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Topic: Chart Indicators for an Influential Person
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PisceanDream
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posted December 26, 2014 04:55 PM
 
I know someone who, while not very self-assertive, has a tremendous influence on people, life-changing influence... The kind that would forever mark people's lives and change their destiny. When this person plants an idea in someone's head, people immediately assume and expand on that idea as though it were their own and even if they do not acknowledge it as their own, they begin to take the idea very seriously with an intention to act upon it.This person has actually changed people, or influenced them to change. Has inspired so many people and even pushed them to take risks and make decisions they would have never made without that person's input. This person always undermines their influence and power, but (even in some roundabout way sometimes) discovers through the people they have influenced just how much impact they've had. This person is often shocked about the critical and influential role they've played in the lives of others. Without disclosing astrological information of this person's chart, I'm curious to know what in the chart would generally indicate someone who is persuasive, influential in a life-changing, karmic way, and is often the emotional and mental force behind people's decisions? Many, many thanks in advance!  IP: Logged |
lisalisa
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posted December 26, 2014 05:47 PM
I think plutonian influencesIP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
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posted December 26, 2014 05:47 PM
Hmm.. I'd say for certain someone with a pretty strong sun. Since the sun is the "mac daddy", the influencer, the planet that is the center of all. Without him we'd be incomplete so a pretty prominent, strong sun imo makes sense. Are you meaning change in a good way, to better oneself being an example? Influential people can go in many different directions. Hitler had an incredible influence on many people, both good and bad. IP: Logged |
PisceanDream
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posted December 26, 2014 05:56 PM
Hello, any specific Pluto aspects in mind?And mostly positive influence... Also, any specific aspects to the Sun?
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Koho
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posted December 26, 2014 08:49 PM
I heard NN in the 10th, 11th, and 12th puts people onto paths of influence IP: Logged |
SirHorns
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posted December 26, 2014 11:36 PM
I`d guess aspects with Jupiter, Uranus and/or Pluto.
Jupiter does inspire.
Uranus awakens.
Pluto instigates evolutionary change.
So those planets angular would most likely have a strong effect on others.Aspect wise? Sun/Jupiter, Sun/Uranus, Jupiter/Venus, Jupiter/Mars, Mercury/Uranus, Moon/Jupiter, Moon/Mars, Mars/Jupiter or any of those three planets mentioned above in or aspecting the asc. ------------------
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theunknown
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posted December 27, 2014 01:19 AM
Pluto, especially in 7th and neptune. Pluto aspects to moon or scorpio moon/unfluences
Uranus influence can be liberating
Probably some saturn influence Overall, if this person is older, I expect grand cross or some harsh aspects like t-squares IP: Logged |
florence
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posted December 27, 2014 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
Pluto, especially in 7th and neptune. Pluto aspects to moon or scorpio moon/unfluences
Uranus influence can be liberating
Probably some saturn influence Overall, if this person is older, I expect grand cross or some harsh aspects like t-squares
I find I often agree with you. Only thinking Jupiter as well might be in there. Are you thinking squares because the person will get hit by transits from all sides and so fine tune and almost transcend that? Or is that just me I think I've encountered types like the op described and it's as if, to me, they have transcended the chart and in doing so this kind of complete energy triggers and facilitates others energy working towards that too. I can't remember too well the nature of asteroid Pholus but that also occurred to me as a kind of trigger in others IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted December 27, 2014 10:53 AM
quote:
Originally posted by SirHorns:
I`d guess aspects with Jupiter, Uranus and/or Pluto.
Jupiter does inspire.
Uranus awakens.
Pluto instigates evolutionary change.
So those planets angular would most likely have a strong effect on others.Aspect wise? Sun/Jupiter, Sun/Uranus, Jupiter/Venus, Jupiter/Mars, Mercury/Uranus, Moon/Jupiter, Moon/Mars, Mars/Jupiter or any of those three planets mentioned above in or aspecting the asc.
Sooooo... Me?
I have 6 of those plus Uranus trine Moon.
I'm kidding actually but you know, my mom listens to me and she's not only my mom but Aries sun/Moon/Mercury! That's saying something. IP: Logged |
7ate9
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posted December 27, 2014 11:23 AM
The first post blew my mind. I feel like i know this person.IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted December 27, 2014 03:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by lisalisa:
I think plutonian influences
agree, probably pluto mercury.. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted December 27, 2014 04:47 PM
Sounds like you are describing yourself PD? I think of you that way. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted December 27, 2014 04:50 PM
Here's one. I've read so many biographies and seen so many documentaries about people who knew this person and said that he was life-changing not for his status but because of the depth of his love for people.Sorry to be so repetitive about this but it does ring true here: Elvis' Chart *I think 11H Jupiter in Scorpio is a huge part of it...deeply touching the masses.
*Sun-Jupiter-Neptune minor triangle.
*Venus conjunct NN
*Pisces moon
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theunknown
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posted December 27, 2014 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by florence:
I find I often agree with you. Only thinking Jupiter as well might be in there.Are you thinking squares because the person will get hit by transits from all sides and so fine tune and almost transcend that? Or is that just me I think I've encountered types like the op described and it's as if, to me, they have transcended the chart and in doing so this kind of complete energy triggers and facilitates others energy working towards that too. I can't remember too well the nature of asteroid Pholus but that also occurred to me as a kind of trigger in others
Ahhh, it's nice that you agree with me. What's your placements lol?Reading OP post made me think of Benjamin Zander. He's a famous orchestra conducted and speaker. Quite spicy I may add.
I looked up his chart and there lies the grand cross. That said, not every grand cross will do.
An inspiring, button-pushing, inspiring teacher often already breaks rules him/herself. So too much saturn would not do, although some saturn is needed for anyone successful. Concentrated energy like stellium would be too single minded, even if the stellium is in scorpio or 8th. There must be some harsh pluto aspects like squares and opposition for one to put one to be thwarted violently or painfully. All inspirational teachers have to experience pains and I wyspects the harsh aspects (external) would manifest better than the conjunction.
Of course the person after being an intolerant tyrant must transform his chart. Benjamin Zander didn't become inspiring until his 50s. But I personally think the water influences are more fit for someone to go back and teach. Hence neptune/Piscean energy over sag.
I unfortunately haven't met truly inspiring saggitarius teachers because Sags typically believe they hold the truth. They need conclusions and wouldn't favor the more psychological approach that's apt for motivating individuals.
Uranus aspects or Aqua venuses often make really warm professors or teachers. But of course, one wouldn't expect too much uranian influences or else the person wouldn't stand the routines of teaching. Also OP said the person isn't too assertive and uranus is very opinionated. The similar reasoning applies for pluto.
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SirHorns
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posted December 27, 2014 05:49 PM
Could have venus and neptune mellowing out/hiding the harder edges of their personality.Both could also have mass appeal.
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PisceanDream
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posted December 27, 2014 06:26 PM
Hmm, very interesting responses all of you. I am so deep in thought about all of your contributions that I am a bit lost for words at the moment. I'll think and get back to this. Feel free to flesh out some more. So this person... He's assertive on the behalf of others but not himself, if that makes sense. He seems devoted to motivating, lifting, and influencing others but is quite a mess himself. Faith, me?? You see me that way? That's awesome! Wow, thank you... Elvis Presley! What a choice! You also picked out very interesting and telling placements and aspects. Venus and NN, wonderful! Truly! What about any work on the MC/10th house? I'm definitely on board with Jupiter, Pluto, Saturn, Uranus... If you can create a hypothetical chart of someone you would see embodying the description I posted, what would it look like? Sorry for how poorly structured this post is... Just lots of thoughts. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted December 27, 2014 07:30 PM
Pluto- deep influential life changing events, life and death rebirths created from these events, things you learn and what you go through changes who you are on the deepest levels....this on an angle esp AC (as it's how you are seen) could have this effect.
Adding to Pluto having Jupiter aspect would expand Pluto's affect and if Jupitee is in opposition to Pluto in the 7th it would make relationships a channel for Pluto/Jupiter energy...add a Neptune aspecting both abd you have divine inspiration or complete delusions of grandure. LolIP: Logged |
SirHorns
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posted December 27, 2014 08:04 PM
Hmm.
Rising: Cancer/Libra/Sag or Pisces.
Venus, Moon and/or Neptune in 1st house or 10th.
Jupiter, Mars and Uranus in 10th.
Pluto in 1st or 7th house.That comes to mind.
Maybe lots of fixed signs in aspect to cause powerful tension in the native while making them magnetic. ------------------
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florence
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posted December 27, 2014 09:03 PM
Ahhh, it's nice that you agree with me. What's your placements lol?Reading OP post made me think of Benjamin Zander. He's a famous orchestra conducted and speaker. Quite spicy I may add.
I looked up his chart and there lies the grand cross. That said, not every grand cross will do.
An inspiring, button-pushing, inspiring teacher often already breaks rules him/herself. So too much saturn would not do, although some saturn is needed for anyone successful. Concentrated energy like stellium would be too single minded, even if the stellium is in scorpio or 8th. There must be some harsh pluto aspects like squares and opposition for one to put one to be thwarted violently or painfully. All inspirational teachers have to experience pains and I wyspects the harsh aspects (external) would manifest better than the conjunction.
Of course the person after being an intolerant tyrant must transform his chart. Benjamin Zander didn't become inspiring until his 50s. But I personally think the water influences are more fit for someone to go back and teach. Hence neptune/Piscean energy over sag.
I unfortunately haven't met truly inspiring saggitarius teachers because Sags typically believe they hold the truth. They need conclusions and wouldn't favor the more psychological approach that's apt for motivating individuals.
Uranus aspects or Aqua venuses often make really warm professors or teachers. But of course, one wouldn't expect too much uranian influences or else the person wouldn't stand the routines of teaching. Also OP said the person isn't too assertive and uranus is very opinionated. The similar reasoning applies for pluto.[/B][/QUOTE] My placements: sun Taurus, moon sag, merc Aries, Venus Taurus, Mars Leo, Saturn Leo, Jupiter cancer, Uranus Scorpio, Pluto libra. Scorpio asc. Does anything explain that? It's possibly the style you write in but I just noticed seemed to be echoing your posts. I did think of pain too so I was going to mention Chiron on personal planets but to avoid listing every planet... But the person I'm thinking of has moon conj Chiron opp Pluto with Jupiter as the apex of a t-square. Sun opp Neptune. Hmm so no transcending of charts lol. Thanks for explaining more about that - harsh aspects and water does feel right to me. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted December 27, 2014 10:55 PM
@florence: I'm taurus asc, Aqua sun, aries moon. I do love Taurus. I watch a vid recently with a taurus ASC astrologer so I understand the methodological manner is speaking  I agreed about the transcending chart part, just not every chart lol IP: Logged |
rebelqueen
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posted December 28, 2014 06:17 AM
quote:
Originally posted by SirHorns:
I`d guess aspects with Jupiter, Uranus and/or Pluto.
Jupiter does inspire.
Uranus awakens.
Pluto instigates evolutionary change.
So those planets angular would most likely have a strong effect on others.Aspect wise? Sun/Jupiter, Sun/Uranus, Jupiter/Venus, Jupiter/Mars, Mercury/Uranus, Moon/Jupiter, Moon/Mars, Mars/Jupiter or any of those three planets mentioned above in or aspecting the asc.
I sent my closest friend this topic and she agreed that I'm an influential person too
From the aspects you have listed, I have Sun trine Jupiter, Sun square Uranus, Jupiter trine Venus, Jupiter opposite Mars and Mercury sextile Uranus.I have a 11th house stellium with Pluto in it. My Neptune is in the 1st house, however I don't think Uranus is doing much - it's in my 2nd house. I also have a 7th house Moon, 10th house Sun, Mars in 9th house. NN in Leo, Scorpio Sun, Gemini Moon, Sag Mercury, Sag Rising. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted December 28, 2014 08:00 AM
PisceanDream, How is this person "quite a mess"?? IP: Logged |
PisceanDream
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posted December 28, 2014 08:09 AM
VenusDiSirius, so the influence he has on others he doesn't have at all on himself. He is not very motivated, pretty aimless and directionless, doesn't know where he's going in life and often finds himself living on the margin. Is extremely uplifting and motivational but self-deprecating by the same token, is extremely powerful but not self-assertive, influences great changes in people's lives but is living rather mundanely. He is just altogether lost despite his ability to help people find themselves. Very strange. He often flinches at how much influence he has on people, as it comes back to confront him in the most mysterious of ways. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted December 28, 2014 09:34 AM
^^^^now that sounds like just neptune and some pluto then....IP: Logged |
florence
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posted December 28, 2014 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
@florence: I'm taurus asc, Aqua sun, aries moon. I do love Taurus. I watch a vid recently with a taurus ASC astrologer so I understand the methodological manner is speaking I agreed about the transcending chart part, just not every chart lol
Maybe moon & mercury, asc & sun then I do have prominent Uranus too so tend to like squa's take on things. IP: Logged |
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