posted December 17, 2014 12:08 PM            

I'd always had the short-form birth certificate (the one that never indicated my birth time) I eventually learned of course that it is imperative to find that out, if possible. But I went to my aunt, to inquire if she could at all recall when I was born. See, my mother passed away when I was 15, and I am forever estranged from the father. So my aunt was the next best bet because she was very close to my mother.

My father's birth date is February 6th. My aunt joked that my mother almost had me on his birth date but midnight came and then so did I - On February 7th. Thus, I've been foolishly believing that bit of information and deduced that I am a Scorpio Rising. Well, as of last week…I dug deeper and have felt that I don't really think so anymore…

2 yrs ago I did send away for the long form BC and to my shock, it too, had no birth time recorded (?) But, I didn't fret too much because in studying my "supposed chart" a lot seemed to make sense. Though I seriously question her guess, what stuck out is the fact that she stated "my mom was already at the hospital in labor on the 6th, and when I came on the 7th, it was definitely before morning sunrise"

posted December 17, 2014 01:19 PM            

And use the info at hand. You may find that your Asc is not too far off from where you are i.e

My Sister's Asc is conjunct my father's Sun
My Mother's Moon is conjunct Sister 1's Sun
My Father's Moon is conjunct my Sun
My 2nd Sister's Asc is opposite my Mom's Sun
My Asc is conjunct Sister 1's Sun

Watch Lauren Delsack's videos. She is good!!!

I empathize. It's very frustrating. It took me AGES!!! to finalize mine. But I think it's correct now.

posted December 17, 2014 05:21 PM            

Then if you are lucky, the 2 ASC left over will be quite different and you'll be able to pick from those two.

From there you can confirm with more in depth study like life events, etc. It's not easy though.

What time were you using to get your Scorpio ASC? Check what time sun rose on the day you were born too. I guess if it was in winter it could have been late.

Don't give up on your aunt yet though. Ask her again for more details about what happened that day. If she went to the hospital what time, etc.

posted December 17, 2014 10:55 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I think checking Saturn and seeing what house it is in and how you feel about each of the houses may help you eliminate a couple of ASCs. Then from there it could well be easier.

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I second this, as well as all house placements in general. Read different house placements for your planets and see if they sound accurate. As you narrow it down, start to look for aspects to the ascendant or midheaven and read on any of them as well.

posted December 17, 2014 11:37 PM            

Matching your personality up to the correct rising sign is most of the job.

http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rising-signs-2/#scorpio

Just understand that, depending on where the planets were, there can occasionally be some cross-confusion created by say having an actual Asc closely conjunct Pluto in Libra, making you seem Scorpio-like. In other words, signs are general, so by themselves cannot be relied on to be 100% sure of the correct Asc degree. That's where it gets complicated.

posted December 18, 2014 02:20 AM            

After some concentration, for the next few days, I plan to post my photo for possible interpretation.

posted December 18, 2014 06:51 AM            

Then, ask someone else [preferably a Knowflake who does not know you personally] to compare this to the 12 Ascendant descriptions.

Then, check your chart with the Ascendant that comes closest to what your contact picked.

Repeat this process, this time think deeply for more than an hour and come up with the deeper traits. Be very very honest with yourself. These need to be compared for Sun in 12 Houses and Moon in 12 Houses [Never use the Ascendant in the 2nd Iteration].

These steps will easily help in identifying your Ascendant.

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posted December 18, 2014 03:42 PM            

* Very, very, very strong attachment to my mother. She passed when I was 15, and I barely had a relationship with her…was kept away from her for lengths of time. She suffered with drug addictions off and on, but for whatever odd reason, I hold her high on a pedestal in my heart…

* Estranged from the father. Permanently scarred me. Tough upbringing with some traumatic situations involved.

* Was immensely happy, being in closed quarters at home. I didn't care much at all to be out in the streets have fun like the average child likes to.

* Tomboy. Love neutral colors. Love sweatpants. I feel my sexiest in dark colors and loose (somewhat edgy) attire.

* When I am out, I am very serious within an atmosphere. I am not shy whatsoever. I'm the female who enters a gathering of whatever kind, and never sits in the corner. I'm present, being myself and not intimidated.

* Married very young. He was a Gemini.

* Currently considering marriage again, with a Leo Sun.

* I find TRUE bliss being at home. Seclusion brings me so much joy and peace. My home has to smell really good, and the colors have to be neutrals (no reds) no bright colors at all.

* I am generous with money and items; I do not expect anything in return. I believe giving is more rewarding. However I can't stand sharing food

* I obsess over any health hiccups. Minor to major, I become whiny as hell EVERY day about aches and concerns.

* Rainy days replenish my soul. I can't explain it, it's VERY euphoric. Sunny days drain me. I'm also nocturnal.

* Communication is SUPER important to me. I need intellectual and diverse friends/associates. I need this in my relationships as well. Not being able to converse with like-minded ppl actually bothers me a great deal.

* I was a serial monogamous when I was young, then once I decided to be single I used men only for intimacy when I wanted it. I even preferred married men a few years back because they were the easiest to keep from wanting a commitment. - I never sought them out, the 2 I dealt with pursued me and I didn't reject them. They were both Capricorn Suns.

* Very short temper. Road rage [so I'm sticking with the Aries Moon placement]

* I prefer "status" like career avenues. Those that actually require discipline and fearlessness. Military, police, EMS etc. Professions that guarantee great benefits and are usually noble. Medical field is great as well.

* Very weird about friendships. On one hand, I wish I had 1-2 very good girlfriends. On the other, I don't. I run hot/cold with females very quick if they can't respect my need for space.

* Intimacy has to be aggressive. I don't like the "interlude" aspect. Dirty talk is a turn on.

* I think about revenge, but I never act on it. I am calculating. Half of me wants to react violently but the sense of consequences always flashes in mind, always.

* I'm unsure about religion now. It's so cut and dry - dogmatic ppl irritate me. Some years I'm really into being in the church environment and study, but recent years I'm more spiritual and into the metaphysical of course.

* Music is my air.

* I hate working out…

* Once I despise you, there's no turning back…

* I rely on my intuition

ETC.

Thus far, I'm leaning more on Capricorn Rising…Scorpio Rising is there but I'm still pivoting away from that.

posted December 18, 2014 04:33 PM            

But I think you need to put up your chart so we can compare what you are saying to the chart.

Again, when you thought you were a Scorpio ASC did that resonate with you or did you always think it was off?

What time were you using? What is the range of times that you think could be right? Are we talking about from midnight to sunrise? If so maybe put up the chart with the time in the middle of that range.

posted December 18, 2014 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
That's a great start!

But I think you need to put up your chart so we can compare what you are saying to the chart.

Again, when you thought you were a Scorpio ASC did that resonate with you or did you always think it was off?

What time were you using? What is the range of times that you think could be right? Are we talking about from midnight to sunrise? If so maybe put up the chart with the time in the middle of that range.

PS, you totally could be a Scop ASC! LOL. But I'd like to see your other placements!

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Thanks dear!!! When I was told that I arrived after midnight a few years back, I danced my natal placements around the chart every 10-15mins up until 1AM based upon "house cusps" in relation to my life up to that point and what seemed to ring true. 12:04AM was more plausible of a time.

Natal Sun in 4H was a focus and that's pretty close to the IC. I am attached to my home (introverted) and because of my traumatic childhood, I need home to be the haven I never had. Saturn, Mars close to the ASC resonated because yes when I am in any environment there is a "presence" so to speak and it's either intimidating or plain old off putting. I do have that kind of vibe and once ppl see me smile and cut up, they're taken aback because it's a serious contrast. I purposely retain the penetrating stance, because I have to dissect any and everybody I'm exposed to. Once I lighten up, you see the laid back Aquarius that I am Hence Natal Sun Square Saturn

Uranus in 2H also stuck out. I have an unusual detachment with material things and money. I keep the bare minimum on material possessions and I give money away (down to my last) because there's just little to no ambition to attain financial fortune smh It's true. Now the Moon riding the 5H/6H cusp also seemed legit because there has been emotional upheaval with love affairs, and I do adore children. But that Moon placement too, made sense with the 6H b/c of my "hypochondriac" approach to health and how it affects my emotional well being.

Venus being situated in the 3H also looked on point b/c I genuinely have a love for communication and writing. Short distance travel resonated…I love taking random rides around town and sightseeing my own city. Road trips are decent. Self-educating is a hobby.

Chiron in 7H, that I never seemed to click with/understand. Didn't seem to fit.

These are just a few things, from this particular chart I've been attached to over the years. I was very "green" with this back then. Of course now I better understand there's much more to rectification than deciphering house cusps…

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posted December 18, 2014 06:18 PM            

Here we have Capricorn ASC And IMO it gets a tad tricky. Clearly I have a heavy earth and water chart. Both elements are of Saturn and Pluto as you can see *sigh* and as you suggested, I focused on Saturn.

Saturn sitting in 10H the topsy turvy strife of solidifying a career is the story of my life. In the work arena, I am often met with problematic co-workers. I take my jobs VERY serious and I'm not the co-worker to have your back if you're doing anything remotely illegal or simply off protocol. There's always been a heavy seriousness in my places of employment. I seem to want to be miss "do right" in this area of my life. I want to be looked up to. However, I've yet to reach ANY form of success with 10H characteristics. I haven't lost faith, but I have been majorly confused about my direction and patiently waiting to figure this out. It's challenging.

Uranus in 11H amused me. When I looked at the chart for the Scorpio rising placement, I saw the 11H cusp was in Virgo. I figured, this sounds true because I go above and beyond for my friends and expect reciprocation. Once those friends failed to match my effort, I cut them off. Very picky and critical. They can't make me look bad in public, but I could never judge them in private. Looking at Uranus in this house seemed just as legit: Needing my freedom and space, as well as the unconventional friendships with girls that lived out of state. Makes it easier to not have to hear from them often and so forth…

Now, that Venus in 12H made me think a bit. A lot about who I am at this point in my life LOVES seclusion and privacy. My love life. I don't like the world to know anything about my love life. And yes, the past "affairs" I've had too.

Moon in 3H Ha! I do get emotionally HOT when I'm not being heard. I'm the type to write (incessantly sometimes) on social media, and if it goes unnoticed or inadequately addressed, I am in my feelings. Attitude. Communication is so so important.

Chiron in 4H I could say so much here…

House Rulers

Ruler of 6H in 1H = Hypochondriac

Ruler of 7H in 3H = Intellectual stimulation with a partner.

Ruler of 4H in 12H = Rooted in retreat and solitude. Unusual attachment to "The mother"…

Just naming a few. Again, I need to really study transits. Unfortunately I don't know how to study progressions nor do I know how to properly throw a progression chart up. Smh. These 2 risings make sense and I only hope that one sticks out properly. After much study, I still may pay for chart rectification, maybe…

What do you think?

Here, I chose the time of 5:40AM after dancing placements around the chart (again) every couple of minutes.

posted December 19, 2014 03:22 AM            

Time and dates of events would be nice i.e

1st Marriage
Major moves
Career change-ups/downs
Death of significant people
Birth of significant someone
Emotional upheaveals.
Startng something important.
Ending something important(divorce).
Accidents
Chronic illnesses etc.

Also. I tend to start off with with the whole sign system and therafter get technical with the placement of the degree etc.

Finding the Mc/Ic sensitive axis points is important.The Asc is attached to that- even to the last degree.

So if you look at an ephemeris and realize that major things seem to happen-quite consistently- when a outer planet is in a certain degree,you may have found one of the sensitive axis points(Asc/Mc).

But also note that there can be pitfalls. Either the Natal T-square or natal Stelliums react with certain transit degree planets etc.

posted December 19, 2014 03:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Start off with known information.I don't rely on looks too much as many people often "look" like a certain Asc,then turn out to be a differing one.

Time and dates of events would be nice i.e

1st Marriage
Major moves
Career change-ups/downs
Death of significant people
Birth of significant someone
Emotional upheaveals.
Startng something important.
Ending something important(divorce).
Accidents
Chronic illnesses etc.

Also. I tend to start off with with the whole sign system and therafter get technical with the placement of the degree etc.

Finding the Mc/Ic sensitive axis points is important.The Asc is attached to that- even to the last degree.

So if you look at an ephemeris and realize that major things seem to happen-quite consistently- when a outer planet is in a certain degree,you may have found one of the sensitive axis points(Asc/Mc).

But also note that there can be pitfalls. Either the Natal T-square or natal Stelliums react with certain transit degree planets etc.

What are the 4 Ascendants that are "up for grabs"?

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Truly on it buddy! This process seemed daunting at first, but it's so intriguing and it's obvious I'm in for a ride seeing that I'm no seasoned astrologer by a long shot. Thank you for the guidance…homing in on the axis points REALLY helps; hadn't read about utilizing that…

4 ASC's

posted December 19, 2014 04:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Plutonian_Gal8:

Truly on it buddy! This process seemed daunting at first, but it's so intriguing and it's obvious I'm in for a ride seeing that I'm no seasoned astrologer by a long shot. Thank you for the guidance…homing in on the axis points REALLY helps; hadn't read about utilizing that…

Possible Asc;

Scorpio
Sagittarius (only to discern; I highly doubt this one)
Capricorn
Aquarius (loosely)

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This time is very opportune for you. Very opportune indeed.

Why do I say that? Well,the Sun and Saturn are arching towards different houses(if applying the whole sign system).

This is an excellent opportunity to study Saturn and note the changes in a certain life area.

Personally,I find Mars particularly telling. There is "new" thing to be angry about,particularly when its entered a new house.

Also, the day you found out that your birthtime could be incorrect could shed some clues.

Don't understate the "small" dramas that cause emotional upheavals i.e when you get really worked up about something or feel really down for no "apparent" reason.I note them too and use them for confirmation later.

posted December 19, 2014 06:22 AM            

I'll get back tonight.

posted December 19, 2014 09:55 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Thanks for that. i'm on my phone and will look closer at it tomorrow. but i really think you may have nailed it with the Saturn transits. Also some of the things you wrote that i said could be a Scorp ASC could also be 12th house Venus.

I'll get back tonight.

Personally I like trying rectifications as they have helped me learn a lot. Of course we can never be 100% sure we got it right.

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posted December 19, 2014 10:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
This time is very opportune for you. Very opportune indeed.

Why do I say that? Well,the Sun and Saturn are arching towards different houses(if applying the whole sign system).

This is an excellent opportunity to study Saturn and note the changes in a certain life area.

Personally,I find Mars particularly telling. There is "new" thing to be angry about,particularly when its entered a new house.

Also, the day you found out that your birthtime could be incorrect could shed some clues.

Don't understate the "small" dramas that cause emotional upheavals i.e when you get really worked up about something or feel really down for no "apparent" reason.I note them too and use them for confirmation later.

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Wow, it means a lot to get this kind of encouragement. Didn't want my analysis to be hogwash! I'm really taking this serious and enjoying it surprisingly. I have to admit, after many different posts on LL with my initial chart, I feel embarrassed a tad bit. But it is what it is lol The perplexity is wearing off!

Here's something else [hopefully it makes sense to you] When Capricorn season arises it's the happiest time of the year for me. Very much on cloud 9 for "no apparent reason" and ppl are drawn to me more this specific time of year than any other time. I have MANY good days. But once February comes, it's the hardest month of the year for me. I lie to you not, nothing has ever gone right in February in my entire life with the exception of my son' birth - even then I gave birth to him on an enemy's birthdate (I digress) smh

posted December 19, 2014 12:43 PM            

You sound a lot like me even though most of your planets are in different signs!

See this gets tough because Virgo 11th and Uranus in 11th can be similar. (As can other placement/cusps, of course). I just happen to have both.

The Venus in 12th sounds like me too.

And I've also had serious career issues and I don't know what career I want. And I have sun in the first except it's conj Nept to I think that adds to the problem.

However, my Saturn is in 7th. during the tSat opp nSat transit through H12/H1, I did transform physically. I lost a lot of weight (1H stuff) and my 14ish year relationship broke up (7H stuff). So, I'm still pulling for Saturn being a key in all this.

What about Mars as A23D asked?

Can you get Chiron in 5 while keeping Venus in 12, U in 11 and Sat in 10?

PS! Going back to read your posts with your relationships with Gem & Leo, don't discard Sag ASC just yet! Eeks, this is getting difficult!

posted December 19, 2014 06:42 PM            

Sorry about the dismantling of your personal relationship. I won't assume if it's a good or bad turn of events, but it's clearly a huge adjustment regardless. Interesting, we have similarities? Astrology is amazing. Multitudes of ways to draw parallels where we may not readily see unless we truly study! Soon, I have to see your chart

Ok…

Something I've taken notice to after reading your response. The past 2 weeks I've had an elation to focus on "12H stuff" and I promise I'm not jerking your chain. I ordered some natural/organic products from Bed Bath & Beyond because I suddenly wanted to make my home more like my personal oasis. I've researched candles, aromatherapy, color schemes for my bathroom etc. There has been a flick of the switch to beautify my home; my area of introspection and introversion. I just took a peak at this Capricorn Rising chart and I do see that pretty little T-Venus nestled in that 12H and on approach to conjuct my natal Venus. Another odd thing is I've considered writing an old school mate who is presently incarcerated just because I suddenly care to. Though I'm not sure I will, it is odd the thoughts have came to mind, at all.

Now you mentioned that Mars idea that the wise Aries23Degrees put out [which I meant to address, my brain is on overload of course] and Mars is supposedly nestled in the 1H right now. I honestly have felt this fiery attitude to exercise and map out every single thing to get busy at it! Like I said I do HATE to workout but I have that kick of enthusiasm to do it right now. I'm so body conscious and I'm repulsed looking in the mirror.

Ummm….BRB…

Continuing: Curious to know why you've suggested planting Chiron in 5H. Doesn't seem to fit me at all. Healing, growing from wounds here…I can't relate. Is there another reason that I'm not knowledgeable of?…

posted December 20, 2014 12:16 PM            

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Sorry about the dismantling of your personal relationship. I won't assume if it's a good or bad turn of events, but it's clearly a huge adjustment regardless. ****
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Yeah. It wasn't the best time.... Actually I'm still going through crap Saturn transits. But it's getting better! And I think it was for the best anyway.
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Interesting, we have similarities? Astrology is amazing. Multitudes of ways to draw parallels where we may not readily see unless we truly study! Soon, I have to see your chart
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It is. I love the coincidences! And then it just gives me revelations about people. Even just the focus on house stuff. We might have the same issues, who are we? confusion from the 1H sun. But we'll go about finding out or expessing who we are differently cuz you're an Aqua & I'm a Sag. Fun!
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Continuing: Curious to know why you've suggested planting Chiron in 5H. Doesn't seem to fit me at all. Healing, growing from wounds here…I can't relate. Is there another reason that I'm not knowledgeable of?…
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Just sticking with the similarities. I have Chiron in 5H and my father died when I was young (dead of parent when we were both young). Though I think that has to do with my Lilith in 10th. I can't really see he death anywhere else. And when I was a child I wasn't really very child like. I didn't play very much which is 5H stuff. I think I remember you wrote something about that? No? I didn't go back and look. But if you feel good with Chiron in 4H. I think we might be close. Stick to that for now... Here comes the difficult part!!! You need to go back to A23D & IQs posts and start learning about progressions! Gather your dates of important events. Don't just include marriage include when you met your husband and when you broke up. That is VERY clear in my transits. It freaks me out actually!
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And, you know the mentioning of the Gemini and Leo guys ---- I just remember reading somewhere that a lot of ppl tend to have their first marriage along the 5H avenue. That eventually, 7H and 11H characteristics become more pronounced in a 2nd marriage. Now, my ex husband was indeed a Gemini sun. But I knew I wasn't 100% in love and it was a rushed union [military] so it QUICKLY evaporated. With this Leo Sun, he's a much more watered down Leo. See, this one has 12H placements going on as well [Sun,Venus,Mercury] Because the average Leo Sun irks my nerves. The synastry is unique and we blend very well in private and in public. He's the exception to the rule lol
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Ok. Since you're totally rejecting the Sag ASC :P Let's leave the boys out of it for now.... My x was a Leo sun & I'm a Scorp ASC. He has the Taurus qualities (reliable, dependable, stable, stubborn!) but he had no Taurus placements. So, I'll let you reject Sag ASC. :P

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posted December 20, 2014 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Plutonian_Gal8:
My responses have disappeared? What is going on?!

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Dunno... Something weird, cuz I saw them and read them quickly and was just checking if there were more responses to this thread.

(Shrug)