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Topic: Do you think hard neptune aspects to either venus/mars is an aspect of a femme fatale
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Dreaminess
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From: norway
Registered: Aug 2014
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posted December 20, 2014 07:03 PM
  
Or a black widow? And if so, why do you think so? I have watched alot of episodes of dateline and sometimes i tend to check the charts of the murdered one and the murderer and i am esp curious of the aspects they have to either their moon, venus or mars. And i have checked a few females now from dateline that have done similar murderous acts on men esp, and have used the same seductive "style" to attract these men to them and often these women had a knack of getting men to spend/give money to them, one even made another guy that was in love with her kill the man she currently at that time was dating. And the similarities i have noticed between these females in their astrological chart is that they either have had a hard aspect from neptune to their venus or mars. IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted December 20, 2014 07:22 PM
Well, Neptune IS all about casting illusions. And sometimes illusions work to one's advantage if one wants to manipulate or hurt someone else. The acts of murder and revenge scream classic Pluto aspects gone wrong. So combine Neptune with Pluto and you've got a 'femme fatale'. Maybe a hard aspect from Neptune to Mars [illusive actions] combined with a hard aspect from Venus to Pluto, or reverse the two; and if Pluto doesn't touch any of the personal planets, maybe either of these planets could be in the 8th house. Obviously these are extreme cases of these configurations and you'd probably have to look to other aspects/placements as well to really see what has driven this person to this point... IP: Logged |
Dreaminess
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From: norway
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posted December 20, 2014 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Well, Neptune IS all about casting illusions. And sometimes illusions work to one's advantage if one wants to manipulate or hurt someone else. The acts of murder and revenge scream classic Pluto aspects gone wrong. So combine Neptune with Pluto and you've got a 'femme fatale'. Maybe a hard aspect from Neptune to Mars [illusive actions] combined with a hard aspect from Venus to Pluto, or reverse the two; and if Pluto doesn't touch any of the personal planets, maybe either of these planets could be in the 8th house. Obviously these are extreme cases of these configurations and you'd probably have to look to other aspects/placements as well to really see what has driven this person to this point...
I have noticed that hard neptune or pluto aspects are always involved, either of the murdered one or the one that does the killing. Often i have seen in the charts of murdered men that have been killed by their spouse or a lover have had a hard aspect from pluto to either their venus, moon and sometimes mars even. But these women that i have checked didnt do it for revenge they just did it to gain money even when a man was all nice to them they would still end up killing the poor guy.
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sweet-scorpion
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posted December 20, 2014 07:46 PM
People with hard aspects from Pluto to personal planets tend to either be violent or attract violent people into their lives. I know several people with these kinds of aspects and I have seen it happen in real life. I have known two people with a hard Moon-Pluto aspect and both men attracted psychotic women that destroyed their property and tried to hurt them physically. I don't have a hard aspect, but my Mars trines Pluto and I have also attracted violent people into my life, people with tempers. Pluto can be animalistic, obsessive, with an intensity that can either take you to your highest high or your lowest low, and that's the danger. So it's none too surprising that many of the victims had these Pluto aspects. They're tough. In a worst case scenario, they can bring about major problems. Pluto-Venus is the most obvious one, but both of the guys I knew who had psychotic girlfriends did not have either. Just Moon-Pluto, and one had Mars-Pluto. He, too, could be incredibly violent and was arrested several times. IP: Logged |
Dreaminess
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From: norway
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posted December 20, 2014 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
People with hard aspects from Pluto to personal planets tend to either be violent or attract violent people into their lives. I know several people with these kinds of aspects and I have seen it happen in real life. I have known two people with a hard Moon-Pluto aspect and both men attracted psychotic women that destroyed their property and tried to hurt them physically. I don't have a hard aspect, but my Mars trines Pluto and I have also attracted violent people into my life, people with tempers. Pluto can be animalistic, obsessive, with an intensity that can either take you to your highest high or your lowest low, and that's the danger. So it's none too surprising that many of the victims had these Pluto aspects. They're tough. In a worst case scenario, they can bring about major problems. Pluto-Venus is the most obvious one, but both of the guys I knew who had psychotic girlfriends did not have either. Just Moon-Pluto, and one had Mars-Pluto. He, too, could be incredibly violent and was arrested several times.
But why does pluto attract negative people like that? What "energy" does the plutonian influenced person give out that attracts people like that?
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babybull82
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posted December 20, 2014 09:10 PM
Well I don't know much about the murderous aspect of mars/venus square neptune but I am no stranger to the illusions the squares can create. I also have the square to my moon. I'm beginning to see why I attract the kind of men I do. I've started to call myself "the neptunian queen" queen of confusion, illusions & delusions lol. I def know how be alluring to men & get them to "desire" me. But as I get older that type of attention is hollow & meaningless to me. I'd assume a person in the sex industry would have a strong mars/neptune square because it's about selling a sexual fantasy. Interestingly I have mars in my second & neptune in my 4th & I end up in situations where the man is providing for me. It's not on purpose but it's just how the roles naturally fall. Like perhaps I give off this illusion that I can't take care of myself?? Idk. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted December 20, 2014 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
But why does pluto attract negative people like that? What "energy" does the plutonian influenced person give out that attracts people like that?
I have Venus square Neptune. That can cause you to chase people who are not good for you. Not necessarily violent, but just not good for you. Or they come to you!! Unavailable and etc. I have Pluto conjunction to asc which yes, is not Venus or mars. I was just checking it out today. Im not controlling but I don't like to feel controlled or feel that my freedom is infringed upon. I will fight to the death for it. Even if I don't care to have a certain freedom if I even sense that it could not be an option, I'll rebel. The thing about Pluto also is that it's loved or hated. Could even start as love and end up hatred or the other way. Usually not something that gives people an indifferent feeling. IP: Logged |
Comatoes
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posted December 21, 2014 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
But why does pluto attract negative people like that? What "energy" does the plutonian influenced person give out that attracts people like that?
I don't think it's wholly Pluto that attracts negative people. It's the whole chart, the soul of the person, and the energy of the chart. Kinda of like Law of Attraction. You can attract things to you that are on the same vibration of the energy you are giving off. If you are a negative person, hanging out with negative people, and feel negative about your life you can attract that energy to you. People can have such a profound effect on each other, so much so that it is life altering, we are very much like energy -- energy attracts and repel, mingles and disperses. Humans can feel the energy or vibes of other people and hone into that energy they need or want to explore more. Which is why some women like ruthless men, they gravitate to the energy, because it's energy they don't want to express, but need to do it covertly.
Pluto is attraction and compulsion, magnetism and disgust, power/predator and victim/prey...it truly is a polarity planet. Pluto never does middle ground, it wants it all or it will destroy and rebuild. Being a femme fatale is related to Pluto and Venus. I really don't see Neptune having the guts to be a femme fatale, not a good one anyways. But maybe I'm not seeing it correctly. I guess Neptune can give illusion, but Neptune has compassion and sensitivity. To be a femme fatale you have to be ruthless and goal driven. I think hard aspects from Neptune to Venus/Mars makes someone a dreamer, who attracts elusive people to them, people without goals, or people who are flighty and sensual.
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hannaramaa
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posted December 21, 2014 10:45 AM
Being a femme fatale is related to Pluto and Venus. I really don't see Neptune having the guts to be a femme fatale, not a good one anyways.I have to agree. I have Venus square Neptune, and Moon opposition Pluto. If Venus square Neptune has any kind of "power"...by all means, teach me how to channel it! IP: Logged |
callarosa
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posted December 22, 2014 04:13 AM
I think it's wiser to avoid using terms like "black widow" and "femme fatale" to describe human beings. Bad people treat others terribly, regardless of gender. We don't use twee nicknames to describe men who assault and murder women. Statistically speaking, men are much more likely to abuse and kill their intimate partners (StatsCan). 33% of all murdered women annually were murdered by an intimate partner, while only 4% of murdered males were murdered by an intimate partner (ABA). A whopping one in five women suffer abuse by an intimate partner (UN). So when are you doing charts about them? Or is male violence just so globally prolific and widely accepted that it's not worth doing charts for? http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85f0033m/2010024/part-partie1-eng.htm#h2_10
http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics.html
http://www.endvawnow.org/en/articles/299-fast-facts-statistics-on-viol ence-against-women-and-girls-.html
https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims
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sis
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posted December 22, 2014 11:02 AM
Mars conjunct Neptune, Venus square Pluto here^..+ moon opposite neptune, moon trine pluto, moon opposite mars + pluto squares asc, sun, mercury; sextiles mars & neptune Am I a femme fatale ? No, not really. I do have a sexual allure but in a very down to earth kind of way ( Venus Cap 1st hs oppsite saturn ).. Do I use sex as a weapon ? no. Do I have victims ? No. It terrifies me when someone I am not into is into me. Violence ? 3-4 times I found myself in dangerous situations where I was locked up and the mad men tried to force sex on me. But I was able to survive... And before I was not aware of this recently via astrology I have started thinking if I let my guys sexually abuse me a bit. I am still thinking.. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted December 22, 2014 12:00 PM
It's like...you need many different kinds of ingredients to make an explosive. I feel that Mars-Neptune can be one of those ingredients, but on its own has no specific force or power (maybe it's the inert paper casing on the dynamite in this analogy.)It can factor into crime because with Mars-Neptune, one has a cloudy perception of their own actions. But I think other aspects are needed to compel a person to want to commit a crime. I have the opposition...and like 99% of the people with this aspect, have never killed anyone and never would, except in a drastic case where I am defending someone (myself or others under attack.) IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted December 22, 2014 12:04 PM
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