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iQ
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posted December 16, 2014 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the 6th such square, with one more to go in 2015. Earlier squares had severe undersea tectonic activity, Solar Flares, revolutions by the public against Oligarchy, an Arab Spring,a more humane Vatican under Pope Francis and a more focused understanding of how central bankers loot global economies. All of this accompanied by exponential increase in social networking.

The purpose of this square aspect is a revolutionary attack on old, corrupted establishments.

Today, what is the most orthodox, hypocritical and shameless establishment?
Most will agree, it is Orthodox Religion. And the religion that has seen the least percentage of reform as compared to others is Islam.

Thus, this and the next Pluto-Uranus squares
will focus on shocking the average Muslim into a fresh reformation. Their conscience will be pricked. Everytime they listen to an orthodox preacher, they will have to think about the atrocities of Boko Haram in Nigeria and the Taliban in Pakistan. The Peshawar School attack saw 100 innocent Muslim children murdered by so called Muslim Terrorists, without any apology or any kind of guilt.

If after this, a Muslim does not shed fundamentalism, then can there be any difference between such a person and say a Zombie from shows like "The Walking Dead"?

Uranus is exposing the "Un Dead" Muslims who plant poisonous seeds in civil society. The ones who think that only Muslims go to heaven, who frown on Non-Muslim Friends, who judge the way of life of other societies as less and support the orthodoxy with their prayers and cash.
The Pluto role here is to expose the Wahabbis and Salafis from Saudi Arabia who pump cash into nations like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Somalia, unmindful that this cash is used to indoctrinate the preachers of hatred.

Pakistan has more than 200 nukes now, can the planet be safe if that nation is overrun by the Taliban Zombies?

Every Muslim must introspect. Is it fine to stand for prayer side by side with a terrorist who may have shot children to death?

Is it ok to hug after festoval prayers a man who promoted DVDs and online content to indoctrinate terrorists to take up suicide bombing in Kenya, Nigeria, Kashmir, Afghanistan or Peshawar?

Is it ok to believe in the exact same religious content concocted hundreds of years after the Prophet's death that enables terrorism to flourish?

The Medieval Age scholars seemed to be ahead of their time in reform movements. They used to abrogate even Quranic verses that were deemed obsolete.

Well, this is the best time for the billion plus Muslims who claim to be peaceful to once and for all abrogate the entire 9th Chapter of the Quran as obsolete for the 21st Century. This will instantly enhance the speed of reformation. Muslims have a Divine hint for this act, the 9th Chapter is the only chapter in the Quran which does not have the phrase "In the Name of God". The chapter theoretically has no Divine Sanction.

It is the most misused chapter for human rights abuse and acts of terror against innocents.

And other communities must not sleep on this. Uranus square Pluto is testing every nation.
The other communities must ask every Muslim to consider a rethink on every verse or chapter in any religiously followed text of Muslims. They must ask "Why is your Chapter 9 so anti-Human"? "When will you abrogate negative injunctions?" "What are you doing to prevent indoctrination?". Questions must be asked at every level, from Diplomats to Investors and so on.

That which occurred in Peshawar can occur in any school in the world. It takes just five deranged terrorists to destroy the collective confidence of an entire city. If all of us do not start questioning the Islamic Fundamentalists right away about their stand on Taliban, Fundamentalism and negative injunctions in scriptures, then we all are failing this test of evolution.

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posted December 16, 2014 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 16, 2014 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
This is the 6th such square, with one more to go in 2015. Earlier squares had severe undersea tectonic activity, Solar Flares, revolutions by the public against Oligarchy, an Arab Spring,a more humane Vatican under Pope Francis and a more focused understanding of how central bankers loot global economies. All of this accompanied by exponential increase in social networking.

The purpose of this square aspect is a revolutionary attack on old, corrupted establishments.


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posted December 16, 2014 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well said IQ, I enjoyed reading your input.

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posted December 16, 2014 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for affy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:

Thus, this and the next Pluto-Uranus squares
will focus on shocking the average Muslim into a fresh reformation. Their conscience will be pricked. Everytime they listen to an orthodox preacher, they will have to think about the atrocities of Boko Haram in Nigeria and the Taliban in Pakistan. The Peshawar School attack saw 100 innocent Muslim children murdered by so called Muslim Terrorists, without any apology or any kind of guilt.


Hi iQ,

I condemn the attacks that happened on innocent kids in Pakistan. But I don't think any religion asks its followers to murder children in cold blood.

It is less to do with religion and more to do with what a person wishes for themselves and humanity. If a person chooses to not accept moral ethics, then religion is not to be blamed for that.

I have no doubts regarding your knowledge and I admire your work, but each person interprets the things that is presented to them in their own way. I believe that the Qu'ran is more or less like a story book, it speaks of the events that happened during the time of the Prophet's life time and it spoke of the people that had come in the way of letting Islam go on peacefully.

The post offended me, I don't believe in Islam anymore, but I have studied and grown up with it for a part of my life. I did learn to make my own conclusions and found Islam unacceptable to me because it forbade astrology.

Sorry for the long post, but killing children and Islamic teachings aren't related either.

P.S. It is extremely difficult to live in these times and be a Muslim by design and have people blame you for all the wrong things in the world, when you hold nothing but contempt for the action and disrespect for the people who believe in these things. A religion is a personal choice, not a political campaign.

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posted December 16, 2014 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Affy, historically religion has been used to excuse bad behavior; think about the Spanish inquisition for example but history is filled with many examples of this across different cultures and belief systems...

Religion historically is also used to control behavior.

I don't think IQ said anywhere in his post or implied in his post that practicing Islam religion is bad but he is making the point that extremists misuse religion to excuse bad behavior and this is not the first time in history this happens.

He is mainly referring to people who approach religion in a very dogmatic way and misuse it, missing the point, which tends to be correlated with the orthodox branches of religions.

He picked on Islam bc of the recent news and the astrological link to it with Uranus square Pluto.

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posted December 17, 2014 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry but that doesn't wash.

Muslim people don't wake up some day and hear a preacher and decide they want to kill infidels.

People are the same. Most of us rather live peacefully, eat good food, and spend time with our families.

To say this happened because of fundamentalism is to say the United States was targeted because they hate us for our freedom.

Decades/Centuries of history can not be compacted into simple neat packages of they hate us for our freedom, or that Islam is particularly corrupting.

Christianity can be just as radicalized as Islam. Look at the IRA. Those Irish lads didn't pick up a gun because Christianity's old testament crap wasn't strictly followed. They picked up weapons because of a very complex history between the British and the Irish.

This was a cold military tactic by a force at war with a much larger force. They both have issues with each other, and they both have done atrocities to each other at same point or another.

There is a parallel to be drawn here. Is it more likely these men resorted to brutal tactics because
a) they are extremist that believe in their holy book so much that they'll give up their happy lives for their religion

b) or are these humans with complex history with the government of Pakistan and its Army and have had tragic experiences with that institution prompting them for brutal revenge?

The parallel,

Do minority neighborhoods have more crime because
a) it is something instinctive in the false fallacy of race
or
b) Does poor economic opportunities breed criminals across any social group?

Get what I'm saying?

This is so much less about the religion itself. The religion is something to rally around but the radicalization comes from a long history of brutality in that part of the world

There is a tell in the fact that this was an Army school. They were killing the children of their fighting enemy as a military tactic. This is fueled heavily by hatred.

And no, Pakistans nukes will not fall into the hands of the Taliban. The Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan is a fighting force of ragged 25,000 vs Pakistan's Army of 500,000 active, 500,000 reserve and an Air Force.

For added clarification of where I'm coming from - I'm not religious and my family history isn't from that part of the world. I just believe everything that happens is far more complicated.

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posted December 17, 2014 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had forgotten that the exact square was so close. And then boom, an entire **** storm. That school, another school I forgot where, with 20 kids. Mayhem.

Wouldn't say the square caused it, but it's sure reflecting some heavy things~

It's like the conj of the 60s, but, no forward movement. Just chaos for the sake of chaos.
Lives hurt and people shattered. For nothing.

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posted December 17, 2014 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for affy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Affy, historically religion has been used to excuse bad behavior; think about the Spanish inquisition for example but history is filled with many examples of this across different cultures and belief systems...

Religion historically is also used to control behavior.

He picked on Islam bc of the recent news and the astrological link to it with Uranus square Pluto.


Hi hypatia I agree with you completely on the fact that religion is used as a shield for bad behavior.. It is true, everyone is looking to wash their hands off of the crimes they commit and have no justification for.

But picking on Islam for the attacks that happened for a military purpose (yes, their reason for killing kids was provoked by vengeance and not for religious fulfillment) is invalid. Nobody blames the Jewish or Muslim beliefs for what is happening between Israel Palestine.. In India, nobody blames the rapes on Hindu beliefs.. It just doesn't go.

There are outdated beliefs in almost every religion, because they were created a long time ago and to abide by them verbatim is illogical. To interpret them for the times and follow that is how most people would go about it.

The reason why I don't want to go too much into the religious aspects about the post that iQ made was because this thread isn't meant for that, it is meant for the kids and to pray for their souls and the loved ones they left behind. But the unnecessary religion bashing is what irked me.

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posted December 17, 2014 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for affy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Koho, thank you. I think you pretty much nailed what I was trying to say. I agree with your post. Speaking without being affiliated to any religion, the problems we see in general in the world have nothing to do with any institutions, it has to do only with human beings and what they believe is right.

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posted December 17, 2014 07:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi All,
Christians had powerful reformation and renaissance movements, this helped in their evolution. Today, the Scandinavian societies stand out as examples of evolved human potential where the best of Christianity has been applied. The worst of the Inquisition's Dark ages are over for Christianity. Hindus have paid a heavy price for Casteism and are now steadily reforming [albeit slowly].

The same has not been allowed to happen in Islamic Societies, and this is what really needs to change. Fundamentalists program youngsters to be very serious about their faith and so on, this may seem like a great thing as kids will avoid alcohol, drugs, pron etc. But once immersed in religion, the preacher with an agenda of terror can use the "Sword Verses" to justify violence against all civilians.

If all moderate Muslims who love Islam for the sake of Monotheism rise up in one voice and say enough to the misused "hadiths" or misinterpreted verses, then the Scholars will have to evolve and force a change in their mindset.

Why should orthodox Islam ever be used to ban Astrology or any advanced philosophy for Muslims?

Some of us are looking at the complexity of the "Fruit", the tribal wars and so on, but the root that poisons this fruit is the misinterpretation of religious texts and the collective denial in our community about all crimes committed in the name of Islam. Not just now, but from the time of the Turkish genocide of Armenians and the invasions of Timur etc.

I feel this is why such a drastic event occurred during a Pluto-Uranus square, there is a definite Design for Evolution going on for Humanity in every such heavy planet aspect, and when we choose to stagnate, then bigger tragedies unfold till we awaken.

I am not picking on Islam, I am a Muslim too and I am seeing first hand the changes in members who become radicalized. It starts with simple things like not celebrating birthdays, wearing headscarf all the time and not having non-Muslim friends. In a few years, the youth join IS or become sleeper agents through non-stop brainwashing in these strict brotherhoods. Why can't Muslim parents across the globe be helped COLLECTIVELY [Uranus rules collective revolution too] to prevent this by fearlessly teaching a modernized Islam and fearlessly say "to hell with orthodox scholars" [square aspect to Pluto in Capricorn Sign, traditionally ruling very large establishments].

I strongly feel this is a renaissance moment for a billion people to rise beyond the shackles of orthodox thought without having to leave their faith in Monotheism. Anyway, my hypothesis will get more clarity in the next Uranus-Pluto square. I hope no more kids are attacked every again by terrorists, anywhere in the world.

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posted December 17, 2014 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 18, 2014 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by affy:
Hi hypatia I agree with you completely on the fact that religion is used as a shield for bad behavior.. It is true, everyone is looking to wash their hands off of the crimes they commit and have no justification for.

But picking on Islam for the attacks that happened for a military purpose (yes, their reason for killing kids was provoked by vengeance and not for religious fulfillment) is invalid. Nobody blames the Jewish or Muslim beliefs for what is happening between Israel Palestine.. In India, nobody blames the rapes on Hindu beliefs.. It just doesn't go.

There are outdated beliefs in almost every religion, because they were created a long time ago and to abide by them verbatim is illogical. To interpret them for the times and follow that is how most people would go about it.

The reason why I don't want to go too much into the religious aspects about the post that iQ made was because this thread isn't meant for that, it is meant for the kids and to pray for their souls and the loved ones they left behind. But the unnecessary religion bashing is what irked me.


The thread was to honor the kids but also to raise awareness on the role religion takes and to discuss its relevance astrologically.

A lot of people side with Israel but there are also many people including Jewish people who are against the war between Israel and Palestine and do think that is very much about religion and feel Israel should not be fighting this war at all.

People start to be able to think analytically in their teens and that is just the beginning of this ability. When you are born and you are taught religion before you can reason that is a form of conditioning and brain washing. You are forcing beliefs on kids who can't understand or question what they are been taught and it results in them normalizing the beliefs in their heads and often growing up never questioning those beliefs bc by then indoctrination has taken place.

If the conditioning is reinforced very strongly and done just right it can lead to people doing atrocities in the name of religion bc that way they can rationalize and excuse their actions so they don't feel guilty but instead feel a sense of righteousness. Even if is true that the reason behind it its vengeance it doesn't change that religion is been used as a crutch to rationalize and excuse their actions so yes very orthodox and fundamentalist views its indeed a variable that in combination with other variables facilitates the kind of group think and biased thinking that can lead to such actions in the name of religion.

Mind you I am not referring to the example IQ is using but I mean this in general; you can apply what I just said to the war between Jerusalem and Palestine which at its roots it is religious, or to the spanish inquisition or to some Islam fundamentalists who engage in acts of violence in the name of their religion. Note, I do think 911 was an inside job as those buildings did not fall like they should if they were hit by an airplane among other things that don't add up in connection to the twin towers and also there is building 7 which collapsed that same day coincidentally and was not hit by a "plane."

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posted January 08, 2015 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Up Up!
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As Pluto is in 13º Cap and Sun just passed by this degree, I'd say it's a good time to clean-up! - A good Karmic-Release period for those of us who have this Sabian very prominent: A Fire worshipper - 13th Cap.

So,
I think 13th Cancer is just waiting patiently for us, symbol of flexibility, lack of rigidness and a lot of Tolerance.
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A bit of Faith and Hope is never bad I guess!

So, let's hope all changes come in a good way


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posted January 10, 2015 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(biting)

just like to quickly add (and this is specifically for Muslims, or those who once identified as Muslims) that the restriction in Islam is not on astrology. Astrology is a science. The Hadith which forbids sihr (magic, fortune-telling, etc.) is complex, and is used by all sorts of people against other people, even sufi sheikhs. As you well know, interpretation is key, and for accurate interpretation you need to bring Hadith, Quran, Seerah, Fiqh, and the language and grammatical sciences of Arabic...You shouldn't let one family member or one "scholar" give you an answer, and take it. Just as many westerners are illiterate in the sense that they are not familiar with their own history or classical literature and arts, so are the majority of modern day Muslims regarding Islam, which is why we have the conditions we do today. You should consult a sufi sheikh regarding this issue, and only one who you are sure follows the Sunnah.

Oh- and what I find extreme, is saying that the hijab is extreme.

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posted January 10, 2015 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the issue is not a religious reformation issue. It is an issue of education. Go the reform religion route and you're grasping at something that isn't there.

That's why you don't see ""moderate"" Muslims out in the streets protesting and "speaking out". What are they protesting? The 'Islamic Board of Islamic Education'(?) In countries controlled by governments propped up, financed, and protected by the United States?

Saudi is the worst offender. Have you ever been? Who is the Saudi kingdom's top supporter and protector?

Oh my goodness. I keep editing. I am off this thread.

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