Merc in the 12th

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sis
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posted December 02, 2014 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars, Neptune, NN in the 12th house. ( Sag )

I am an escapist. I escape to my fantasy world whenever the going gets tough. Saturn soon will make a visit to this area. so maybe it's time to face the truth.

I lived a rockroll life style. I smoked dope for about 20 years - not anymore.

I can't distinguish the effects of Mars in the 12th due to the Neptune conjunction..

My energy levels are wavey. Sometimes moving around like a hyperactive, sometimes I am like a vegetable.. not moving at all.. staying in my fantasy world for days. I have a fertile imagination but it's locked up in me...

I feel vibes around me. I can feel people and what they are going through. I am the person people come to when they are going through a transition period.. When someone is insincere I feel it to my bones and it disturbs me hell a lot..

Mars sexuality - I like sex and very open to it but never had an orgasm.. It's always better in my fantasies...


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posted December 02, 2014 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can relate to some of the 12th house descriptions, but most of the time I think that they sound too victim-y.

Disconnect from myself or not knowing myself and what I'm capable of ? nah I dont feel that way. I know myself.

I do feel like escaping the world, but at the same time I know that indulging in such thoughts doesnt do me any good. So I do the next best thing, whenever my immediate emvironments bore me or whenever I feel like escaping, I move to a new place, or do st new. Doing so offers distraction and enjoyment.

sun/merc/venus/neptune/uranus in the 12th house. My chart ruler is in the 1st house though.

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PeterPan
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posted December 02, 2014 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterPan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ive got my moon(taurus) and saturn(aries) in it. supposedly also mercury(taurus) but its only a degree from my asc so i don't really regard it as such.

Well, i DO relate to the secrecy part of the 12th house, there are allot of things im very uncomfortable sharing with others. everything regarding feelings for example i keep to myself, i always keep my cool around others, and when it comes to relationships im not the kind of guy who goes and talks to everyone about it, actually i would love to have a secret relationship no one knew about...

regarding addictions i am as addicted to nicotine as i am food lol(in the form of snus, i don't smoke). I have tried drugs from lsd and cannabis to cocaine but never had any dependece issues, im more of an experimenter when it comes to such things, don't make a habbit of it.

But i see certain positives to it too, the fact that i have gotten so good at keeping my cool makes me seem more grounded and sharp i think. I also am quite intuitive and I'm quick to pick up on it if someone is trying to skew with the truth.

Altough i do think that is also related to all the pluto in my chart, but maybe it's got something to do with the 12th house too, are you the same in that regard?

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rojo_diosa
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posted December 02, 2014 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rojo_diosa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in the 12th can indicate loss of the father early on. there is a great book by Erin Sullivan about "inherited" aspects and links in family charts.
Also: Saturn conjunct north node/which I have. both in Aries, and passed them on to my children, except their Saturn is conjunct South Node.

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mareaire
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posted December 03, 2014 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mareaire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sun, mercury and chiron in the 12th.

i feel like i know myself a lot better than what most 12th house descriptions say a person with these placements can.

i am definitely big on escapism. retreating to my own world is essential. but it is not because i feel like a victim. there is just so much going on in there, deep beneath the surface, i like to visit it frequently. and i can't go there with someone trying to chat me up.

while i am very capable in conversation, i often find it hard to bridge my ideas. it's like words themselves are just not quite potent enough. i really, really enjoy relationships where a psychic connection exists, where it seems like i can transfer images and ideas through the ether, while the words weave in and out of necessity.
if i start talking to someone, i'll get a feeling like they will either understand, or they won't, in which case i'll end all attempts to connect, probably abruptly.

one 12th house description that fits me well is the lack of desire to be in the limelight and working behind the scenes. it's funny because my vocation does put me in the spotlight at times, but it is not my desire(and it took a lot of work to be comfortable there). the same vocation has me working very hard behind the scenes, most people have no idea what i do to make it all happen. and i enjoy that aspect. it's like when the magic is out and seen, i feel very warm inside knowing that it is because of all my hard and unseen work.

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Koho
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posted December 04, 2014 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I absolutely feel my Mars in the 12th. I'm always whining about it. But like someone else said - I have a Neptune aspect (square) to it that makes it somewhat hard to distinguish.

But it's ok. Mars in the 12th is about hidden talents. Once I get into action I am very good. I just wish it could be more sustained. My sign being Aries Mars makes it difficult as well. I am at my best when outside influences force me into producing with immediate consequences. Also at my best while multi tasking.

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charlie
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posted December 04, 2014 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I pondered on this the other day and had a brief moment of clarity!

My progressed chart is pretty strong in me and with Mars, Mercury, Venus, Sun and Asc in Virgo 12H I can conclude that it makes me very secretive! I want everything to be hidden to public eye and I detest flaunting myself. I will hide, only do it for my own well being, how and where I exercise, what I do to my skin to make it luminous, how I gain knowledge and how I think. I will hide where I cut my hair, where I go for walks and where I bought my new car. I just won't speak of it unless I need to. I will hide where I bought my (I haven't bought one..) Hermes bag and where I polish my shoes. I will also hide details about my job.

I don't like questions about myself or what I do.

I don't like having pics taken of me and few exist.

I don't like speaking infront of people.

I don't like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and all other "Look At Me I Exist".Com's

I could easily vanish from society for long periods of time and have people wonder what happened to me, only to resurface later and say nothing about my whereabouts.

To me this is what the 12H is about, for me. I don't like to be on public display. And the public hates it.

Despite all of that, I am extremely aggressive with everything I do. Lot's of "fire" in my soul..My actions are forward but what I divulge is backwards.

Oh,lastly, all those planets (and in natal) are square Neptune so with all said above it also makes me able to sit around people and COMPLETELY disengage and that makes the public even more furious.

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