posted January 05, 2015 09:07 AM              

In both cases, the men had Sagittarius moons and hard aspects between Mars and Pluto (one was a square; the other a conjunction).

posted January 05, 2015 09:51 AM            

Very sorry to hear that this relationship turned abusive (was he the Cap sun?) but I'm glad you are out of it.

posted January 05, 2015 10:08 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hello Aquacheeka! Nice to see you again.

Very sorry to hear that this relationship turned abusive (was he the Cap sun?) but I'm glad you are out of it.

Having a Pisces moon can set you up for it, I think? I know, for myself, I've tried to see the other person's point of view...stuck around trying to "fix" them with my empathy...when I should have just taken a hike.

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Hi Faith,

Yes, sadly it was. And that's basically what happened to me. The first time he was physically abusive towards me I should have left, but he was remorseful and I was his only friend, I felt sorry for him and I forgave him. Then, he became increasingly verbally abusive and this just escalated with time. My Saturn Return started on Christmas Eve; on NYE, he put his hands on me in public and I finally found the courage to ask him to move out. Now I am back at square one wondering how and why I keep attracting men with latent anger issues.

I suspect my Mars and Pluto in the fourth house may be to blame. I did have an abusive childhood just as both of my malefics in the childhood house would suggest.

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posted January 05, 2015 10:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
My Saturn Return started on Christmas Eve

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Best wishes with that. I think you are off to a good start.

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I suspect my Mars and Pluto in the fourth house may be to blame. I did have an abusive childhood just as both of my malefics in the childhood house would suggest.

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So sad. How do you think 4H Mars-Pluto could play out positively in the future? Domestic ambitions? (no I don't see that as an oxymoron. Look at Martha Stewart.)

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Going forward, I will definitely steer clesf of men with this aspect... I may also try and avoid men with their moon sign squaring my own.

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posted January 05, 2015 11:00 AM              

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think the 4th House could play out that you help other people who are going through what you did. Where is your Chiron? What does it aspect? What does the Ruler of Virgo's House do to your Chiron. I think Chiron rules Virgo, myself. I could be wrong, of course, but it fits for me.

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posted January 05, 2015 12:30 PM              

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
I was told that those with North Node in 7th house with Mars also in the 7th house is either going to have a abusive partner or they themselves would be abusive

But what about Mars square?
How would that play out?
Would anyone know?

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Whoa... that amount of karma is more than I can even imagine or think I could handle. My ex had the square and he really struggled with it... you could tell he was perpetually trying to hold down his rage.

posted January 06, 2015 06:23 AM              

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Whoa... that amount of karma is more than I can even imagine or think I could handle. My ex had the square and he really struggled with it... you could tell he was perpetually trying to hold down his rage.

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posted January 06, 2015 06:34 AM              

For instance, if your Dejanaira is in hard aspect (Conjunct, Square, Opposite) to aggressive planets like Mars, Pluto, North Node and so on... it can get quiet dark...

Many astrologers seem to agree on this one
In my case, asteroid Dejanaira is pretty scary accurate.
I have vertex conjunct Dejanaira in 5th house... so all the relationships or dates I've been in, the partners always had dark past of either abusive relationship or rape

It turns out that it's my karmic debt to heal them or help them.. according to astrology

posted January 06, 2015 08:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
It turns out that it's my karmic debt to heal them or help them.. according to astrology

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So how do you do that, in your particular understanding of astrology? (Which I've never heard of and the google search didn't make me think it's "standard astrology" either.)

What's interesting to me is that this implies that they are not bound by their chart because they can be helped or healed...which begs the question of how they became "sickened" in the first place. The most likely explanation to me would be simple bad chance, but then I believe karma is blind and that it is not a just universe, at least not by human standards.

posted January 06, 2015 09:35 PM              

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
So how do you do that, in your particular understanding of astrology? (Which I've never heard of and the google search didn't make me think it's "standard astrology" either.)

What's interesting to me is that this implies that they are not bound by their chart because they can be helped or healed...which begs the question of how they became "sickened" in the first place. The most likely explanation to me would be simple bad chance, but then I believe karma is blind and that it is not a just universe, at least not by human standards.

It also implies that since they can be "cured" of their astrological affliction then so can you (or it begs--very hard--why they can be healed of their "karma" but you can't). Perhaps it means that someone is karmically indebted to save you? Or if you can save them then they are to teach you how to save yourself?

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As for being "sickened" in the first place, I think pluto serves a significant role. But Pluto also implies transformation in to better so there is good out of this

In my case, I came to this understanding by connecting the dots of major placements and what my challenges imply. For instance ->

Dejanaira (victim) conjunct Vertex (I draw to me) = I draw victims to me. I constantly draw victims in romance (5th house)

Saturn in Capricorn 6th house (my dominant planet)
Due to discipline and order, I develop talent of hard work and learning to serve others or appreciate subordinates without criticism (I tend to criticize people who don't work hard enough or well enough. I've always had issues with co-workers lmao)

Pluto in 4th house - Emotional sex change:
Man becomes feminine and women becomes masculine with this placement
In my case, I am hella masculine looking... my bone structures are thick and all, but I tend to nurture, care and so on... I also do a lot of nagging lol
In all my relationships, roles were reversed.
I always served the feminine role. both positive and negative
Currently, I am the one who cooks in the relationship ahaha

North node in Aquarius 7th house
I must learn to develop partnerships. I must learn to be less bossy and learn to appreciate partnerships, despite how weird or insufficient(?) people seem to me.

Or as vedic astrology would say... Rahu in 7th house:
I was an ******* in my past life. I had all the goods and people to serve me, now its my turn to serve

Retrograde Jupiter in cancer 12th house
Apparently, by far the strongest placement I have. I must learn to share my spirituality with others(?)

My challenges
Moon in Aries 9th house
Impatience, jumping to conclusions

Mercury in Sagittarius
My way of communication... often unappreciated by many

So rather than jumping to conclusions and showing impatience.. I must learn to care and serve others, by paying great amount of attention to the process.

and as you have suggested.. it is my understanding that astrology sincerely respects free will of the individuals

So I guess they suggest that anyone can be healed and so on, but in my case, I came to conclusion that the fastest way for me to get to that healing is... by overcoming the challenges that my major placements imply

"Perhaps it means that someone is karmically indebted to save you? Or if you can save them then they are to teach you how to save yourself?"

posted January 06, 2015 10:49 PM            

Thanks, I believe I understand where you're coming from better.

posted January 07, 2015 03:30 AM            

He's also got Pluto square Venus, Jupiter in the 8th, Mars square AC.

posted January 07, 2015 04:43 AM              

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
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Thanks, I believe I understand where you're coming from better.

Though cooking isn't strictly feminine...just ask the chefs that seem popular on reality TV. Heck, I've yet to meet a woman as sensitive about her cooking as some men...granted, I come from the South where people take their cooking serious (and men are more into BBQ and grills, I personally didn't get into that myself for fear of men beating their chests at me if I did ) but one Californian chef made something for the rest of us at the flop house we (including him) were staying at and he had a nuclear meltdown when I put some ketchup on the fries he made since he felt like I said his fries were less than perfect (which made me realize why he couldn't keep a job as a chef).

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Oh I am so sorry... there goes my mercury in Sagittarius again.. gahhh
By femininity, I meant qualities that are "known" or "referred" to as feminine.
For example... mother like qualities.
I did not mean to sound sexist or anywhere near that..

posted January 07, 2015 04:45 AM              

I also have Mars conjunct Pluto in Scorpio 4th house